5A State Championship: #4 Decatur Central (10-2) vs. #10 Warsaw (10-3)

[Coach Nowlin]

8 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I get it there can be more of a number gap but it really isn't that bad. I think this will make all the classes a lot more competitive in my personal opinion. 

The ONLY  reason IHSAA/IFCA created the 6a class was the enrollment gap from top to bottom.  

[FastpacedO]

10 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

The ONLY  reason IHSAA/IFCA created the 6a class was the enrollment gap from top to bottom.  

I know and it is still 3,059 between Carmel and Jeffersonville 3,092 if you toss Valpo and Warsaw back into 6A.

That is triple what the 5A I propose being at about 1,000

Stop peeing on my parade Coach!! Nothing but love my guy.

Edited December 3, 2024 by FastpacedO

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Boilernation said:

Hey, stop dragging me into this never ending impossible to prove any side correct type of subjective argument, lol. I will say I was in the stands while Zionsville beat Franklin Central. I don't believe for a second the defense I saw that night could have stopped Crown Point's OL and Run game. Zionsville had 191 yards rushing that night with a smaller OL than Crown Point and a Junior RB (Manna) who is not as good as Ellison. I also saw nothing from FC's offense to make me think Crown Point's DL and LB'ers would have struggled with them. 

It is what it is. Westfield's lines dominated Crown Point in crappy weather and the MOV will forever be used as definitie proof that subjective opinions are correct.

Then stop posting things that make too much sense. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

But until northern 5A teams give me a reason to watch and are actually competitive at the state finals

Huh? I think you forgot about Snider's four touchdown win over DC last year. Warsaw being within a touchdown halfway into the fourth quarter isn't competitive? That's two years running. Geeeesh. 

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

Huh? I think you forgot about Snider's four touchdown win over DC last year. Warsaw being within a touchdown halfway into the fourth quarter isn't competitive? That's two years running. Geeeesh. 

Snider is the exception, not the rule.

My bad.  I am probably unfairly lumping 5A and 6A together.

[BTF]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Snider is the exception, not the rule.

My bad.  I am probably unfairly lumping 5A and 6A together.

My only qualm with the 5A debate is that it was never brought up when Cathedral was accumulating trophies. Is the overall perception that a class must be weak if a northern team wins it? This isn't directed at you, just a general question. Does anyone really consider East Central Decatur Central as pathetic as @Lysander makes them out to be? I happen to think those are two pretty damn good programs. But that's just me, maybe one of my "off the mark" observations. 

[temptation]

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

My only qualm with the 5A debate is that it was never brought up when Cathedral was accumulating trophies. Is the overall perception that a class must be weak if a northern team wins it? This isn't directed at you, just a general question. Does anyone really consider East Central Decatur Central as pathetic as @Lysander makes them out to be? I happen to think those are two pretty damn good programs. But that's just me, maybe one of my "off the mark" observations. 

You were pretty down on Decatur Central most of the year weren’t you?

They seem to have some real mojo over Plainfield I tell ya.  I keep expecting Plainfield to take than next step but DC (8-2 in their last 10 matchups) seems to have their number.

Plainfield is 15-6 over the last two years…3 of the 6 are to DC.

 

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

What love do I have?  It's simply pointing to history.  Do I see 5A/6A south teams more often?  Sure.  But until northern 5A and 6A teams give me a reason to watch and are actually competitive at the state finals, I will continue to focus most of my attention and time to those teams.  I did catch a couple of Crown Point's games after they started hot but their lackluster performance in the semi-state will make me more hesitant to do so next year.

Not much below the 3A level interests me much.  I did watch the Evansville Memorial/Heritage Hills game a few weeks back but other than that, its kinda boring.

For the hundreth time, I have no allegiance to any team nor program.

I will give you 6A South teams, but now you are including 5A South teams as being dominant as well? Come on!!!

[Komets2727]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

You were pretty down on Decatur Central most of the year weren’t you?

They seem to have some real mojo over Plainfield I tell ya.  I keep expecting Plainfield to take than next step but DC (8-2 in their last 10 matchups) seems to have their number.

Plainfield is 15-6 over the last two years…3 of the 6 are to DC.

 

I am the one who was down on DC and I will take that hit, not BTF. 

[BTF]

27 minutes ago, temptation said:

You were pretty down on Decatur Central most of the year weren’t you?

They seem to have some real mojo over Plainfield I tell ya.  I keep expecting Plainfield to take than next step but DC (8-2 in their last 10 matchups) seems to have their number.

Plainfield is 15-6 over the last two years…3 of the 6 are to DC.

 

You opened my eyes to Decatur Central last year when you were touting them. After the 5A title game last year, I made an early prediction that Decatur Central would meet Merrillville in the state title game.............hoping one of those deserving programs would win it. Starting out 1-2 this season dimmed my view of Decatur Central, but I knew they still had something in the tank. I knew they were young last season as the runner-up. Also, I didn't realize how good Columbus North and Martinsville were at the time. At the end of the day, my feelings aren't hurt to see them crowned champions..........even at the expense of the North. They're a pretty damn good team. Loved seeing Warsaw get there too. 

[temptation]

30 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I will give you 6A South teams, but now you are including 5A South teams as being dominant as well? Come on!!!

Yeah, I screwed up.

