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9 minutes ago, Temptation said:

If you can't stay within THIRTY points of an AVERAGE Michigan team, what makes you think you belong on the same field with LSU?

They were a few self inflicted mistakes away from defeating Georgia in a much more hostile environment and playing in better weather conditions. The Irish wouldn't fear the Tigers..............sorry. 

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14 minutes ago, BTF said:

Not sure who to put my money on. At this point Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, or Clemson could win it. I have LSU ranked 4th at this point, the reason for my hypothetical ND/LSU match-up.  I think the top three are in a league of their own. I'm just not sold on LSU  yet as a front-runner for the championship. 

Thanks, but which part?

I'm not sold on Bama.  LOL  I've seen 2 of their games and neither one was very impressive on the defensive side.  Yeah Tua is out and they are still winning, but not like a typical Bama team.  I guess we'll find out real soon when they play LSU.  I think LSU will probably win it this year.  Joe Burrow has them winning at an historical rate.  I was disappointed when he left Ohio State.  He was one of the top quarterback recruits in the country when he was in high school.  His senior year he put up ridiculous numbers.  Something like 50+ TD passes and only 3 or 4 INT's.  Crazy.

27 minutes ago, BTF said:

They were a few self inflicted mistakes away from defeating Georgia in a much more hostile environment and playing in better weather conditions. The Irish wouldn't fear the Tigers..............sorry

They may not fear them, but they'll lose to them just the same.  Sorry.

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1 hour ago, BTF said:

They were a few self inflicted mistakes away from defeating Georgia in a much more hostile environment and playing in better weather conditions. The Irish wouldn't fear the Tigers..............sorry. 

I love how only one team apparently had to face adverse weather conditions in your mind Saturday night.  Never thought I'd see the day when ND fans pull the moral victory card.

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4 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

I'm not sold on Bama.  LOL  I've seen 2 of their games and neither one was very impressive on the defensive side.  Yeah Tua is out and they are still winning, but not like a typical Bama team.  I guess we'll find out real soon when they play LSU.  I think LSU will probably win it this year.  Joe Burrow has them winning at an historical rate.  I was disappointed when he left Ohio State.  He was one of the top quarterback recruits in the country when he was in high school.  His senior year he put up ridiculous numbers.  Something like 50+ TD passes and only 3 or 4 INT's.  Crazy.

They may not fear them, but they'll lose to them just the same.  Sorry.

The Tigers may very well win it. I'm not saying they won't. I just want to see how they do against Alabama. Tight wins over Texas and Florida, in my opinion, doesn't qualify them for top 3 status................that's all, just my opinion. Hopefully they prove me wrong. I have nothing against the Tigers. 

Your second comment is an opinion, not a fact. If the Irish were to lose to them, I think it would be a competitive ballgame. Time will tell.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I love how only one team apparently had to face adverse weather conditions in your mind Saturday night.  Never thought I'd see the day when ND fans pull the moral victory card.

No point in continuing this conversation with anyone who isn't  intelligent enough to understand how weather conditions like that would favor a team like Michigan. At the end of the day, like it or not, Notre Dame is still ranked 16th in the country. Who do you follow and what are they ranked? That might explain the hostility.

Go Irish! And good luck to whoever you follow. 

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6 minutes ago, BTF said:

No point in continuing this conversation with anyone who isn't  intelligent enough to understand how weather conditions like that would favor a team like Michigan. At the end of the day, like it or not, Notre Dame is still ranked 16th in the country. Who do you follow and what are they ranked? That might explain the hostility.

Go Irish! And good luck to whoever you follow. 

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32 minutes ago, BTF said:

No point in continuing this conversation with anyone who isn't  intelligent enough to understand how weather conditions like that would favor a team like Michigan. At the end of the day, like it or not, Notre Dame is still ranked 16th in the country. Who do you follow and what are they ranked? That might explain the hostility.

Go Irish! And good luck to whoever you follow. 

You see...here's the irony.  I am intelligent enough because I follow MICHIGAN.  (They are ranked 15th, lol.)  It sounds like you are giving your boy Kelly a pass.  Michigan's rushing offense has struggled against anyone with a pulse this fall, the exceptions being MTSU, Illinois, and Rutgers.

As a matter of FACT (I know you don't like facts), Notre Dame ENTERED the game averaging 189 rushing yards per game, whereas Michigan averaged 154.  Jonathan Taylor SHREDDED Michigan's rush defense yet Notre Dame couldn't?  I've watched every Michigan game from start to finish this season and can tell you without a doubt that they are not some juggernaut against the run, especially against even/superior talent (which Notre Dame has).  Ian Book is a California boy and was shook by the weather.  That was evident after the second drive.  He wanted NO part of that atmosphere.

I also like the narrative that it was a "must win" for Harbaugh and that folks like to cite his record against ranked teams, whereas Kelly gets a pass despite his 4-12 record on the road against ranked teams.  

