Sharpe Out At Noblesville

[jets]

1 hour ago, Coach Radican said:

Got some info on this job.   Noblesville will hold interviews and do their vetting process as normal going forward.    If a coach wants that job he will have to apply and sit for the interview.  Those are happening in early December.   Decision will be made and will go to the board for approval in early January.  So it's going to happen in a relatively short period.     It's not a given on who will get hired.   The names I have been told are good coaches, have won at other schools and range in age and experience.    I know this is vague but we can't name dudes on here.   The Carmel job opening will probably change things slightly in my opinion.    While the other HCC powerhouse schools are doing their thing year in and year out, the Miller job is prime for some success.   As I stated in an earlier post, they have the facilities, community interest and administration support to be a winner.    From what I have been told they don't want to hit a home run here, but the absolutely want to to get the right guy.   Getting the right guy will be imperative on how they move forward.   If they settle on a name or a "flash in the pan" guy then expect to see more of the same from Cumberland Rd.   But in order for them to overtake Westfield,  Brownsburg, HSE and Fishers they will have to make sure it's done right. 

Very political word choice there....reading between the lines

I liked how the wording has changed from "community support" to "community interest" ....meaning, you'll have their SUPPORT only if you WIN, and run a system in which they approve! 

Tread lightly 

[Coach Radican]

That's fair Jets.  But honestly, winning is the ultimate fix to anything.   Systems don't matter.  If Noblesville had ripped off 5 straight HCC titles and a bunch of post season success then we wouldn't be posting about it here right?    Community interest never waivered in that town.  They still show up, cheer, tailgate and follow the team.    Support would have come if the wins were there.   If they ran a system that everyone wanted and lost, we would still be talking about the same thing.   Winning is the answer, especially in the HCC.   

[JQWL]

There is a post on John Harrell Proboards that appears to be from a Noblesville Youth Coach. I think the post itself is pretty telling as to what issues are there.

[jets]

39 minutes ago, JQWL said:

There is a post on John Harrell Proboards that appears to be from a Noblesville Youth Coach. I think the post itself is pretty telling as to what issues are there.

Care to elaborate for those of us who don't have access to that board? 

[JQWL]

I think everyone who coaches knows this type of guy. The youth coach that complains the entire time on Friday nights. The guy who played a little bit in high school but doesn't really know football. If this is the type of coach their youth program consists of, no wonder he wasn't successful. I love his line; we are forced to run an offense for which the kids aren't suited. It's the T. You're blocking defenders and running the football. If you don't have kids who can block and run the ball, what offense are you suited for? Noblesville hasn't had a winning season in 20 years. It's not all Dave Sharpe's fault. 

Edited November 14, 2024 by JQWL

[crimsonace1]

14 minutes ago, JQWL said:

I think everyone who coaches knows this type of guy. The youth coach that complains the entire time on Friday nights. The guy who played a little bit in high school but doesn't really know football. If this is the type of coach their youth program consists of, no wonder he wasn't successful. I love his line; we are forced to run an offense for which the kids aren't suited. It's the T. You're blocking defenders and running the football. If you don't have kids who can block and run the ball, what offense are you suited for? Noblesville hasn't had a winning season in 20 years. It's not all Dave Sharpe's fault. 

Heck, even at high schools where they run the most "modern" spread with tons of RPO actions, the youth programs 6th grade and below are often running some version of an under center Wing-T, double-wing or I-formation offense, because it's about blocking defenders, running the football and most kids that age aren't really well-suited to passing yet. 

[Obi-Wan]

It reads like a dad who is the coach and wants his kid to get the majority of the touches on offense. I feel like most youth teams that aren't given direction from the head coach tend to run the T or some variation of single wing or wing t so how is there constraint?

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, JQWL said:

There is a post on John Harrell Proboards that appears to be from a Noblesville Youth Coach. I think the post itself is pretty telling as to what issues are there.