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

You opened my eyes to Decatur Central last year when you were touting them. After the 5A title game last year, I made an early prediction that Decatur Central would meet Merrillville in the state title game.............hoping one of those deserving programs would win it. Starting out 1-2 this season dimmed my view of Decatur Central, but I knew they still had something in the tank. I knew they were young last season as the runner-up. Also, I didn't realize how good Columbus North and Martinsville were at the time. At the end of the day, my feelings aren't hurt to see them crowned champions..........even at the expense of the North. They're a pretty damn good team. Loved seeing Warsaw get there too. 

Well, I had Plainfield as my 5A pick this year and they got obliterated by Decatur Central on their home field in the sectional championship.

By far my worst prediction.

Edited December 3, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

26 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yeah, I screwed up.

Well, I had Plainfield as my 5A pick this year and they got obliterated by Decatur Central on their home field in the sectional championship.

By far my worst prediction.

I feel like you've been touting Plainfield for the past couple of seasons. Or was that Whiteland? 

[temptation]

54 minutes ago, BTF said:

I feel like you've been touting Plainfield for the past couple of seasons. Or was that Whiteland? 

Whiteland.  

[Rodney]

7 hours ago, BTF said:

You're a pretty reasonable guy. It's been implied by other posters, clowns if you will. I do sometimes hate your posts though. You always bring facts into the equation to debate me.........makes my brain work a bit harder to come up with a rebuttle. I say that all in good fun.

I also owe you an apology. I made some accusations about you a couple of months ago that I don't believe to be as valid as I once thought. I think I was confusing you with another poster. 

Are you finally going to tell us who your preference is? I still think it's Indy. We all know I'm NE Indiana, @temptation is all in on Indy, and @Rodney, well he's all over the map. He's gone from Dwenger, to Merrillville, to South Gibson. 

next year is finally gibson southern's year, now that HH will be in 4A where they belong. 

just can't possibly expect them to compete with other schools the exact same size as them.

[Rodney]

6 hours ago, Lysander said:

Nothing says more about the irrelevancy of 5A than the fact the fact that the 5th-7th team in 4A (Martinsville) beat the 5A State Champion team.

Not to be overtly political, and I know this might well piss off several friends of mine here, but the simple existence of 5A is literally the DEI of Indiana HS Football.   

Its an embarrassing class.  

Sorry....an "also ran" award for teams that couldn't win 4A or 6A (Snider excepted).

5a looking better next year

[Titan32]

4 minutes ago, Rodney said:

next year is finally gibson southern's year, now that HH will be in 4A where they belong. 

just can't possibly expect them to compete with other schools the exact same size as them.

What does this have to do with 5A?  One thing we know...Merriville won't make the dance.

With regard to your ignorance showing again, Wilkerson and Hart started coaching the same year (2012), in that time GS and HH have played 20 times.  GS leads the series 12-8 and won a 3A state championship in 2021.

Oh and in case you have forgotten:

In that same period the only program in any class that has won more games than Gibson Southern is NewPal.

[Rodney]

1 minute ago, Titan32 said:

What does this have to do with 5A?  One thing we know...Merriville won't make the dance.

With regard to your ignorance showing again, Wilkerson and Hart started coaching the same year (2012), in that time GS and HH have played 20 times.  GS leads the series 12-8 and won a 3A state championship in 2021.

Oh and in case you have forgotten:

In that same period the only program in any class that has won more games than Gibson Southern is NewPal.

you leave my pirates that I am definitely a fan of and know a lot about alone


I've never seen a merriville fan cry about having to play teams their size.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Rodney

[Titan32]

16 minutes ago, Rodney said:

you leave my pirates that I am definitely a fan of and know a lot about alone


I've never seen a merriville fan cry about having to play teams their size.

I've never seen a GS fan complain about playing any team.

If you are referring to the fact that I continually beat the drum on this forum that P/Ps are not equal based on enrollment alone, I will proudly own that (and most of them, at least the ones that don't breathe through their mouths, will admit it here as well).  

[Rodney]

waaa we can't win a championship unless all of the competition gets moved up to 4a first

[BTF]

36 minutes ago, Rodney said:

you leave my pirates that I am definitely a fan of and know a lot about alone


I've never seen a merriville fan cry about having to play teams their size.

You really need to post more. 

[Rodney]

21 minutes ago, BTF said:

You really need to post more. 

Its a fine line I tread, If i showered you guys with all my ideas I probably wouldn't last long

[gonzoron]

4 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Its a fine line I tread, If i showered you guys with all my ideas I probably wouldn't last long

Nah, you're good. We don't read your stuff anyway.

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Nah, you're good. We don't read your stuff anyway.

Speak for yourself. Rodney has the best content on this forum. 

[Rodney]

1 minute ago, BTF said:

Speak for yourself. Rodney has the best content on this forum. 

he doesn't hang out in the big boy threads

[FastpacedO]

11 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I've never seen a GS fan complain about playing any team.

I will 100% agree on this statement. The IHSAA on the other hand did complain when the 2015 Gibson Southern at Chatard was scheduled to be played on the Field of Champions! The IHSAA complained so much that the game was moved to Lawrence North forcing @Lysander to leave his lawn chair in the storage on the roof of Compton Court Apartments. What a glorious sight it would have been to see Lysander peering over Compton St and the visiting Gibson Southern fans in a driving snow storm to watch the Trojans and Titans square off in what became an epic 29-20 battle!

 

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by FastpacedO