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12 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Your anecdotal stories mean nothing.  You started out saying that 99.99595% of Indiana residents have not tested positive for coronavirus. Then you stated that a similar % have not died from coronavirus. Quite a goalpost move.

What percentage of Indiana residents have been tested for coronavirus? Without knowing that number, your first claim is absolutely meaningless. Yet you keep repeating it.

The percentage of Indiana residents tested does not change the fact that 99.99595% have not tested positive for the coronavirus or 99.99976% have not died from the coronavirus . This is the third time you have asked what percentage of Indiana residents have been tested "yet you keep repeating it". You can go to the website and look it up.

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Trump has been taking hydroxychloroquine as preventative measure for the past two weeks.

 

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16 minutes ago, Howe said:

The percentage of Indiana residents tested does not change the fact that 99.99595% have not tested positive for the coronavirus

It changes the validity of the "statistic" you keep touting. In fact, one could say that 99.99595% have not tested positive, because that same percentage have not been tested.

Since you don't want to answer my original question, it tells me you know the answer, and it doesn't fit your narrative. 

10 minutes ago, Howe said:

Trump has been taking hydroxychloroquine as preventative measure for the past two weeks.

Fantastic news. He's safe from malaria, but may keel over from heart problems.

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Hacksawing the Economy: How Lockdowns Are in the Tradition of Civil War Surgeons

https://mises.org/wire/hacksawing-economy-how-lockdowns-are-tradition-civil-war-surgeons

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Politicians and government health officials’ justification for decreeing shutdowns of vast swaths of American life has been deterring the spread of COVID-19. According to Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell, almost 40 percent of households earning less than $40,000 per year have a member who has lost their job in recent months. Depression, drug abuse, and suicide are spiking as a result of the lockdowns and “shelter-in-place” commands.

Infection rates and deaths have soared despite severe restrictions on daily life. However, politicians and government health officials continue to claim victory because otherwise more people would have been infected by COVID-19. Most of the media coverage applauds politicians and officials who champion extending lockdowns regardless of the collateral damage to American life.

The political response to COVID-19 is eerily similar to Civil War surgeons’ rationales. Amputation was the most common surgical practice during that war, and more than fifty thousand soldiers had limbs hacked off after battles. Amputation was a reflexive “solution,” because limbs were sometimes shattered by Minié balls and also because that was the only trick that many untrained “surgeons” knew. Surgeons were derided as butchers and were usually utterly negligent about hygiene, leading to far more unnecessary deaths.

Surgeons justified fetching out their hacksaws, because otherwise many soldiers would die from their gangrened wounds. It didn’t matter how many soldiers died from unnecessary or botched amputations as long as surgeons didn’t get blamed for deaths from gangrene.

Politicians in many states are justifying their COVID-19 shutdowns with rationales that resemble those surgeons’. It doesn’t matter how many individuals lose their jobs, businesses, or robust health due to the shutdowns. As long as politicians claim that things would be worse if they had not amputated much of the economy, they can pirouette as saviors.

Actually, there is a closer analogy between the Civil War surgeons and contemporary politicians. Politicians have razed much of the economy purportedly to prevent anyone from getting infected at some unknown point in the future. This is like a Civil War surgeon sending his assistants to roam the countryside to seize hapless young men and saw off their arms in order to prevent them from being casualties in future battles.

Here’s how New York governor Andrew Cuomo justified shutting down his state’s economy and confining almost 20 million people to their homes two months ago: “If everything we do saves just one life, I’ll be happy.” At the time of Cuomo’s decree, five or fewer people had tested positive for coronavirus in most counties in New York State. Cuomo’s formula exemplifies how politicians reap media applause for dramatic actions that have little or nothing to do with public safety.

At the same time that Cuomo practically put his state under house arrest, he also ordered New York nursing homes to admit COVID patients. His disastrous dictate contributed to the more than five thousand COVID deaths in New York nursing homes. Cuomo absolves himself, because some states have a higher percentage of COVID fatalities occurring in nursing homes than does New York—but no state has anywhere near five thousand dead in nursing homes. Most of the media is still scoring Cuomo as a heroic benefactor thanks to his shutdown to save “just one life.”

“We have saved lives” is also the self-exoneration trumpeted by Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer after she imposed the most punitive restrictions in the nation. Whitmer prohibited “all public and private gatherings of any size” (prohibiting people from visiting friends) and also prohibited purchasing seeds for spring planting in stores after she decreed that a “nonessential” activity. (Purchasing state lottery tickets was still an “essential” activity, though.) Many Michigan counties have less than a handful of COVID cases and have had few if any fatalities. But their economies have been obliterated by Whitmer’s statewide decrees, which have driven unemployment up to 24 percent.

In the old days, politicians could always put forward some economist who had discovered a Keynesian “multiplier” to justify more boondoggle spending. Nowadays, “science” is the magic word used to justify any and every restriction on American freedom.

Whitmer, for instance, exonerates herself: “We’ve got to make decisions based on where the science leads us.” Unfortunately, the COVID-19 pandemic has already seen a long series of debacles by “science.” The national response to the coronavirus threat was sabotaged, because incompetent Centers for Disease Control scientists contaminated key samples for creating a test in February and because Food and Drug Administration scientist-bureaucrats blocked innovative private testing. It is also difficult to treat scientists’ warnings and forecasts as originating on Mt. Sinai when there is fierce dispute among experts about the most prudent policies to curb the pandemic.