 

12 minutes ago, JQWL said:

I think everyone who coaches knows this type of guy. The youth coach that complains the entire time on Friday nights. The guy who played a little bit in high school but doesn't really know football. If this is the type of coach their youth program consists of, no wonder he wasn't successful. I love his line; we are forced to run an offense for which the kids aren't suited. It's the T. You're blocking defenders and running the football. If you don't have kids who can block and run the ball, what offense are you suited for? Noblesville hasn't had a winning season in 20 years. It's not all Dave Sharpe's fault. 

Like a youth coach who thinks they know everything. At least that seems what it is in that post.

I will state very clearly: One of the BEST programs in the State of Indiana is Center Grove. Their youth program is also one of the best in the State. They run the Wing T in their Bantham League and with their Junior Trojans. You have seen them at the High School level run a little more spread because they have been blessed with some QB's that bring a skill set for that. Their bread and butter has been the Wing T and I would bet every player on their varsity roster can line up in the Wing T and run plays out of it in their sleep because they have been doing it since the 2nd grade. The youth coaches have to buy into it. The Power T as well as the Wing T can lend itself to youth football because you don't need giant lines to run it. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grade should be about teaching it after that they should know it well.

[vicvinegar]

6 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

 

Like a youth coach who thinks they know everything. At least that seems what it is in that post.

I will state very clearly: One of the BEST programs in the State of Indiana is Center Grove. Their youth program is also one of the best in the State. They run the Wing T in their Bantham League and with their Junior Trojans. You have seen them at the High School level run a little more spread because they have been blessed with some QB's that bring a skill set for that. Their bread and butter has been the Wing T and I would bet every player on their varsity roster can line up in the Wing T and run plays out of it in their sleep because they have been doing it since the 2nd grade. The youth coaches have to buy into it. The Power T as well as the Wing T can lend itself to youth football because you don't need giant lines to run it. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grade should be about teaching it after that they should know it well.

This is 100% correct. A lot of people seem to ignore CG when it comes to this topic. 

[tango]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:49 AM, jets said:

Yes - so to clarify - Noblesville has great community support for the Miller's - as long as you run an offensive system to their liking. 

Or just win a few more games. When other sports in your program are competing for state titles, it puts pressure on the ones that aren't to step up. 

[crimsonace1]

9 minutes ago, Obi-Wan said:

It reads like a dad who is the coach and wants his kid to get the majority of the touches on offense. I feel like most youth teams that aren't given direction from the head coach tend to run the T or some variation of single wing or wing t so how is there constraint?

It reminds me of when I used to coach girls basketball and we'd coach some of our junior high travel teams. We'd spend our time teaching fundamentals and we'd play man-to-man defense because we knew it would teach our kids to *learn to play defense.* We're still learning how to dribble, pass and shoot. 

Invariably, you'd run into some daddy-ball coaches with backwards hats who did nothing but full-court press and play 2-3 zone in a sixth-grade girls "B" game with a lot of beginner players, and they'd be over there congratulating themselves on their coaching acumen because press would yield 4-5 steals for layups a game. I always took satisfaction when our kids would beat theirs in high school games a few years later, because we'd actually spent time drilling fundamentals instead of teaching them defense consisted of making one trap and then getting a steal, which works in sixth grade but doesn't work as well with 11th graders. 

[Obi-Wan]

The more I read the JH post it makes my brain hurt. Great high school programs have a great youth program where the coaches buy into vison and philosophy like CG. It sounds like the Noblesville youth coaches know what's best and would rather do that then help build the success.

[1st_and_10]

11 minutes ago, Obi-Wan said:

The more I read the JH post it makes my brain hurt. Great high school programs have a great youth program where the coaches buy into vison and philosophy like CG. It sounds like the Noblesville youth coaches know what's best and would rather do that then help build the success.

Because those "coaches" think it's more important to win some rec league game than get the kids prepared for Jr High/High School.  Our Head Coach is directly involved with our youth program.  We are also told that wins/losses don't matter at the youth level.  The main objective for the youth coaches is to keep the kids coming back and make sure the kids get on the field.  If you win at the youth level and your high school isn't successful, are you really benefitting the program or just your ego?

