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I hear that phrase “off-season” training used as something you “buy” as opposed to the weight training, etc. that serious and quality football teams expect from athletes in the off-season that is offered as part of the program. As to off-season “camps”, unless things have changed at Chatard, any “skill camp” other than the one the school offered was historically strongly discouraged. And if you’re referencing some sort of off-season travel football teams that seems to be a mechanism to part rube pre-high school kid parents from their money and likely end a kid’s playing days early. Football ain’t hoops….thank God. I feel like I see this “off-season training” used elsewhere (over on the moronic Facebook page) as something generally wealthy suburban schools or private/parochials have some sort of access to that allows them to somehow “buy” performance for their kids. Frankly, it’s a canard….just another excuse in my mind…and it seems to be a largely rural v. city thing. Off-season training is something you just do. Although I played football in HS, it was track that paid for my college. My off-season training was running the highways 8-10 miles per day and the cost was time, sweat, blisters and a couple pair of Nikes per year. Sorry, PTR, I just had a “Get off my lawn!” moment and, admittedly, it was directed at some of the stuff I read elsewhere.

Just to be a completist from yesterday: Chatard Freshmen 21 Cathedral Freshmen 14 I know PBJ always wants to acknowledge the Freshmen score so I thought I’d note it. I guess Chatard’s kids must have attended more special camps…

No to be disagreeable but nope...not "brothers"....and not 'little". If anyone on the field on either side feels that way then maybe they need to be playing soccer. I'll let it go at that.

School Field in South Bend is legendary. There is an adjacent building literally a few yards from the end line in one end zone. I have seen more than one official under an upright get conked by a ricochet on a PAT kick.

It didn’t. Cathedral and staff thought the game was over after the 1st quarter while Chatard played the entire game.

What do you mean by “resources”? That word can cover a lot of ground. Chatard is an Indianapolis Catholic Archdiocese school along with Ritter, Scecina and Roncalli and tied to rules, regs, etc. of the Archdiocese. Cathedral is an independent private school with a strong Catholic affiliation but not an Archdiocese schools.

Center Grove destroys Trinity. Trinity destroys Carmel. Carmel barely escapes a Homestead team that got obliterated by Noblesville. Greyhounds are overrated at 15, might not even be Top 25.

MY "OH MY" Teams of the week are all the teams in the Hoosier Conf., except Hamilton Heights and West Lafayette. When WL lost to Harrison 42-6, it looked like WL might not be as great this year as they were in past years.. It looks like you don't have to be that good to beat most of the teams in the Hoosier Conf. There used to be a lot of good teams, like Tipton and Rensselaer, in the Hoosier. Tipton had not scored a point the last two weeks and LCC has only scored 7 points the last two weeks. WL has beaten LCC the last 7 years. WL only beat LCC 37-7 this year. That is one point better than last year when WL won 52-21. Rensselaer, Benton Central and Tipton, OH MY!

Sounds like something he might have grabbed from Coach Gaines after Lee beat Permian in '88 ... see Friday Night Lights ... and forced the coin flip to break the three-way tie.

I had a salesman one time give me a Permian hat. The sales manager told me built a concrete vault to store it until he gave it to me. He’s a Midland Lee graduate.

Absolutely. There were many high snaps, especially in the 2nd half, and needless to say, when your QB has to go up to grab a snap, that slows down the play which allows the defense to read/react to plays. They stuck with the kid for the entire game, so I guess they didn't have a better alternative at that moment and time. There were zero issues with the snaps in the first three games, and I have to feel that the kid was pressed into that position right at the last time and like I said, it was like he was on on-the-job training from my observation of it. He did have quite a few good snaps, but it only takes a few of those to affect a game, which it did. btw, WHCC 105.1 covers South/North games also and that is an alternative if Joe Smith gets hard to listen to since he has lost a step or two as a play-by-play guy. WHCC is the flagship station for the IU radio network so they didn't cover the game last Friday because of IU playing that night also. I don't know if WVNI covered the game since they still have their old schedule up on their website, but they are covering games this season.

Not unless you're a ref when the field goal team is warming up.

I commend your post. You'd make a good attorney. I still think it had an impact though. For the record, this is the first time I've defended Cathedral in all my years on the forum.............no dog in the fight. To the Chatard contingent: Congratulations on your impressive win.