The game was not competitive.  Yet now the media narrative has shifted to "Notre Dame was overrated" by many of the pundits.  Laughable.

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2 hours ago, Temptation said:

You see...here's the irony.  I am intelligent enough because I follow MICHIGAN.  (They are ranked 15th, lol.)  It sounds like you are giving your boy Kelly a pass.  Michigan's rushing offense has struggled against anyone with a pulse this fall, the exceptions being MTSU, Illinois, and Rutgers.

As a matter of FACT (I know you don't like facts), Notre Dame ENTERED the game averaging 189 rushing yards per game, whereas Michigan averaged 154.  Jonathan Taylor SHREDDED Michigan's rush defense yet Notre Dame couldn't?  I've watched every Michigan game from start to finish this season and can tell you without a doubt that they are not some juggernaut against the run, especially against even/superior talent (which Notre Dame has).  Ian Book is a California boy and was shook by the weather.  That was evident after the second drive.  He wanted NO part of that atmosphere.

I also like the narrative that it was a "must win" for Harbaugh and that folks like to cite his record against ranked teams, whereas Kelly gets a pass despite his 4-12 record on the road against ranked teams.  

The game was not competitive.  Yet now the media narrative has shifted to "Notre Dame was overrated" by many of the pundits.  Laughable.

Being a mid-western guy all my life, I've always been a fan of the Big Ten. Good luck to your Wolverines, I hope they do well the rest of the way. 

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13 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Finebaum: Notre Dame should buy out Kelly, hire Urban Meyer: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27955957

Sounds like a legitimate goal, right Notre Dame fans and alumni?

Who do you think ND’s first choice was before they hired Kelly? He turned them down because he didn’t want to live with the academic restrictions on recruiting. Nothing’s changed.

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13 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Finebaum: Notre Dame should buy out Kelly, hire Urban Meyer: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27955957

Sounds like a legitimate goal, right Notre Dame fans and alumni?

 

 

 

If you want to sacrifice any and all moral integrity of Notre Dame lol.  
 

Notre Dame is an academic school...like northwestern, wake forest, Stanford, Vanderbilt....they aren’t a win by any means necessary school. Sure they have a rich athletic history, but I highly doubt they risk the chance of some NCAA investigation that is always following Urban 

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1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

If you want to sacrifice any and all moral integrity of Notre Dame lol.  
 

Notre Dame is an academic school...like northwestern, wake forest, Stanford, Vanderbilt....they aren’t a win by any means necessary school. Sure they have a rich athletic history, but I highly doubt they risk the chance of some NCAA investigation that is always following Urban 

I’m not too concerned about that. Urban’s problems at Florida and, to a lesser extent, at Ohio State were a product of the people he recruited. The administrative oversight on recruiting issues from outside the athletic dept. is adequate to prevent that from happening at ND. I believe it’s that oversight that led to him turning down the job years ago. But the fact that such oversight still exists probably makes it futile to pursue him now.

Having said that, I’d take him in a minute. If there’s anyone who can get us to get to that top level, it’s him. Just as long as there is no compromise of the principles that have long been in place.

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7 hours ago, Bobref said:

I’m not too concerned about that. Urban’s problems at Florida and, to a lesser extent, at Ohio State were a product of the people he recruited. The administrative oversight on recruiting issues from outside the athletic dept. is adequate to prevent that from happening at ND. I believe it’s that oversight that led to him turning down the job years ago. But the fact that such oversight still exists probably makes it futile to pursue him now.

Having said that, I’d take him in a minute. If there’s anyone who can get us to get to that top level, it’s him. Just as long as there is no compromise of the principles that have long been in place.

I mean. No doubt. You want to instantly grab top recruits and have a top 5 team? Hire urban....for football he is a great coach.  
 

it’s just in my eyes he is a win at any and all costs kinda guy 

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9 hours ago, Bobref said:

Who do you think ND’s first choice was before they hired Kelly? He turned them down because he didn’t want to live with the academic restrictions on recruiting. Nothing’s changed.

And where was this reported?  Let me guess:  in some secret magazine that only Notre Dame Alumni can get?  I don't recall seeing ANYTHING on the news that Meyer turned down Notre Dame and especially for the "reason" you state.  Let me guess again:  Notre Dame didn't want to report it at all.  How would that look on their precious reputation if they got turned down by one of the best coaches of all time?  Don't give me that "holier than thou" bs and dump it on Meyer that he's like some villain.  Your "he isn't good enough for our standards" is really lame.   

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8 hours ago, Bobref said:

I’m not too concerned about that. Urban’s problems at Florida and, to a lesser extent, at Ohio State were a product of the people he recruited. The administrative oversight on recruiting issues from outside the athletic dept. is adequate to prevent that from happening at ND. I believe it’s that oversight that led to him turning down the job years ago. But the fact that such oversight still exists probably makes it futile to pursue him now.