[BDGiant93]

On 11/7/2024 at 12:59 PM, FastpacedO said:

spread can be great unless you are a passing team in some inclement weather in November. Then you better be able to run the football well.

Coach Moore adapted...and they can still pop into that Wing-T faster than you can say, "Ope!"

[FastpacedO]

11 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

Coach Moore adapted...and they can still pop into that Wing-T faster than you can say, "Ope!"

Yes CG has had some terrific QB talent the past few years that have skill set to be able to run some spread.

When they pop into the Wing T it is almost like they could do it blindfolded.

[tango]

1 hour ago, 1st_and_10 said:

Because those "coaches" think it's more important to win some rec league game than get the kids prepared for Jr High/High School.  Our Head Coach is directly involved with our youth program.  We are also told that wins/losses don't matter at the youth level.  The main objective for the youth coaches is to keep the kids coming back and make sure the kids get on the field.  If you win at the youth level and your high school isn't successful, are you really benefitting the program or just your ego?

Two goals in youth and MS football: (1) have fun; and (2) come back next year. 

[Obi-Wan]

1 hour ago, 1st_and_10 said:

Because those "coaches" think it's more important to win some rec league game than get the kids prepared for Jr High/High School.  Our Head Coach is directly involved with our youth program.  We are also told that wins/losses don't matter at the youth level.  The main objective for the youth coaches is to keep the kids coming back and make sure the kids get on the field.  If you win at the youth level and your high school isn't successful, are you really benefitting the program or just your ego?

I coached with guys like the one in the post. The biggest headache in the world to be working on development and all you are hearing is development doesn't win at that age.

[Popcorn1]

I am the guy who posted on Harrells site. Not like I need to hide behind a user name in the forum, so my name is Trevor Planck. I coached 5th/6th grade rec and 6th Grade All-Stars with NEFL even though my son didn't play this year. I did it for the kids and the love of teaching the correlation between sports and life. I took time out of my life for the community as a whole. But I digress.

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind words. It is a breath of fresh air to see such kindness thrown around about someone sharing their opinion of the local football program from an insiders perspective. I appreciate all of the assumptions about me and got a kick out of most of it. Read what I said in the other forum again. Critically think about it. Your responses regarding my post make me question why I coach in the first place. Probably why daddy ball truly exists because good people like me don't want to coach because of the assumptions that are made. 

 

[slicercoach]

LaPorte has been playing football for over 100 years. Dave Sharpe was there for 4 of them. His Power T offense produced 3 of the top 5 offenses in school history. The other 2 were the 2014 state runner up team and the 2006 regional championship team. 

In his last 3 years at Noblesville his offenses averaged 350 yards per game and 25 points per game (via MaxPreps).

So can we quit "blaming" it on the offense? There's a lot more to winning football games!

[FastpacedO]

On 11/14/2024 at 4:09 PM, Popcorn1 said:

I am the guy who posted on Harrells site. Not like I need to hide behind a user name in the forum, so my name is Trevor Planck. I coached 5th/6th grade rec and 6th Grade All-Stars with NEFL even though my son didn't play this year. I did it for the kids and the love of teaching the correlation between sports and life. I took time out of my life for the community as a whole. But I digress.

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind words. It is a breath of fresh air to see such kindness thrown around about someone sharing their opinion of the local football program from an insiders perspective. I appreciate all of the assumptions about me and got a kick out of most of it. Read what I said in the other forum again. Critically think about it. Your responses regarding my post make me question why I coach in the first place. Probably why daddy ball truly exists because good people like me don't want to coach because of the assumptions that are made. 

 

I re-read it a couple of times. I still have the same conclusion.

Again I will reiterate the style of offense isn't the issue. Center Grove Bantam and Center Grove IEFA have proven that the Wing T not unlike the Power T can be highly successful at the Youth, Middle School, and High School level. The system has to be bought into by the coaches and taught to the kids. I also reiterate that they both lend themselves easily to no matter what the skill type is for your players. It is proven there are clinics on it. 

