Coin Toss

[SoIndRef]

I may have received some conflicting information.

 

I feel like at a clinic or an association meeting I attended we were told the coin toss was to be conducted with the coaches instead of team captains.  

 

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I was confused at the time.  

[Bobref]

3 hours ago, SoIndRef said:

I may have received some conflicting information.

 

I feel like at a clinic or an association meeting I attended we were told the coin toss was to be conducted with the coaches instead of team captains.  

 

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I was confused at the time.  

Correct.

[cloudofdust]

19 hours ago, Bobref said:

Correct.

Ok, I'm curious. Can you elaborate on this change?

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, cloudofdust said:

Ok, I'm curious. Can you elaborate on this change?

When you talk to the coaches together on the field, do the toss then.

[cloudofdust]

21 minutes ago, Bobref said:

When you talk to the coaches together on the field, do the toss then.

OK... I get the procedure, but why? Is it to just speed the process up?

This is a new change, correct?

Will captains be called as usual, or has that been omitted?

I'm certain this will be a surprise to some folks.

[Bobref]

Captains still come out for the mock toss.

[Irishman]

9 hours ago, cloudofdust said:

Ok, I'm curious. Can you elaborate on this change?

After having been a coach in a few games where we kicked off to start both halves (including a Regional playoff game), I am a huge fan of this change. 🙂

[Bobref]

25 minutes ago, Irishman said:

After having been a coach in a few games where we kicked off to start both halves (including a Regional playoff game), I am a huge fan of this change. 🙂

Exactly.

[US31]

11 hours ago, Irishman said:

After having been a coach in a few games where we kicked off to start both halves (including a Regional playoff game), I am a huge fan of this change. 🙂

I heard this (or words to this effect) from Jim Belden many years ago when talking about a kid he had to fire from the pregame coin toss.....

"Sometimes you can turn the ball over before the game starts"

Edited August 23, 2024 by US31

[Impartial_Observer]

So I worked an 8th grade game last night between two first year MS teams. The coach that won the toss said he wanted to KO, I just said, no, you’re deferring. 

[miner_35]

10 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

So I worked an 8th grade game last night between two first year MS teams. The coach that won the toss said he wanted to KO, I just said, no, you’re deferring. 

It has happened more with coaches for me than kids. I ever tried correcting the coach and he insisted he knew what he wanted to do. Boy was he in for a surprise with the second half started.

[JustRules]

On 8/22/2024 at 2:15 PM, cloudofdust said:

OK... I get the procedure, but why? Is it to just speed the process up?

This is a new change, correct?

Will captains be called as usual, or has that been omitted?

I'm certain this will be a surprise to some folks.

It was a change in 2020 with the COVID changes and it has not been changed. Apparently the state likes it and probably has feedback from the coaches to keep it. If you are still doing the old method with captains, you have been wrong for a few years.

[gindie]

40 minutes ago, JustRules said:

It was a change in 2020 with the COVID changes and it has not been changed. Apparently the state likes it and probably has feedback from the coaches to keep it. If you are still doing the old method with captains, you have been wrong for a few years.

OK, what I saw in a game now makes sense.  For OT, the coaches went out for the coin toss.  I didn't realize that the captains meeting at the beginning of the game was a reenactment.

[rob]

Yeah, I was told that you didn't want the coach mad at the kid for making a bad decision or miscommunicating.  Or, blaming his poor decision on the kid.

[snrmike]

On 8/24/2024 at 12:07 AM, gindie said:

OK, what I saw in a game now makes sense.  For OT, the coaches went out for the coin toss.  I didn't realize that the captains meeting at the beginning of the game was a reenactment.

By rule, each HC and one captain each attend the toss for the overtime. It has been that way since I started officiating 35 years ago.  The current pregame procedure is the best - as has been mentioned by others here.  There's a lot less drama when we do the pregame toss with the head coaches.