Having said that, I’d take him in a minute. If there’s anyone who can get us to get to that top level, it’s him. Just as long as there is no compromise of the principles that have long been in place.

Lol, you serious Clark?  Surely you didn’t type that last sentence with a straight face...

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Very little brain activity these days on ESPN. Take anything Finebaum or Herbstreit say with a grain of salt. The two idiots on PTI are just as bad. Finebaum's goal is to get under the skin of anyone associated with Notre Dame. Herbstreit is so biased toward his Buckeyes it's sick. He had the audacity to say that Ohio State was better than Notre Dame last year. Outside of Ohio State alumni, no intelligent human being who knows anything about the game could possibly agree with that. 

Urban Meyer is NOT the coach he once was. Sure, they did pretty good in his first season with the Buckeyes in 2012. And in 2014, they went from a barely Top 7 program to national champions after their 3rd string quarterback somehow lit a fire under the team. But really, what have  in they done in Meyer's final fours seasons? They won a lot of close games during a time I'd consider the Big Ten VERY average. They were waxed last year at Purdue..............trumps Notre Dame's loss to Michigan. They were embarrassed by Clemson in 2016..............trumps Notre Dame's loss to Clemson last year. No one ever seems to bring up Meyer's embarrassing losses............why is that? (can't wait to see the answers)

The thought of Notre Dame firing Kelly in favor of Meyer is an absolute joke. Meyer under-performed at a university that can only be matched by Alabama, Texas, and USC in terms of the resources they offer their head coaches. Kelly at Ohio State? Look what he did at Cincinnati. Imagine the possibilities there. Kelly is the better coach. Imagine Kelly at Texas. Not many coaches could do what Kelly has done at Notre Dame considering academic restrictions on recruiting.

If Notre Dame had any reason to fire Kelly, it would have been for hiring Brian VanGorder to lead his defense a few years ago. Other than that, Brian Kelly is a pretty darn football coach. Jenkins and Swarbrick are shaking their heads and laughing at Finebaum's comments as we all debate about this. 

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37 minutes ago, BTF said:

Very little brain activity these days on ESPN. Take anything Finebaum or Herbstreit say with a grain of salt. The two idiots on PTI are just as bad. Finebaum's goal is to get under the skin of anyone associated with Notre Dame. Herbstreit is so biased toward his Buckeyes it's sick. He had the audacity to say that Ohio State was better than Notre Dame last year. Outside of Ohio State alumni, no intelligent human being who knows anything about the game could possibly agree with that. 

Urban Meyer is NOT the coach he once was. Sure, they did pretty good in his first season with the Buckeyes in 2012. And in 2014, they went from a barely Top 7 program to national champions after their 3rd string quarterback somehow lit a fire under the team. But really, what have  in they done in Meyer's final fours seasons? They won a lot of close games during a time I'd consider the Big Ten VERY average. They were waxed last year at Purdue..............trumps Notre Dame's loss to Michigan. They were embarrassed by Clemson in 2016..............trumps Notre Dame's loss to Clemson last year. No one ever seems to bring up Meyer's embarrassing losses............why is that? (can't wait to see the answers)

The thought of Notre Dame firing Kelly in favor of Meyer is an absolute joke. Meyer under-performed at a university that can only be matched by Alabama, Texas, and USC in terms of the resources they offer their head coaches. Kelly at Ohio State? Look what he did at Cincinnati. Imagine the possibilities there. Kelly is the better coach. Imagine Kelly at Texas. Not many coaches could do what Kelly has done at Notre Dame considering academic restrictions on recruiting.

If Notre Dame had any reason to fire Kelly, it would have been for hiring Brian VanGorder to lead his defense a few years ago. Other than that, Brian Kelly is a pretty darn football coach. Jenkins and Swarbrick are shaking their heads and laughing at Finebaum's comments as we all debate about this. 

Yeah let's not talk about he's one of only 3 coaches in NCAA history to win National Championships at 2 different universities.  Yeah, let's just forget that bit of trivia.  Let's just talk about his failures. 

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1 hour ago, itiswhatitis said:

And where was this reported?  Let me guess:  in some secret magazine that only Notre Dame Alumni can get?  I don't recall seeing ANYTHING on the news that Meyer turned down Notre Dame and especially for the "reason" you state.  Let me guess again:  Notre Dame didn't want to report it at all.  How would that look on their precious reputation if they got turned down by one of the best coaches of all time?  Don't give me that "holier than thou" bs and dump it on Meyer that he's like some villain.  Your "he isn't good enough for our standards" is really lame.   

