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I don't see the link yet on IHSAATV.ORG, but that is where it will be..

I like to think it's a blended version of a power poll combined with accomplishments. I try to think if the season ended today and we were deciding on seeding, how would I rate the teams. Kind of like the BCS model that combined many factors. Example: North would probably beat Tell City and Forest Park, but I'd rather see these undefeated teams in a playoff than a two-loss North team.

I expect it will be a circus, TC will have a huge crowd. Should make for a great atmosphere

Granted it was summer 11v11 scrimmages but I watched NP scrimmage BNL and North. (On film, didn’t get to attend) I think NP vs Castle would be a good game. Not here to say you’re wrong (and we will never know) but I’d expect a very competitive game.

The North Daviess Jr high team played at Edgewood last night. Good guys won 20-6 on the red turf.

1. Brownsburg 2. Westfield 3. Warren Central 4. Center Grove 5. Carmel 6. Avon 7. LN 8. Carroll 9. Ben Davis 10. Cathedral 11. Chatard 12. Penn 13. Dwenger 14. Crown Point 15. East Central 16. New Pal 17. Bloomington South 18. Roncalli 19. Zionsville 20. FC 21. HSE 22. Merrillville 23. East Noble 24. DC 25. Evansville Memorial

TOP 100 GAMES – #1 Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (3-0) at Fort Lauderdale (FL) Dillard (2-1) #2 Baltimore (MD) St. Francis Academy (2-0) at Bryant (AR) (0-2) #30 Miami (FL) Central (2-0) at #3 Buford (GA) (2-0) #4 Ranco Santa Margarita (CA) Santa Margarita (3-0) at Sacramento (CA) Inderkum (1-1) #6 Allen (TX) (2-0) at #65 Southlake (TX) Carroll (1-1) #8 Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (2-1) at Kahuku (HI) (3-1) #9 Chattanooga (TN) Baylor (2-0) at #32 Louisville (KY) Trinity (3-0) Honolulu (HI) St. Louis (0-3) at #10 Chatsworth (CA) Sierra Canyon (2-0) Atlanta (GA) Hapeville Charter (1-1) at #11Carrollton (GA) (3-0) #12 Corona (CA) Centennial (1-1) at #14 Santa Ana (CA)Mater Dei (3-0) #13 Miami (FL) Columbus (1-1) at Miami (FL) Palmetto (3-0) #15 Alabaster (AL) Thompson (3-0) at Hoover (AL) Spain Park (3-0) #78 DeSoto (TX) (0-2) at #16 Duncanville (TX) (1-1) Ramsey (NJ) Don Bosco Prep (2-0) at Sparta (NJ) Pope John Paul XXIII (1-1) #18 Chandler (AZ) Hamilton (2-0) at Gilbert (AZ) Perry (2-0) #19 Brownsburg (IN) (3-0) at Avon (IN) (3-0) 20 Hollywood (FL) Chaminade-Madonna (2-1) at Miami (FL) True North Classical Academy (0-2) #21 Cornelius (NC) Hough (3-0) at Mooresville (NC) (0-3) Philadelphia (PA) Roman Catholic (0-2) at #22 Hyattsville DeMatha (2-0) #23 Houston (TX) North Shore (2-0) at #74 Dallas (TX) South Oak Cliff (0-1) West Palm Beach (FL) Cardinal Newman (3-0) at #24 West Boca Raton (FL) (2-0) Lithonia (GA) (1-1) at #25 Thomasville (GA) Thomas County Central (2-0) Norman Park (GA) Colquitt County (2-1)at #27 Leesburg Lee County (3-0) Houston (TX) Summer Creek (1-1) at #28 Fort Worth North Crowley (2-0) Milton (GA) (2-1) at #29 Franklin (TN) Battle Ground Academy (3-0) #31 Orange (CA) Lutheran (2-1) at Gardena (CA) Serra (2-1) #33 Folsom (CA) (2-0) at San Francisco (CA) Sacred Heart Cathedral (2-0) Buffalo (NY) Canisius (1-0) at Massillon (OH) Washington (3-0) #36 Waxahachie (TX) (2-0) at #51 Denton (TX) Guyer (2-0) #37 Chandler (AZ) Basha (1-1) at Phoeinix (AZ) Pinnacle (1-1) O'Fallon (IL) (1-2) at #38 East St. Louis (2-1) Mountain View (CA) St. Francis (1-1) at #39 Concord (CA) De La Salle (2-0) Chicago (IL) Marist (2-1) at #40 Chicago (IL) Mt. Carmel (2-1) #41New Orleans Edna Karr (1-0) at Shreveport (LA) Huntington (0-1) #42 Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (1-0) at Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (0-2) Cincinnati (OH) LaSalle (2-1) at #43 Cincinnati (OH) Elder (2-0) Jenks (OK) (1-1) at #45 Bixby (2-0) St. Louis (MO) Lift for Life Academy (1-1) at #46 Brentwood (TN) Academy (1-2) #47 Pinson (AL) Clay-Chalkville (2-1)at Gadseden (AL) Southside (2-0) #48 Chandler (AZ) (1-1) at Tuscon (CA) Salpointe Catholic (2-0) Nashville (TN) Ensworth (2-1) at #49 Chattanooga (TN) McCallie (3-0) Powder Springs (GA) McEachern (2-1) at #50 Gainesville (0-2) Parker (CO) Legend (1-1) at # 52 Greenwood Village Cherry Creek (2-0) San Diego (CA) Lincoln (1-2) at Mission Viejo (CA) (2-0) #54 Fairburn (GA) Creekside (1-1) at Newnan (GA) (0-2) #55 Detroit (MI) Cass Tech (2-0) at Detroit (MI) Southeastern (2-0) Gilbert (AZ) Highland (1-1) at #56 Peoria Liberty (2-0) Plantation (FL) American Heritage (1-2) at Jacksonville (FL) Trinity Christian Academy (1-2) El Paso (TX) Eastwood (2-0) at #58 Draper (UT) Corner Canyon (3-1) #59 Lakewood (OH) St. Edward (3-0) at Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (0-3) #60 Suwannee (GA) North Gwinnett (2-0) at Hochston (GA) Mill Creek #61 Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (2-0) at Mt. Pleasant (SC) Lucy Beckham (2-1) #62 Tyrone Sandy Creek (3-0) at Fayetteville (GA) Fayette County (1-3) #64 Phenix City (AL) Central (2-1) at Opelika (AL) (1-1) Austin (TX) McCallum (1-1) at Spring Branch (TX) Smithson Valley (1-0) #68 Lakeland (FL) (2-0) at Kissimmee (FL) Osceola (2-1) #69 Murfreesboro (TN) Oakland (2-1) at Nashville (TN) Pearl-Cohn (1-2) #70 Jersey City (NJ) St. Peters Prep (1-0) at Melville (NY) St. Anthony's (0-1) Bradley (IL) Bradley-Bourbonnais (3-0) at #71 Frankfort (IL) Lincoln-Way East (3-0) #72 Columbus (OH) Bishop Waterson (3-0) at Cleveland (OH) Glenville (1-1) Atlanta (GA) KIPP Atlanta Collegiate (2-0) at Valdosta (GA) (3-0) Cincinnati (OH) Sycamore (0-3) at #75 Cincinnati (OH) Princeton (3-0) #76 Omaha (NE)Millard South (2-0) at Omaha (NE) Elkhorn South (1-1) Warner Robins (GA) (2-1) at #77 Covington (GA) Newton (3-0) Bellevue (WA) (1-0) at #79 Puyallup (WA) (1-0) #80 Chicago (IL) Brother Rice (2-1) at #91 Wilmette (IL) Loyola Academy (3-0) #81 Roswell (GA) Blessed Trinity (3-0) at Suwanee (GA) Lambert (1-2) #82 Rock Hill (SC) South Pointe (2-0) at Rock Hill (SC) (3-0) Gibsonia (PA) Pine-Richland (2-0) at #83 Pittsburgh Central Catholic (2-0) #84 Tupelo (MS) (2-0) at Germantown (TN) Houston (1-2) #85 Loganville (GA) Grayson (1-2) at Brunswick (GA) (1-1) #86 Westfield (IN) (3-0) at Noblesville (IN) (2-1) Shelby (NC) Crest (3-0) at #87 Matthews Weddington (3-0) Hawthorne (FL) (3-0) at #89 Miami Northwestern (2-0) #90 Richmond (VA) Varina (2-0) at Chesapeake (VA) Oscar Smith (1-0) Mesa (AZ) Mountain View (2-0) at #92Peoria (AZ) Centennial (2-0) Houston (TX) Nimitz (1-1) at Houston (TX) Cypress Branch (2-0) #94 Charlotte (NC) Providence Day (2-1) at Matthews (NC) Butler (2-1) Pompano Beach (FL) Blanche Ely (2-1) at #96 Valdosta (GA) Lowndes (3-0) Buffalo (NY) Bennett/Olmstead (0-1) at #97 Washington (DC) St. Johns (2-0) Birmingham (AL) Oak Mountain (1-2) at #98 Vestavia Hills (2-1) #99 Franklin (TN) Page (3-0) at Brentwood (TN) (2-1) #100 Cincinnati (OH) Anderson (2-1) at Lebanon (OH) (3-0) Other Games of Interest ALABAMA (10) Prattville (3-0) @ (7) Hoover (2-1) Auburn (2-1) @ Enterprise (2-1) Citronelle (2-0) @ Pritchard Vigor (2-1) ALASKA (4) Palmer (4-0) @ (1) Fairbanks Lathrop (4-0) (5) Juneau-Douglas (3-1) @ (6) Palmer Colony (3-1) Kenai Central (2-1) @ (8) Utqiagvik Barrow (3-0) ARIZONA Sierra Vista Buena (2-0) @ (8) Gilbert ALA-Gilbert North (2-0) Gilbert Williams Field (2-0) @ Tempe Corona del Sol (2-0) Scottsdale Notre Dame (2-0) @ (7) Goodyear Desert Edge (2-0) ARKANSAS (7) Sherwood Sylvan Hills (2-0) @ (10) Fayetteville (1-1) Hot Springs Lakeside (1-1) @ (3) Benton (1-0) Greenbrier (1-0) @ Van Buren (2-0) CALIFORNIA (19) San Clemente (3-0) @ Carlsbad La Costa Canyon (2-1) (14) San Marcos Mission Hills (2-0) @ El Cajon Granite Hills (1-1) El Cajon Grossmont (3-0) @ (15) San Diego Point Loma (3-0) COLORADO (4) Montrose (3-0) @ (5) Highlands Ranch Mountain Vista (1-1) Highlands Ranch ThunderRidge (2-0) @ Thornton Riverdale Ridge (1-1) (7) Arvada Ralston Valley (1-1) @ (10) Centennial Arapahoe (1-1) CONNECTICUT (3) Trumbull St. Joseph @ Darien New Britian @ Windsor Trumbull @ (1) New Canaan DELAWARE Dagsboro Indian River (0-1) @ Seaford (1-0) Bear Red Lion Chrisitan Academy (0-1) @ (5) Bear Caravel Academy Philadelphia (PA) George Washington (0-2) @ (4) West Middleton Appoquinimink FLORIDA Lake Mary (1-1) @ (11) DeLand (1-1) Venice Wellen Park (3-0) @ Sarasota Cardinal Mooney (2-1) St. Augustine (3-0) @ Middleburg (2-1) GEORGIA Bogart North Oconee (3-0) @ Jefferson Jackson County (2-0) Snellville Brookwood (3-0) @ Atlanta Marist (2-0) Fairbanks Langston Hughes (1-1) @ Morrow (2-0) HAWAII (3) Ewe Beach Campbell (3-1) @ (4) Kapolei (3-0) Kahului Maui (2-2) @ Pukalani Kamehameha Maui (2-1) (9) Kea’au Kamehameha Hawaii (2-1) @ Hilo Waiakea (2-1) IDAHO (5) Meridian Mountain View (2-0) @ (7) Rexburg Madison (3-0) Afton (WY) Star Valley (2-0) @ Sugar-Salem (2-1) Rupert Minico (2-1) @ (2) Rigby (3-0) ILLINOIS Maple Park Keeneland (3-0) @ (13) Morris (3-0) (11) Glen Ellyn Glenbard West (2-1) @ (10) Downers Grove North (3-0) (9) Park Ridge Maine South (2-1) @ Winnetka New Trier (3-0) INDIANA Mishawaka (2-1) @ Warsaw (3-0) (4) Greenwood Center Grove (2-1) @ Indianapolis Ben Davis (2-1) Fort Wayne Carroll (2-1) @ Fort Wayne Dwenger (3-0) IOWA Des Moines Roosevelt (2-0) @ (4) Ankeny (2-0) Sioux City Bishop Helena Catholic (1-1) @ (7) Sioux City East (2-0) Mt. Vernon (2-0) @ Solon (2-0) KANSAS Gardner-Edgerton (1-0) @ (6) Hays (1-0) (8) Shawnee Bishop Miege (1-0) @ (5) Overland Park St. Thomas Aquinas (0-1) (4) Manhattan (0-1) @ (3) Shawnee Mill Valley (1-0) KENTUCKY (2) Danville Boyle County (3-0) @ (7) Fort Thomas Highlands (2-1) Louisville Atherton (3-0) @ (9) Louisville DuPont Manual (2-1) Owensboro (2-1) @ Owensboro Catholic (2-1) LOUISIANA Longview (TX) (2-0) @ (4) Ruston (1-0) (2) New Orleans St. Augustine (1-0) @ Destrehan (1-0) Zachary (0-1) @ Lafayette Acadiana (1-0) MAINE (3) Turner Leavitt (1-0) @ (4) Cumberland Center Greeley (1-0) (2) Standish Bony Eagle (1-0) @ North Brunswick Noble (1-0) Skowhegan (1-0) @ (7) Augusta Cony (1-0) MARYLAND Bethesda Walter Johnson (1-0) @ (4) Gaithersburg Quince Orchard (1-0) Norfolk (VA) Maury (0-2) @ (11) Forestville Bishop McNamara (2-0) Germantown Northwest (1-0) @ Potomac Churchill (1-) MASSACHUSETTS (3) Danvers St. John Prep @ (5) Springfield Central Attleborough Bishop Feehan @ (1) Westwood Xaverian Brothers Duxbury @ (7) Scituate MICHIGAN Dearborn (2-0) @ Howell (2-0) Toledo (OH) St. John’s Jesuit (3-0) @ (9) Orchard Lake St. Mary’s Prep (1-1) Bloomfield Hills Brother Rice (2-0) @ (4) Warren De La Salle Collegiate (1-0) MINNESOTA (1) Maple Grove (1-0) @ Eden Prairie (1-0) (4 Alexandria (1-0) @ Monticello (1-0) (6) Edina (1-0) @ Plymouth Wayzata (1-0) MISSISSIPPI Hattiesburg (1-1) @ Hattiesburg Oak Grove (1-1) River Ridge (LA) John Curtis (0-1) @ (6) Louisville (2-0) Flowood Hatfield Academy (2-0) @ (3) Madison-Ridgeland Academy (2-1) MISSOURI (1) St. Louis Christian Brothers (1-1) @ (3) St. Louis DeSmet Jesuit (2-0) (9) Republic (2-0)@ (10) Nixa (2-0) (7) Jackson (2-0) @ Sikeston (2-0) MONTANA (1) Billings Central Catholic (2-0) @ (2) Frenchtown (2-0) Florence-Carlton (1-1) @ Fairfield-Augusta (2-0) Big Timber Sweet Grass County (1-0) @ Manhattan (1-1) NEBRASKA Lincoln Northeast (2-0) @ (10) Papillion-La Vista South (2-0) Gretna (2-0) @ (7) Gretna East (2-0) Omaha Roncalli Catholic (2-0) @ (5) Ashland-Greenwood (2-0) NEVADA Morgan (UT) (3-1) @ (9)Las Vegas Faith Lutheran (2-2) (5) Henderson Coronado (2-1) @ Las Vegas Desert Pines (2-1) Simi Valley (CA) (2-1) @ Sparks Spanish Springs (1-2) NEW HAMPSHIRE (9) Windham (1-0) @ (3) Londonberry (1-0) (1) Bedford (1-0) @ Derry Pinkerton (1-0) (8) Exeter (1-0) @ (4) Nashua Bishop Guertin (1-0) NEW JERSEY (6) Atco Winslow Township (2-0) @ (14) Glassboro (2-0) Ridgewood (2-0 @ Franklin Lakes Ramapo (1-1) Toms River Donovan Catholic (2-0) @ Brick Memorial (2-0) NEW MEXICO (2) Las Cruces (3-0) @ (5) Hobbs (2-1) Dexter (2-1) @ Santa Rosa (2-1) Kirtland Central (2-0) @ (6) Santa Fe St. Michaels (3-0) NEW YORK Paramus (NJ) Catholic (1-1) @ (1)New Rochelle Iona Prep (1-0) Waverly (1-0) @ Endwell Maine-Edwell (1-0) Wayne (NJ) DePaul Catholic (2-0) @ (2) Staten Island Monsignor Farrell (2-0) NORTH