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EDIT: a few years ago: as written the proposal was shot down: 19-0: The latest CO-OP was 6 yes to 12 Nos'. This was for full sports not specifically to football.

See I was in the meeting... where CO OP were talked about and discussed at length..... I have been in same meetings where 8 man has been. Sorry your opinion of CO OP failed so miserably at the level of IHSAA executive board, I believe the vote was 19-0 in favor or NO CO OP from the IHSAA executive board..... Your axe is with them it seems not me nor iFCA who has been successfully for now going on I believe the 4th year of 8 man in our state, could be 3rd year.

Yes, after watching numerous 8-man games I no longer have the desire to do so. I'm generally ok with that.

I understand that you don't like anybody other than tackle football coaching professionals with a sufficient amount of knowledge opining THEIR views on the GID. That's ok, just stick to your navel-gazing IFCA cohorts and let others put forward alternate workable solutions in the face of declining enrollments and waning tackle football interests in primarily rural areas of our state. Oh, that view hasn't changed. Tackle football is still a dangerous activity that should be played by adults, not children. Statistics back this up. But I'm also a pragmatist who realizes most parents don't have an issue with putting their children in such a harm's way. Are there peer-reviewed studies out their showing that 8-man tackle football is objectively safer than 11-man tackle football?

But he wasn’t the HC. 🤷‍♂️ Any current HHC coach could be a coordinator for John Hart at Brownsburg and win State Championships.

Attica @ Tri County - I think Tri Country is a little worse than Attica. I'll take the Rambles getting their only win of the season. 26-6 Covington @ Englewood - Covington by as much as they want. Yes they've played really bad competition but they are good. Playing a bad team is much better than having the week off. Their QB is one of the better athletes in the conference and he'll show it again this week. Covington 42-6 FC @ Cville - Close one for FC last week. They lost their best player #22 about 10 plays into the game and still had a chance to win the game. I do think part of that is due to Southmont being down this year but I don't think anyone should sleep on the Mustangs. Earl and the Stangs get their first win of the season 26-14 Paris @ NV - I don't know anything about Paris but I know enough about NV to know that this game won't be close. The Falcons will struggle offensively because of their youth in certain positions. They need to get through this year then the next two will be better. Paris 45-12 Seeger @ BC - @ThePrince How about that game last week??? If only Herbie had his D1 TE. The Bison will win one game all season and it WON'T be this week. It will be week 8. Cronk gets his first win and it's by a lot. The Pats throw the ball all over BC. Running clock at halftime. Seeger 52-6 SV @ Sullivan - SV has all the athletes in the world but I still think they are young and not physical enough. Sullivan will win this one. Sullivan 35-14 West Vigo @ PH - Crabtree goes to PH and walks out with a win. The Vikings looked much better in the second half compared to the first and I think they will carry that momentum over to this game. WV 28-21 RP @ Tri - Another great game for the #1 ranked Panthers. Their win last week shows how good this team really is. I don't see the Panthers letting this one slip away from them. They seem hungry and ready for this week. It's looking more and more like 15-0. RP shocks all of you with dominance this week. RP 56-6.

I'll give you that. I never thought I'd see the day so many kids would be allowed to transfer. Neighborhood kids enjoyed creating rivalries with surrounding neighborhoods or having a cross town rival..now they all go workout together during the off-season and speak of creating super teams..Loyalty has been left behind..

Good points: I don't want to underestimate the value of the CYO system. Bowen did have some pretty good offenses at Snider. Kudos to him for putting the Bruins in the position they were in last season. At the end of the day, I think my problem is with the new transfer rule. Like college, it just created one hell of a mess. Get kicked out of practice? So what, I'll transfer. Don't like the way a coach talks to me? So what, I'll transfer. The guy that spoke to me at summer camp was pretty cool? Awesome, I'll transfer. Accountability has been tossed out the window. And loyalty just doesn't exist anymore.

I mean, it seems like the reasonable response from your end would simply be not to watch... It seems that @hhpatriot04 has the best idea here: sanction both 8-man and co-ops and let the "marketplace of ideas" sort it out...