Wow, you are really adept at reading things into what other people say. Scroll down a couple of posts to where I say I’d take him in a minute. Would I do that if I thought he was unethical, or a “villain?” He’s not. He just knows there are restrictions on recruiting at Notre Dame that don’t exist at other places like Ohio State. That doesn’t make him evil. The Notre Dame environment was not what he wanted, that’s all.

1 hour ago, Temptation said:

Lol, you serious Clark?  Surely you didn’t type that last sentence with a straight face...

Clark?

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2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

No idea.  I never got to see the AD's secret list.  Did you?

 

It was no secret whatsoever. It was all over the sports channels. While Meyer was at Utah, and Notre Dame had done initial interviews, they sent one of their private planes to Utah to escort Meyer to South Bend. He said no thank you. 

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You do know that Meyer spent 4 seasons as an assistant at ND under Lou Holtz, right? He’s quite familiar with the culture at Notre Dame, and they are familiar with him. I just don’t think that he wants to have a hand tied behind his back as far as recruiting goes.

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23 minutes ago, Bobref said:

You do know that Meyer spent 4 seasons as an assistant at ND under Lou Holtz, right? He’s quite familiar with the culture at Notre Dame, and they are familiar with him. I just don’t think that he wants to have a hand tied behind his back as far as recruiting goes.

Well considering that Meyer is a catholic and has stated on National television that "Notre Dame is my "dream job", I'll go even further back than that (4 seasons at ND as an assistant).  Did you know while he was a DB and placeholder at the University of Cincinnati, he interned one year at St X under Coach Steve Rasso?  He was a DB coach for Rasso.  I just found that out recently.  I only bring that up because of your St. X ties.  Then later in his head coaching career when Charlie Weiss was rumored to be canned at Notre Dame in 2009, Meyer's name was linked to Notre Dame while the head coach at Florida.  He held a press conference and stated, "I will stay at Florida as long as they will have me".  And we all know ND hired Chip Kelly.  I find it amusing that Kelly is now rumored to get canned and once again Meyer's name is being tossed around as the replacement.  Since he is unemployed as a head coach, I have to wonder if he will take his "dream job" if it is offered again.  I'm sure he'll have some kind of game plan in place (the recruiting standards thing) BEFORE he would accept.  He is dealing with some health issues or should I say, "it has been reported" so maybe he'll just keep his current job on TV as an analyst.  Either way, could you agree it's time to move on from Kelly?  There has been some success there, but not what I thought there would be and I'm not even an Irish fan.

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9 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

Well considering that Meyer is a catholic and has stated on National television that "Notre Dame is my "dream job", I'll go even further back than that (4 seasons at ND as an assistant).  Did you know while he was a DB and placeholder at the University of Cincinnati, he interned one year at St X under Coach Steve Rasso?  He was a DB coach for Rasso.  I just found that out recently.  I only bring that up because of your St. X ties.  Then later in his head coaching career when Charlie Weiss was rumored to be canned at Notre Dame in 2009, Meyer's name was linked to Notre Dame while the head coach at Florida.  He held a press conference and stated, "I will stay at Florida as long as they will have me".  And we all know ND hired Chip Kelly.  I find it amusing that Kelly is now rumored to get canned and once again Meyer's name is being tossed around as the replacement.  Since he is unemployed as a head coach, I have to wonder if he will take his "dream job" if it is offered again.  I'm sure he'll have some kind of game plan in place (the recruiting standards thing) BEFORE he would accept.  He is dealing with some health issues or should I say, "it has been reported" so maybe he'll just keep his current job on TV as an analyst.  Either way, could you agree it's time to move on from Kelly?  There has been some success there, but not what I thought there would be and I'm not even an Irish fan.

Kelly is a good coach, no doubt about it. It becomes a question of whether filling the stadium every game and winning 10 games a year is enough. It would be for most people. But it’s clear by now - with a relatively large sample size - that he is unable to win the really significant games needed to push the Irish to the level of Alabama,  Clemson, Oklahoma, etc. Remember, “good is the enemy of better.” 
 

And I have no “St. X ties.” I went to Lakewood St. Edward. St. X is a sworn enemy.

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1 minute ago, Bobref said:

Kelly is a good coach, no doubt about it. It becomes a question of whether filling the stadium every game and winning 10 games a year is enough. It would be for most people. But it’s clear by now - with a relatively large sample size - that he is unable to win the really significant games needed to push the Irish to the level of Alabama,  Clemson, Oklahoma, etc. Remember, “good is the enemy of better.” 

And I also remember, "dance with who you brought".  For now, Kelly is their dance partner.  If the Notre Dame fan base is satisfied with what he's done, then so be it.  As far as football is concerned and the way the landscape is starting to look, Notre Dame will become a distant memory because they will get left behind.  Notice I said football.  And again, even though I am not a fan, I think that would be a shame if they fell into oblivion.  THEY NEED TO FIND THE NEXT KNUTE!!! 

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