Cathedral vs. Whiteland - Regional Championship

[PHJIrish]

Well, it's about time to get the old team bus warmed up and go get the gang.  I guess we'll find out about what's been tossed around in a a few hours.

Dress warm if you're lucky enough to have tickets.  See you after the game.

[Footballking16]

14 hours ago, DT said:

I'm going with Whiteland 38-35 in the upset of the year

 

Cathedral giving up 38 would honestly be a bigger shock than them losing.

[Coach Nowlin]

you know it is a big game when I shut down an attempt from a Cathedral student trying to create an account posing as an Whiteland fan......   Never Fails ..... 

[Bears62]

Cathedral lookin strong early. Whiteland does look like they have some solid size on defense

[Olympian06]

Anybody with half a brain knew this game was going to be a blowout. 

[Footballking16]

Terrible match-up for Whiteland. One dimensional with no vertical passing game is a recipe for disaster. Fly sweep offense plays right into Cathedral’s defensive scheme.

[CaptainHook]

On 11/8/2020 at 5:02 PM, DT said:

This one could be setting up as the colossal upset of the season, maybe the decade.  

If ever a team could sneak up on Cathedral, it would be Whiteland.  They are solid in every aspect of the game.  Big and strong.  Very athletic

They will be sky high after pounding New Pal   Darrin Fisher's teams do not get intimidated.  They will meet Cathedral head on and goe toe to toe

 

welp, like I said, kiss of death...lol

[CaptainHook]

19 hours ago, DT said:

I'm going with Whiteland 38-35 in the upset of the year

 

so wrong all the time

[cbc34]

9 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Terrible match-up for Whiteland. One dimensional with no vertical passing game is a recipe for disaster. Fly sweep offense plays right into Cathedral’s defensive scheme.

Can you explain? Seems Whiteland had success running the ball against some good teams this year. What does Cathedral do differently? Or is it simply a “Jimmy’s and Joes” thing?

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, cbc34 said:

Can you explain? Seems Whiteland had success running the ball against some good teams this year. What does Cathedral do differently? Or is it simply a “Jimmy’s and Joes” thing?

Obviously Cathedral is more talented than Whiteland, but Cathedral’s 3-3 stack is all gap assignment football and just begs for teams to run east-west. If you’re going to challenge Cathedral, you have to run right at them, not around them.

[CaptainHook]

2 hours ago, cbc34 said:

Can you explain? Seems Whiteland had success running the ball against some good teams this year. What does Cathedral do differently? Or is it simply a “Jimmy’s and Joes” thing?

Whiteland's offense can only take you so far.  If you have the dudes, you can shut them down.  Especially when they are so limited in the passing game.  New Palestine was able to do it last year.  Cathedral this year.  Play solid assignment football, read your keys, make tackles.

[Dave007]

Three passing attempts, and one was intercepted.   

 

[PHJIrish]

Good effort from the Irish last night, on both sides of the ball.  Also the weather was not that bad with no wind.  You just have to dress properly for a night like last night.

Now it's on to Castle.

[Guest DT]

39 minutes ago, CaptainHook said:

Whiteland's offense can only take you so far.  If you have the dudes, you can shut them down.  Especially when they are so limited in the passing game.  New Palestine was able to do it last year.  Cathedral this year.  Play solid assignment football, read your keys, make tackles.

Cathedral is a 6A program.  Hopefully Peebles will recognize that and push his admin to petition the IHSAA for a permanent promotion to the top classification.  

[Footballking16]

11 minutes ago, DT said:

Cathedral is a 6A program.  Hopefully Peebles will recognize that and push his admin to petition the IHSAA for a permanent promotion to the top classification.  

That was quick. Any thoughts on the game?

[Guest DT]

22 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

That was quick. Any thoughts on the game?

I didint see the game, but clearly Whitelands inability to throw the ball kiiled any chances for a comeback.  Whiteland is in a small group of schools that can claim that they are the best 5A public school in the state, along with DC, ZV and VALPO.  Cathedrals walkover in this contest clearly proves the point that the school is not giving its kids the opportunity to play at the highest level in state.  

[CaptainHook]

38 minutes ago, DT said:

Cathedral is a 6A program.  Hopefully Peebles will recognize that and push his admin to petition the IHSAA for a permanent promotion to the top classification.  