CAROLINA New Bern (3-0) @ (8) Clayton Cleveland (3-0) Raleigh Southeast Raleigh (3-0) @ (7) Raleigh Cardinal Gibbons (2-1) Gastonia Ashbrook (2-1) @ Waxhaw Marvin Ridge (3-0) NORTH DAKOTA (3) Fargo Davies (2-0) @ Bismarck Legacy (2-0) Bismarck (2-0) @ Fargo Shanley (2-0) (6) Grand Forks Central (2-0) @ Dickinson (2-0) OHIO Lewis Center Olentangy Orange (2-1) @ (12) Ghana Lincoln (3-0) Macedonia Nordonia (3-0) @ Medina Highland (2-1) Solon (2-1) @ (14) Wadsworth (3-0) OKLAHOMA Owasso (0-1) @ (6) Broken Arrow (2-0) (3) Midwest City Carl Albert (2-0) @ Oklahoma City Bishop McGuiness (2-0) Springdale (AR) Shiloh Christian (2-0) @ (4) Tulsa Lincoln Christian (2-0) OREGON (7) Portland Central Catholic (0-1) @ (2) Lake Oswego (2-0) Silverton (1-10 @ Grants Pass (2-0) (5) Turner Cascade (1-0) @ Sandy (1-0) PENNSYLVANIA Aliquippa (1-0) @ Pittsburgh Seton LaSalle (2-0) (7) State College (2-0) @ (6) Harrisburg Bishop McDevitt (2-0) (3) Malvern Prep (1-0) @ (9) Philadelphia Imhotep Charter (1-1) RHODE ISLAND Brooklyn (NY) Eagle Academy II (2-0) @ (2) Providence La Salle Academy (1-0) Madison (CT) Hand @ (1) Warwick Bishop Hendricken (0-1) West Warwick (0-1) @ (3) Cranston West (1-0) SOUTH CAROLINA Greer (3-0) @ Duncan Byrnes (1-1) Fayetteville (NC) Trinity Christian (3-0) @ Fort Mill Indian Land (2-1) (7) Summerville (2-1) @ Moncks Corner Berkeley (3-0) SOUTH DAKOTA (1) Sioux Falls Jefferson (2-0) @ (6) Sioux Falls Lincoln (1-1) (9) Harford West Central (2-0) @ (4) Sioux Falls Christian (2-0) (8) Dell Rapids (2-0) @ Canton (2-0) TENNESSEE St. Louis (MO) Cardinal Ritter Prep (1-1) @ (8) Knoxville Catholic (3-0) Nolansville (3-0) @ (15) Murfreesboro Blackman (2-1) (10) Maryville (2-1) @ Cleveland (3-0) TEXAS Austin Vandegrift (1-1) @ Liberty Hill (2-0) Lewisville (2-0) @ Denton Ryan (1-1) (20) Austin Westlake (2-0) @ (18) (3) Prosper (2-0) UTAH (3) Herriman Mountain Ridge (4-0) @ West Jordan Cooper Hills (4-0) Hurricane (3-1) @ Washington Crimson Cliffs (3-1) Provo Timpview (2-2) @ (3) Highland Lone Peak (2-2) VERMONT (3) Bellow Falls (1-0) @ (6) Fair Haven (1-0) (4) Middlebury (0-1) @ (10) Hinesburg Champlain Valley Union (1-0) Bristol Mt. Abraham (1-0) @ Windsor (1-0) VIRGINIA Chantilly Wesfield (2-0) @ McLean Langley (2-0) Richmond Trinity Episcopal (1-1) @ Richmond Hermitage (2-0) Martinsburg (WV) Spring Mills (2-0) @ (9) Lynchburg Liberty Christian (1-0) WASHINGTON Pasco Chiawana (1-0) @ Spokane Mead (1-0 Seattle Prep (1-0) @ (8) Sammamish Eastside Catholic (1-0) Burien Kennedy Catholic (0-1) @ (9) Tacoma Mount Tahoma (1-0) WEST VIRGINIA (7) Spencer Roane County (2-0) @ Clay County (2-0) Nitro (1-1) @ Elkview Herbert Hoover (2-0) Crown City (OH) South Gallia (2-1) @ Mason Wahama (2-0) WISCONSIN (2) Muskego (3-0) @ (8) Waukesha Catholic Memorial (2-1) Green Bay Ashwaubenon (3-0) @ (7) De Pere West De Pere (3-0) Chippewa Falls (3-0) @ (10) New Richmond (3-0) WYOMING (9) Jackson Hole (2-0) @ (6) Riverton (1-1) (5) Mountain View (1-0) @ (10) Lovell (1-0) Kemmerer (2-0) @ Thermopolis Hot Springs County (2-0)