[JQWL]

On 11/14/2024 at 4:09 PM, Popcorn1 said:

I am the guy who posted on Harrells site. Not like I need to hide behind a user name in the forum, so my name is Trevor Planck. I coached 5th/6th grade rec and 6th Grade All-Stars with NEFL even though my son didn't play this year. I did it for the kids and the love of teaching the correlation between sports and life. I took time out of my life for the community as a whole. But I digress.

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind words. It is a breath of fresh air to see such kindness thrown around about someone sharing their opinion of the local football program from an insiders perspective. I appreciate all of the assumptions about me and got a kick out of most of it. Read what I said in the other forum again. Critically think about it. Your responses regarding my post make me question why I coach in the first place. Probably why daddy ball truly exists because good people like me don't want to coach because of the assumptions that are made. 

 

Trevor, I appreciate you posting on here. I am glad that after reading the comments, you question why you coach in the first place. If nothing else, progress is being made. Have a good evening.

[BDGiant93]

On 11/14/2024 at 1:39 PM, FastpacedO said:

Yes CG has had some terrific QB talent the past few years that have skill set to be able to run some spread.

When they pop into the Wing T it is almost like they could do it blindfolded.

Some? They're primarily Spread now.

[jets]

On 11/14/2024 at 4:09 PM, Popcorn1 said:

I am the guy who posted on Harrells site. Not like I need to hide behind a user name in the forum, so my name is Trevor Planck. I coached 5th/6th grade rec and 6th Grade All-Stars with NEFL even though my son didn't play this year. I did it for the kids and the love of teaching the correlation between sports and life. I took time out of my life for the community as a whole. But I digress.

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind words. It is a breath of fresh air to see such kindness thrown around about someone sharing their opinion of the local football program from an insiders perspective. I appreciate all of the assumptions about me and got a kick out of most of it. Read what I said in the other forum again. Critically think about it. Your responses regarding my post make me question why I coach in the first place. Probably why daddy ball truly exists because good people like me don't want to coach because of the assumptions that are made. 

 

Don't want to get on here and engage in a back-and-forth. Not sure what that would accomplish and you've made your feelings pretty apparent in regards to Coach and his scheme. 

I will just push back and point out that "scheme" has won PLENTY of State Championships at the HS LEVEL. And As many have pointed out, YOUTH football shouldn't be all about trophies. I may not be correct, but I think our current senior class only won something like 1 game at the MS levels, but just finished a pretty successful 8-3 season with our only 3 losses being to the #1, #2, and #3 ranked school in our class. 

You most certainly can have your personal opinions on the offensive philosophy (as you stated...it wasn't an "unpopular philosophy, it was a BAD philosophy" ) 

Being a head coach, I would imagine that would be difficult feelings to have in the youth organization and trying to build up a program. 

BTW, I don't know that much about Noblesville - but didn't they have some DI lineman come through the ranks during Sharpe's tenure. I'm not real smart, but this scheme would seem pretty well suited for good offensive lineman, no?? 

Appreciate your transparency on the situation - just don't agree with it. 

Moving on...

 

 

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

Some? They're primarily Spread now.

Yes they have been especially with the QB's they have had the last few years.

They still Run Wing T at the lower levels and I am sure will make the jump back at the H.S. level if they do not have the QB to run the spread like they have been.

[slicer28]

On 11/15/2024 at 1:18 PM, slicercoach said:

LaPorte has been playing football for over 100 years. Dave Sharpe was there for 4 of them. His Power T offense produced 3 of the top 5 offenses in school history. The other 2 were the 2014 state runner up team and the 2006 regional championship team. 

In his last 3 years at Noblesville his offenses averaged 350 yards per game and 25 points per game (via MaxPreps).

So can we quit "blaming" it on the offense? There's a lot more to winning football games!

Noblesville under Dave Sharpe (5 seasons): 23.1 PPG on offense (average SOS 9.6)

Noblesville before Dave Sharpe (5 seasons): 16.4 PPG on offense (average SOS 9)