Seriously?  Two years ago they were willing to move down to 4A until the IHSAA revised the points in the Tournament Success Factor.  They aren't petitioning anyone.

[Footballking16]

1 minute ago, DT said:

I didint see the game, but clearly Whitelands inability to throw the ball kiiled any chances for a comeback.  Whiteland is in a small group of schools that can claim that they are the best 5A public school in the state, along with DC, ZV and VALPO.  Cathedrals walkover in this contest clearly proves the point that the school is not giving its kids the opportunity to play at the highest level in state.  

Clearly wasn’t an issue for the last three public schools that knocked Cathedral out of the tournament.

[Guest DT]

7 minutes ago, CaptainHook said:

Seriously?  Two years ago they were willing to move down to 4A until the IHSAA revised the points in the Tournament Success Factor.  They aren't petitioning anyone.

Its clear from past reporting that thererhave been some internal struggles at Cathedral relative to the 6A issue.  I believe that if I recall correctly, former Coach Streiff wanted to move up to 6A, while members of the administative team were against the idea.  I believe this caused friction within the athletic department and contributed to Streiffs decision to walk awy from CHS.  There are many CHS  insiders here who can comment in more detail.  

Cathedral is stronger now that it was in the Streiff years.

The admin may be more open to the concept now than they were in the past.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by DT

[CaptainHook]

4 minutes ago, DT said:

I didint see the game, but clearly Whitelands inability to throw the ball kiiled any chances for a comeback.  Whiteland is in a small group of schools that can claim that they are the best 5A public school in the state, along with DC, ZV and VALPO.  Cathedrals walkover in this contest clearly proves the point that the school is not giving its kids the opportunity to play at the highest level in state.  

#1 You just listed 4 schools in 5A that have never won a 5A state championship.  And that statement makes sense to you?

#2 I actually agree.  Cathedral should permanently be in 6A.  They play a 6A schedule.  Makes no sense to slum it in the tournament.  With the win last night, they are assured of remaining in 5A in the next cycle.  Even with a likely state championship, they cannot move to 6A.

 

 

[Footballking16]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

Its clear from past reporting that thererhave been some internal struggles at Cathedral relative to the 6A issue.  I believe that if I recall correctly, former Coach Streiff wanted to move up to 6A, while members of the administative team were against the idea.  I believe this caused friction within the athletic department and contributed to Streiffs decision to walk awy from CHS.  Therer are many CHS  insiders here who can comment in more detail.  

Cathedral is stronger now that it was in the Streiff years.

The admin may be more open to the concept now than they were in the past.

 

Streiff didn’t walk away from anything. He’s the current AD at Cathedral.

[CaptainHook]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

Its clear from past reporting that thererhave been some internal struggles at Cathedral relative to the 6A issue.  I believe that if I recall correctly, former Coach Streiff wanted to move up to 6A, while members of the administative team were against the idea.  I believe this caused friction within the athletic department and contributed to Streiffs decision to walk awy from CHS.  Therer are many CHS  insiders here who can comment in more detail.  

Cathedral is stronger now that it was in the Streiff years.

The admin may be more open to the concept now than they were in the past.

 

Wrong.  Peebles was the coach in 2018 when the decision was made to go down to 4A.  Only a rule change kept them in 5A for 2019 and 2020.

[Guest DT]

12 minutes ago, CaptainHook said:

Wrong.  Peebles was the coach in 2018 when the decision was made to go down to 4A.  Only a rule change kept them in 5A for 2019 and 2020.

Is it your understanding that there has never been any internal discussion or disagreement relative to the idea of Cathedral playing in 6A?  Do you have first hand knowledge of this?

[CaptainHook]

4 minutes ago, DT said:

Is it your understanding that there has never been any internal discussion or disagreement relative to the idea of Cathedral playing in 6A?  Do you have first hand knowledge of this?

How would I know if there is internal discussion?  All I know is what I saw.  We were all at the Indianapolis Colts 7v7 tournament when the news broke that Cathedral would be staying in 5A and not moving down to 4A.  Their coaches were not happy.  If they weren't happy about staying in 5A, I'm willing to guess there was very little interest in moving to 6A, lol.

Edited November 14, 2020 by CaptainHook

[Muda69]

If HBO decides to make it's new documentary "The Cost of Winning" into a season-by-season effort,  I believe Cathedral would be a good program to highlight.