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Using WCGrad92's numbers above, here is the disparity in schools size in the current split (6A & 5A 32 teams): 6A Carmel 5200 Jeffersonville 2141 Carmel is 2.43 times bigger (Not much you can do about this, the top 16"ish" schools are just way bigger than the rest) 5A Valpo 2140 FWNS 1460 Valpo is 1.47 times bigger 4A FWSS 1459 (anyone else find it interesting SS & NS are only 1 kid apart?) Wash 810 FWSS is 1.8 times bigger 3A Guerin 800 Benton Central 513 GC is 1.56 times bigger 2A North Mont 513 Busco 378 NM is 1.36 times bigger 1A (with 64ish teams) East Hancock 377 Attica 160 EH is 2.36 times bigger (much larger disparity than any class but 6A...and I would agrue that effect is aggravated due to the smaller school size) OR 1A (with 32) Cov 281 Attica 177 Cov is 1.77 times bigger (very similar to what we get in the middle of the curve) BTW a 64 class 5A (as WCGRad92 has above) Valpo 2140 NW 1068 Valpo is ~2 times bigger

IHSAA make these changes now: 1. Adjust brackets to 32 in 6A and 1A, then split 5A - 2A with 61-64 schools in each. 2. Seed the Sectionals. Either complete seed or I’d be happy with seed top 2 and blind draw on the others as someone suggested earlier. 3. Neutral Site Semi State games 4. Keep LOS as home for all Championship games. Thats all. Too much to ask?

It always amazes me on a forum that should be for promoting football in Indiana, the amount of people on this forum that either want to eliminate teams completely or eliminate teams from playing games. There is nothing wrong with the all-in. Kids get very few football games to play in their entire lives and once it's done, it's done. Let's not try and minimize the experience just so fans can feel like it "means more."

Nope. Heard through the grapevines from a couple head coaches and assistants from within the MIC.

Just obey Rule #1.

when you work hard to build a reputation of hurting the enemy kicker every game that carries on into the post season this is a joke i don't condone hurting anyone intentionally yada yada yada believe me he will be shitting himself come game time and it will give you an advantage if you are taking this seriously sit down and relax that is enough computer time good talk so in this scenario yes the regular season will play an integral part of the post season

i think we oughta chuck everyone into the same class play a 19 game regular season sectionals will be done in one weekend ending in a best of 3 for the sectional championship the following week we'll knock out a best of 3 for regionals on wednesday and another one on saturday for semistate for the state championship they just keep playing games until one team wins 6 in a row incase of a blowout in the state championship this allows us to maintain the whole weekend for drinking and screaming at zebras from the endzone

Lol. You can still have a fun 9 or 10 game regular season all while not being entitled to a postseason game. Novel concept I know. It's done in every other state in America. And yes regular season games under the current format are in fact meaningless. Whether you go 9-0 and 0-9, your postseason fate is sealed before the season even starts by virtue of the all-in format and your draw is literally determined by a ping pong ball. Literally nothing that happens in weeks 1-9 has a single bearing on the postseason. They are in fact meaningless and how it relates to the overall course of the season. A literal fact that cannot be refuted.

A system that allows 0-9 North Newton to play in the postseason falls at the expense of two teams like Brownsburg and Ben Davis playing each other in the 1st round is the very definition of watered-down. It should never happen in a format where the regular season actually has real meaning.

What about qualifying for the postseason? Would certainly spice up the regular season for those team who don’t have a shot at a state or conference title.

Seeding the sectionals is the next logical step to a qualifier. How many straight years of Ben Davis beating Avon by 40-50 points on one side of the bracket and Brownsburg beating Pike by 40-50 points on the other side does it take for common sense to prevail and say it’s pointless to call these first round games the “postseason”? The all-in can only exist with the blind draw. It’s the only way to justify blowouts against teams who have no business playing in a postseason tournament to begin with. And it’s usually at the expense of a top team getting taken out early by another top team. It’s laughable.

Brownsburg went undefeated in the toughest conference in the state yet drew a road playoff game against the #2 team in the state, in the first round no less. Should tell you everything you need to know about the value of a conference championship under the current format. 2-7 Avon who finished dead last in said conference and also a 4 TD loser to Brownsburg drew another 2-7 team IN THE SAME SECTIONAL. Make it make sense.

North Newton went 0-9 in the regular season last year. Average margin of defeat was 50 points on the head. Shut out in 5 of 9 regular season games. Lost 71-6 in opening round of sectionals likely at the expense of a North Judson/Pioneer first round match-up that pitted at the time two top 15 Sagarin teams in 1A against each other. Why should every kid be able to play in a sectional game? A postseason berth should be earned, not the other way around. Every team making the postseason under the guise of the blind draw and really screwing with dynamicity and the competitiveness of the tournament has never really made sense to me. It's a watered down tournament.

If you have a problem with an objection based around the kids playing the game, then we are involved for different reasons. I've noticed over the years your posts have changed. I enjoy the ones where you answer officiating questions. You're pretty knowledgeable with the rules. It does seem like with what you're wanting to do is add a 10th which according to you would add a meaningless game. It wouldn't make it a playoff atmosphere for teams trying to qualify because we'd use some kind of mathematical formula to determine if you're in the top half that wouldn't come out until you know the scores of all the games Saturday. If you're not in the top 50% after week 9, then it won't change much after week 10. A buddy of mine coaches in Florida at Oak Ridge. He grew up here in Indiana. He hates their format. To qualify, your district games are the only ones that factor in to qualification. The other games truly mean nothing. For context, 5 of the 9 games they played were essentially exhibition games. They knew when their season was ending after 8 games because they had lost 2 district games week 7 and 8. I'm not sure how that is a better system.

Again, you simply make these pronouncements, without any supporting rationale. A qualification format turns regular season games into playoff games. Who gets excited when two 4-4 teams play each other in Week 9? Nobody. But if a playoff qualifying spot is on the line, suddenly a ho-hum game turns into a playoff game. Better for players, coaches, fans … everyone. Now, explain to everyone why the all-in, with its 9 weeks of practice games, is better for a high school football in Indiana.

As the father of a 17-year old girl, I can say that is something that should NEVER be done, regardless of the context.

When I posted this last week (and it was removed) I was told that I had a problem with Barron. The entire process of hiding facts and not letting people have opinions is a joke. As a father of a teenage girl I know that if any "teacher" slapped my daughter on the butt I would be going for his head. Since he is a football coach and a good ole boy we will just let him get away with it. The girl is the victim not John Barron!

So smacking teenage girls’ asses is unacceptable…..I was not aware, no one explained that to me when I was hired….and after she asked him to stop….be a man!

Without quoting all the above classes and taking up loads of space in this reply box- those classes (where 32 biggest are in 6A and 32 smallest are in 1A) seem about right to me. I realize it’s all relative I guess…

After reading through this thread - I actually think I've come around to the idea that is should be the BIGGEST 32 in 6A and the smallest 32 in 1A - then split the rest as evenly as you can.

1A and 6A should be 32. Divide 2A-4A up "evenly", handout the byes as you see fit. My 2 cents😜

Says who? I never got to play in a football sectional, and I don’t feel deprived. You “deserve” what you earn. Apparently, thousands and thousands of kids all over the country are just ticking time bombs because they didn’t get to the playoffs in their respective states when they were in high school. Thank goodness we don’t have to worry about that in Indiana.