That is a one-sided advantage item. The defense makes the kicker think more about it and hopefully that makes them miss. As to why coaches do it? They have an extra time out that they don't get to save for next week and don't get to exchange it for a free order of fries at McDonalds after the game if they don't use them all. It costs them nothing at all to use it. The same way that it costs nothing for everyone on the defense to put their hands up, nor for everyone behind the goal post to sway. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Most of the time, if it works, it's on longer kicks which are going to be lower percentage anyway. In either case, it's a one-sided "disadvantage" at a specific time. For said analogy to be similarly applicable, the act of playing on the next day would have had to mess with Cathedral's COLLECTIVE team psyche and done so for two quarters, with a lead, as opposed to a single play, one a single player, with the whole game resting on a single play and coming from behind. I could see the argument if postponement affects Cathedral because they don't play well in the morning and Chatard plays great in mornings, but I doubt that's the case here. It could certainly be an issue if Cathedral plays well in the rain and the postponement moved to a day where the ground was now dry and the sun was out with a slight breeze. Now you could argue that they are at a disadvantage. Could certainly get on board with that. Could be that the postponement forced the game to be played at one of the school's home field instead of a neutral location? That could certainly have an impact. But I'm just not seeing the detriment to Cathedral for anything that would be a one-sided detriment. As @Footballking16 said, "One team showed up to play Saturday morning while the other team was still in bed" and this wasn't a case of Elaine's wake-up service failing Jean-Paul/Cathedral or Kramer giving them hot tea to pour on themselves. Perhaps, let's take this from a different angle. Specifically what impacted Cathedral negatively? If Cathedral was the dominant team, then it really doesn't matter if they played on split days. If they weren't the dominant team, then maybe you could argue that they had "the luck of the Irish" on that one Friday night and were going to stun Goliath. Possibly, but I don't think luck ever has much to do with Cathedral's, or Chatard's for that matter, performance. There are times where a postponement CAN have an impact on a game, but I'm just not seeing it in this particular game. I could be missing something specific here, but I haven't seen anyone mention something specific to this particular game.

I thought I mentioned something about “a mechanism to part rube pre-high school kids parents from their money.”

Why does every coach try to ice the opposing team's kicker at the end of the game when the kick is going to determine the outcome? I respect what you're saying, I'm just not buying it. All sorts of things can change the momentum of a football game. Delaying it until the next morning is one of them. Just my humble opinion. So you're acknowledging that the delay had some kind of an impact.

Don’t think anyone from Cathedral is going to blame this on the lights when it happened at their venue of all places. One team showed up to play Saturday morning while the other team was still in bed. I’ll let you guess which team won.

I understand that when something out of the ordinary happens, general human tendency is to wonder about its impact. If it was something that happened to one side and not the other, I'd be more inclined to consider that. For example, if Cathedral's bus broke down on the way to the game the second day and the team had to push the bus five miles to a gas station before the game, then I'd say that perhaps one team "benefited" from the unusual circumstance or if Cathedral had to play the remainder of the game without their starting QB because his big brother was getting married that Saturday and he was the best man so he couldn't attend. In this case, however, both teams had to come back the next day, facing the same/similar hardships, etc. I'm not sure that either team had an advantage or disadvantage based on the postponement; especially given that Chatard was putting up points in the second quarter and Cathedral wasn't.

Not real fixated on rankings. Losing to Chatard doesn’t bother me so much as the way they lost. Chatard is a rivalry game and more than a formidable opponent but they out-played and out-coached Cathedral for the final 36 minutes and that can’t happen.

In my unbiased opinion, I have a hard time believing that it didn't have some sort of impact. Kudos to Chatard for finishing the job on Saturday morning. A high percentage of kids who can afford offseason training.

I don’t follow Michigan enough to speak on it, but I watched Mount Carmel and East St Louis play a couple weeks ago and I gotta say I’m not sure anyone in Indiana this year could beat either of them. Would love to see some MIC/HCC vs Catholic League Blue matchups in the near future.

My memory was a little faulty on it. I went back and took another look at the game and there was three bad snaps over the head for huge losses. I counted the play in the 1st qtr where Alley got a high snap and barely got his fingers on it to slow the momentum of the ball which landed about three or four yards behind him. Alley quickly went back and grabbed the ball and threw a hasty ill-advised pass that was intercepted. That bad snap did not go down as a loss of yardage.

Nah, I’m human. Look at my record picking games this week. Anyone who brings attempts to bring politics into a high school football thread is a loser, that’s all I was saying.

Arlington didn't pay the electric bill? 🙂 Fixed it for you, not Cathedral's bill to pay. Arlington must have only paid half the bill because only half the lights were out.