My role as Direct elect of IFCA Region 4 and 16 years as Assistant Coach rep is to promote opportunities for School Communities who wish to participate in football, 11 man or 8 man. I understand anything new creates uneasy or in your case your next crusade to opin YOUR views on a situation that you have very little knowledge of clearly . Thats ok. Rensselaer has a roster of 42, we are not in the bucket that would be considered, however, If I coached at South Newton, I would have been all about it. You've really come full circle over the years here: From the boogey man of football too dangerous for our poor children to play a game meant for kids.... to bemoaning schools who go to 8 man since they do not have the numbers for classic 11 man... Wild Message Board Arc for you my man , Pure entertainment for me really

A final thought on the above post, this weekend's Cathedral-Loyola Academy game should provide us with a good idea of the relative strength of both states programs, as both are rated in similar positions in their respective states.

The Grid is dead! Where's STC...and crew, The Beagle, anyone from St Leon/Harrison? 👎🏽

Logansport (1-0) @ SB Adams (1-0) SB Riley (1-0) @ Valparaiso (0-1) FW South (1-0) @ Saint Joseph's (1-0) SB Wahington (0-1) @ Goshen (0-1) Penn (1-0) @ Mishawaka (1-0) Marian (0-1) @ Culver Academy (0-1) New Prairie (0-1) @ NorthWood (0-1) Waren Central (1-0) @ Elkhart (1-0)

Andrean at Luers Carroll at Center Grove Decatur Central at Wayne East Noble at Snider Concordia at Eastside Eastbrook Dwenger at St. Francis De Sales (Ohio) North Side at New Haven Northrop at Warsaw South Side at St. Joseph Noblesville at Homestead

Wish we could get an answer for your question. I have been a tireless advocate for a two-day event in Indy with four of our best teams against one team from each of our border states. That would give us a better idea of the strengths of all those state programs. Can you image how exciting an event featuring East St. Louis (IL), Novi (MI) Central Catholic, Massillon (OH) Washington, and Louisville (KY) Trinity against Brownsburg, Westfield, Carmel and Warren Central would be? For now, though, all we can do is speculate. As far as Lincoln-Way East is concerned, did not think that much of them in the pre-season but the one-point win over Brother Rice was impressive. Not only that, but a quick glance of their schedule looks like they could/should win the remainder of their games as it is not an overwhelming slate. In relation to how they would do against Indiana teams, Brownsburg looks a loss, Westfield and Carmel would be very tough games for them. After that, I think they could hold their own. No, I did not watch the ESL - Mt. Carmel game. Too busy watching Alabaster Thompson-Phenix City Central, Bishop Gorman-Mater Dei and few other games.

North Judson @ LaVille Boone Grove @ South Central Taylor @ North Miami West Central @ Culver Triton @ Bremen Winamac @ Frontier North White @ Caston Pioneer @ Knox

Friday, Aug. 28 Cass at Northfield ©, 7 pm Maconaquah at Carroll, 7 pm Madison-Grant at Southwood, 7 pm Northwestern at Eastern, 7 pm Peru at Whitko ©, 7 pm Rochester at Tippecanoe Valley, 7 pm Tipton at Manchester, 7 pm

Zebras getting that Bell back this week! Gonna be a tough fight!

They won State Championships in 2003 and 2004. Since then their record is 70-146

Sorry, meant Mauck

RB: Cade Mauck, Brett Buecher QB: Carter Schickel

Lots of love for Luers yet no one bats an eye when a kid shows up freshman year that didn't go through the cyo ranks..talent development just doesn't start at the high school level..are these new coaches promising starting spots and exposure, probably. Bowen helped shape the new offense Snider ran when they started making runs with Tippman, his scheme catered to the strengths of the offense at Northrop. Those players could have went anywhere, can't blame him..Dwenger backup qb transfers from Luers and ends up playing against roncalli..it happens. Bowen n those Bruins beat Snider twice and it could have been 1 point both times..still hadn't been done in over 2 decades.

I understand your point, but I don't agree that it's no different. Officials always stress the importance and oddities of the kicking game, adding additional coverage and having the U run onto the field just doesn't seem practical. 3 Officials on the goal line is also overkill.

Thank you for the information. I do hope co-ops get traction in Indiana, as they have in Illinois. Finding ways for youth to play 11-man tackle football instead of 8-man tackle football should be the goal of the IHSAA and IFCA. I have watched a number of high school 8-man tackle football games via youtube, and it is pretty much Arena Football played outside. Blech.

Idk? But South looks formidable again.