Certainly makes polling these teams a challenge. But I put more stock in defeating Center Grove than I do barely beating North Central. If you beat the Trojans, you're pretty legit.

Is this a ranking of most deserving or more of a true top 10 power poll style? I can’t see North Posey actually beating Castle in a real game.

Attica

I’ll post the links tomorrow, since some of them get posted in the mornings.

I know the Tigers usually stream all their games. Anyone have the link for online stream of the Memorial @ MD game?

Still need week 4 picks from @Bluejacket1 and @Goose10

In case you have not seen this yet.

I know this is an open forum, and anyone can comment, but those from the Indy area telling Penn to get over themselves? Did you call the school and speak to someone who actually represents the school and did they give you the travel excuse? Are you applying one person's defense that is a Penn fan on this forum and applying it to the school. Most of you Indy schools don't actually win state. That area of our state is like the SEC, if one of us wins we all win...Nah bro, just that school won. Noblesville, Zionsville and Franklin Central etc. don't get a piece of that action. Yes Penn has a competition issue. Yes Penn could fix it by leaving the NIC, in football only would be the best solution. However, until it actually feels like the school system cares about winning a state title in football again, we likely won't be leaving this conference....unless forced out. So, the question is why don't the other NIC schools actually do something like that? I personally don't care what the schools do in the southwest corner of our state, but you make valid points in that argument. Richmond plays a team across the state, so this can be done. Unless the 6A and High achieving 5A schools of the True North leave their conferences and make a scheduling agreement with one another, we will have region based conferences here in the very north part of the state. What does the scheduling agreement look like: The Region: CP, MVille, Valpo (Portage and LC if they want) Central: Penn, Elkhart (maybe Concord) Ft. Wayne: Warsaw, Snider, Carroll, Homestead (maybe Northrop) All agree to play their regional teams plus Penn and Elkhart and play at least one away cross state game each year (that would be one home game and one away game) What Penn's schedule could look like: (this is using this years Home/Away schedule for reference) 1- Valpo (H) 2- Mishawaka(A) 3- MVille(A) 4- Warsaw (H) 5- Snider (H) 6- Carroll (A) 7- CP (H) 8- Homestead (A) 9- Elkhart (H)

St. Joe (3-0) @ Marian (1-2) Holy War '26 SB Washington (0-3) @ Penn (3-0) Elkhart (2-1) @ SB Riley (1-2) New Prairie (0-3) @ SB Adams (2-1) There is a chance each game is over by halftime.

However those other sports are already playing many DAC and Ft. Wayne schools, so now that argument to oppose the move would carry less weight. I also think that the NIC could ask Penn to leave in just football and have the rest of the teams stay in conference... That I would say is a logical and fair solution.

Yes WC and NC is a long standing rivalry. Even though NC for the most part hasn't been competitive in football for years.

Both parents went to IU, older sister went to IU, I went to IU. Never had a choice.

The only thing helping is that Penn non starters getting valuable playing time for next season and beyond .

I think it’s most fair to say that traditionally there are only two programs whose best teams are world beaters in the largest class: Ben Davis and Warren Central. Center Grove got to where it is, in part, by having to go once and sometimes twice a year with those programs, and they are every bit their peer. Penn is likely leaving something on the table by playing the NIC schools, but I don’t think the program’s ceiling is or ever was one where Penn’s best teams would destroy an opponent in the state finals.

I'm surprised you're not a Kentucky fan.

Big win for IU. Not going to nitpick pick them for winning easily. Hoover was very impressive, a real running game does wonders. Defense looked very vanilla, think they weren’t showing much. I fully expect IU to beat Howard handily, could be 70-0.

My late grandfather, a Cathedral grad, despised Notre Dame because he said it was forced down his throat from a young age. After reading this thread, I finally understand his sentiments and appreciate being outside of the Golden Dome because my family moved from Carmel to Santa Claus when I was a child. No post season for the Irish unless they run the table. Go Hoosiers!

that doesn't help, but still we can both be correct here. Penn varsity is not helping anyone by crushing teams by half. This isn't a shot at the SB schools or Marian, however those Varsity teams vs the Penn JV squad would be a good game.