Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: I've never used the word dominant, EVER, when describing a possible future for a program like Tech. More like "better" or "more competitive". Again you're reaching. It can stretch to whatever necessary measure. If East St. Louis can put together a nationally rated football program, Tech certainly can win 6 or 7 games once in a blue moon. One school district tries, the other doesn't. Nick Saban didn't win anything until he went to LSU, you know a school with a proud tradition who is all-in. The East Saint Louis Athletic program in NO WAY can even be compared to that of Tech. ESL McKinley and ESL Lincoln closed within that district years ago and THAT gave them a multitude of athletic ability that was able to be tapped into. It was a self-sustaining situation. Add that to the legacy of the Women's (and Men's) Track and Field programs, the Basketball programs (including ESL Lincoln); How is a HS withing a a LARGER ISP District (Tech) even on par, or could even be compared? Clearly (the) ESL Flyers have taken pride in their athletic programs, so much so, that kids OUTSIDE of their district (and Illinois) transfer there to participate in their activities. Big time difference! 1 Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, Yuccaguy said: The East Saint Louis Athletic program in NO WAY can even be compared to that of Tech. ESL McKinley and ESL Lincoln closed within that district years ago and THAT gave them a multitude of athletic ability that was able to be tapped into. It was a self-sustaining situation. Add that to the legacy of the Women's (and Men's) Track and Field programs, the Basketball programs (including ESL Lincoln); How is a HS withing a a LARGER ISP District (Tech) even on par, or could even be compared? Clearly (the) ESL Flyers have taken pride in their athletic programs, so much so, that kids OUTSIDE of their district (and Illinois) transfer there to participate in their activities. Big time difference! Is that not what IPS has done over the years? Shutdown multiple high schools to consolidate down towards one bigger high school? And IPS is 6x larger than ESLD, not sure you know what you're talking about. 1 Quote
Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Is that not what IPS has done over the years? Shutdown multiple high schools to consolidate down towards one bigger high school? And IPS is 6x larger than ESLD, not sure you know what you're talking about. Not even close to the ESL situation... Perhaps you don't realize as ridiculous of a comparison to Tech you raised? Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said: Not even close to the ESL situation... Perhaps you don't realize as ridiculous of a comparison to Tech you raised? It's not a ridiculous comparison. It's an impoverished area with similar demographics to that of the Tech High School makeup who excels in many sports despite that fact. Temp has told us for years that if you have an 80-90% f/r lunch rate and aren't in the top half of your classification enrollment, you have no chance of succeeding athletically. ESL is a singular example that completely contradicts this narrative on top of the many examples I have provided in the past. 1 Quote
Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: It's not a ridiculous comparison. It's an impoverished area with similar demographics to that of the Tech High School makeup who excels in many sports despite that fact. Temp has told us for years that if you have an 80-90% f/r lunch rate and aren't in the top half of your classification enrollment, you have no chance of succeeding athletically. ESL is a singular example that completely contradicts this narrative on top of the many examples I have provided in the past. As a STL born and bred person... How about you take some time and LEARN something? Tech is perhaps more like University City (MO), or Ritenour (MO), or Saint Louis Sumner? Edited October 24, 2023 by Yuccaguy Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said: As a STL born and bred person... How about you take some time and LEARN something? East St Louis is the only school district in America to ever consolidate? I guess I do learn something new every day. 1 Quote
Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, Footballking16 said: East St Louis is the only school district in America to ever consolidate? I guess I do learn something new every day. I'm done with this stupid comparison to a district that is solely it's OWN (ESL) and that which a part of a larger one (Tech).... Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yuccaguy said: I'm done with this stupid comparison to a district that is solely it's OWN (ESL) and that which a part of a larger one (Tech).... I’m not comparing districts smartass. But you knew that. I made the comparison between East St Louis High School and Arsenal Tech, two inner-city schools with identical demographics and socio-economic status. If you’ve followed any of Temp’s diatribes on this subject over the years, a school like ESL should never be able to succeed (low enrollment/high f/r/l program) given those two factors. No need to announce your presence as the smartest guy in the room, just hit submit reply. Edited October 24, 2023 by Footballking16 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 24, 2023 Author Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: I’m not comparing districts smartass. But you knew that. I made the comparison between East St Louis High School and Arsenal Tech, two inner-city schools with identical demographics and socio-economic status. If you’ve followed any of Temp’s diatribes on this subject over the years, a school like ESL should never be able to succeed (low enrollment/high f/r/l program) given those two factors. No need to announce your presence as the smartest guy in the room, just hit submit reply. None in Indiana DO succeed. I’ve done the homework. Maybe it’s a Hoosier thing but you know about all 50 states so… Quote
Rodney Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 out of all the fun things to argue about, this is what we're going with this week? Nah I don't think so I'll be back later 1 Quote
Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: I’m not comparing districts smartass. But you knew that. I made the comparison between East St Louis High School and Arsenal Tech, two inner-city schools with identical demographics and socio-economic status. If you’ve followed any of Temp’s diatribes on this subject over the years, a school like ESL should never be able to succeed (low enrollment/high f/r/l program) given those two factors. No need to announce your presence as the smartest guy in the room, just hit submit reply. Just had to go with immature comment, huh? Again. Perhaps learn something prior to a comparison with a totally independent School district than that which is a part of a much larger one, to try and make your point. And at No time would I ever make myself "the smartest guy on the room". BUT perhaps the most informed. Edited October 24, 2023 by Yuccaguy Quote
Yuccaguy Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 45 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: I’m not comparing districts smartass. But you knew that. I made the comparison between East St Louis High School and Arsenal Tech, two inner-city schools with identical demographics and socio-economic status. If you’ve followed any of Temp’s diatribes on this subject over the years, a school like ESL should never be able to succeed (low enrollment/high f/r/l program) given those two factors. No need to announce your presence as the smartest guy in the room, just hit submit reply. ESL is its OWN system... get with the program! Quote
BTF Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, temptation said: None in Indiana DO succeed. I’ve done the homework. Maybe it’s a Hoosier thing but you know about all 50 states so… What about Harding back when Sherwood Haydock was there? 1 Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Yuccaguy said: ESL is its OWN system... get with the program! Who has disputed that? It’s irrelevant to the comment and comparison I made. 1 Quote
Boilernation Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Yuccaguy said: The East Saint Louis Athletic program in NO WAY can even be compared to that of Tech. ESL McKinley and ESL Lincoln closed within that district years ago and THAT gave them a multitude of athletic ability that was able to be tapped into. It was a self-sustaining situation. Add that to the legacy of the Women's (and Men's) Track and Field programs, the Basketball programs (including ESL Lincoln); How is a HS withing a a LARGER ISP District (Tech) even on par, or could even be compared? Clearly (the) ESL Flyers have taken pride in their athletic programs, so much so, that kids OUTSIDE of their district (and Illinois) transfer there to participate in their activities. Big time difference! I just checked the Missouri football roster. Not surprised to see star WR Luther Burden the 3rd's hometown listed as St. Louis. It's been pretty common lately for ESL's best football players to be from St. Louis. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 10 hours ago, BTF said: What about Harding back when Sherwood Haydock was there? Harding was around 50 percent free and reduced lunch in the early 2000's. Good find. Were those the Selwyn Lymon teams? Kid was a monster. Quote
BTF Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, temptation said: Harding was around 50 percent free and reduced lunch in the early 2000's. Good find. Were those the Selwyn Lymon teams? Kid was a monster. Yes, thanks for the info. Wasn't sure where they stood rate wise. Lymon was one of the top five high school athletes I've seen come out of this city, NFL talent for sure. Not quite sure what happened when he got to Purdue. Disciplinary issues if my memory serves me correctly. Quote
temptation Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, BTF said: Yes, thanks for the info. Wasn't sure where they stood rate wise. Lymon was one of the top five high school athletes I've seen come out of this city, NFL talent for sure. Not quite sure what happened when he got to Purdue. Disciplinary issues if my memory serves me correctly. I noticed his Wikipedia profile lists him as a "two sport star" and then lists basketball and football. I watched the kid on the track...whoa. Sub 48 400 meter runner. Quote
BTF Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, temptation said: I noticed his Wikipedia profile lists him as a "two sport star" and then lists basketball and football. I watched the kid on the track...whoa. Sub 48 400 meter runner. Man among boys. Right there along side Vaughn Dunbar, Rod Smith, Jaylon Smith, and John Goodman. Best five Fort Wayne guys I've seen in person. 1 Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, BTF said: Man among boys. Right there along side Vaughn Dunbar, Rod Smith, Jaylon Smith, and John Goodman. Best five Fort Wayne guys I've seen in person. Rod Woodson, NFL hall of fame, is the best I have seen at the high school level. Along with the 5 players you have listed, James Hardy is there with them Quote
Boilernation Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTF said: Yes, thanks for the info. Wasn't sure where they stood rate wise. Lymon was one of the top five high school athletes I've seen come out of this city, NFL talent for sure. Not quite sure what happened when he got to Purdue. Disciplinary issues if my memory serves me correctly. Lack of work ethic and questionable off the field behavior. At one point he was shot in the eye by a bb gun. Not sure if that was at the brawl he was involved in at the pool hall that was in the Levee. Edited October 25, 2023 by Boilernation Quote
BTF Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, Komets2727 said: Rod Woodson, NFL hall of fame, is the best I have seen at the high school level. Along with the 5 players you have listed, James Hardy is there with them Never saw him play, my list was those I've seen in person on the field. Not sure I saw Hardy in person either. 8 minutes ago, Boilernation said: Lack of work ethic and questionable off the field behavior. At one point he was shot in the eye by a bb gun. Not sure if that was at the brawl he was involved in at the pool hall that was in the Levee. That's too bad, he had a million dollar NFL career written all over him. Quote
Boilernation Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 25 minutes ago, BTF said: That's too bad, he had a million dollar NFL career written all over him. Yep. Ohio State wanted him and somehow Purdue won the recruiting war. Maybe things would have been different had he went to Ohio State. Quote
temptation Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, BTF said: Never saw him play, my list was those I've seen in person on the field. Not sure I saw Hardy in person either. That's too bad, he had a million dollar NFL career written all over him. Woodson was a beast on the track as well. Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, temptation said: Woodson was a beast on the track as well. Woodson is the best ever high school football player out of Indiana. Great track athlete, ran an Olympic time 100 meter dash when he competed in track at Purdue. Fastest dude I have seen in the football field. Also, when at Snider, he played basketball and was a pretty good basketball. Dude had a nasty vertical and was able to get well above the rim. Freakish athlete. Yep, I am old… Edited October 25, 2023 by Komets2727 Quote
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