Another parallel with Civil War surgeons is that contemporary politicians pay no price for the unnecessary damage they inflict. Many crippled Union and Confederate soldiers spent decades hobbling around after the war. It remains to be seen how many millions of Americans suffer long-term handicaps as a result of the draconian decrees now afflicting much of the nation. But it is unlikely that politicians will ever be held liable for the lives they have unnecessarily maimed.

After Civil War battles, the tents where surgeons did their sawing were renowned as one of the most horrible places that many soldiers ever encountered. Even those who recovered from their wounds were often left with perpetual nightmares over the screaming they heard and the sight of the gory stacks of severed arms and legs.

In contrast, the politicians and government health czars who have shut down much of the nation’s economy have not witnessed such traumatic venues. Instead, they have their meetings—perhaps on Zoom—and then issue decrees which their friends in the media are certain to applaud. Unemployment rates are rising even faster than the amputation piles of the 1860s. But the agony occurs far away from the palatial offices that governors enjoy—in quiet homes where families desperately agonize over pending rent and mortgage payments, and in the sinking businesses where owners see their life dreams dying week by week.

 

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17 hours ago, Irishman said:

Sure seems like you show bias in who you choose to call out and who you don't call out.....and at this point, I would even add who you choose to defend......interesting lol 

Howe and I don't text together. 

Howe and I don't have a negative posting history.  You do with Howe.  You have went after him a ton on GID.  I don't care what you think, he was hardly the only one with what could be perceived as "offensive posts", yet you went after him.  If you can see that selective behavior, then so be it.

I am pretty darn consistent.  Gonzo and I are on different ends of the political spectrum and there is no love loss between us.  

Good grief...if I would have know this would have gotten to you that much, where you can't stop responding (even on different threads) I would not said anything.  I was wrong to assume you could handle the feedback.

Can you let it go? 

 

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16 hours ago, gonzoron said:

What percentage of Indiana residents have been tested for coronavirus? 

 

 

 

Approx 2.68%

Another estimate is 2.73%

Depends on what figure is used for state population.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html

(CNN)President Donald Trump claimed Monday he is taking daily doses of hydroxychloroquine, a drug he's long touted as a potential coronavirus cure even as medical experts and the US Food and Drug Administration question its efficacy and warn of potentially harmful side effects.

Speaking at a meeting of restaurant executives, Trump said he began taking the antimalarial drug after consulting the White House doctor, though stopped short of saying his physician had actually recommended the drug.
"A couple of weeks ago, I started taking it," Trump said. He later said he'd been taking it every day for a week and a half.
The admission was a dramatic development in Trump's attempts to promote hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus, which began earlier in the outbreak and has been met with resistance from medical professionals.
Because the drug is prescribed to treat malaria and other conditions, Trump has cast it as safe and suggested coronavirus patients have little to lose by trying it.
But at least one study has shown the drug does not work against Covid-19 and could cause heart problems.
The study was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It follows a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that also showed the drug doesn't fight the virus.
Even before these reports were published, the FDA and the National Institutes of Health issued warnings about using the drug for coronavirus patients.
Trump said he hadn't been exposed, and that he started taking the drug because he had heard from frontline responders who sent him letters saying they were taking it preventatively.
"Here's my evidence: I get a lot of positive calls about it," Trump said.
Asked if the White House doctor recommended he begin taking hydroxychloroquine, Trump demurred.
"I asked him what do you think, he said, 'Well if you'd like it,' " the President told reporters.
The President's physician, Navy Cmdr. Sean Conley, alluded in a memo released Monday night to Trump's personal valet testing positive two weeks ago for coronavirus. While Conley didn't say directly that Trump started taking hydroxychloroquine in response to the valet testing positive, the timing mentioned by Trump and the positive test match up.
"After numerous discussions, he and I had regarding the evidence for and against the use of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the potential benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks," Conley wrote, adding that Trump has taken multiple tests for coronavirus -- all negative -- and remains symptom free.
While Trump admitted he doesn't know if the drug works, he claimed "if it doesn't, you're not going to get sick and die."
The FDA has warned against the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat the novel coronavirus and said they should only be used in hospitals or clinical trials because they can kill or cause serious side effects. These include serious heart rhythm problems in Covid-19 patients treated with the drugs, especially when they are combined with the antibiotic azithromycin or other medications that can affect the heart.
Trump has a common form of heart disease, based on the results of his physical.
In an interview on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday night, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the unproven nature of the drug and its questioned effectiveness in treating Covid-19 worried her.
"As far as the President is concerned, he's our President and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and in his, shall we say, weight group, that is ... morbidly obese, they say. So I think it's not a good idea," Pelosi said. Trump does not qualify as morbidly obese based on the results of his physical.
Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat or prevent malaria and to treat autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
Trump began promoting it two months ago as coronavirus began spreading to every part of the country, setting in motion stay-at-home orders and shutting down the economy. He was encouraged by certain allies in conservative media, who also hailed the drug as a potential solution to the growing crisis.
But even some of Trump's closest medical advisers expressed caution, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, who voiced skepticism about touting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus before it could be adequately tested.
Recently, a US Health and Human Services whistleblower alleged he came under pressure from political leadership at HHS to make hydroxychloroquine widely available after Trump repeatedly proclaimed its potential benefits during his daily White House briefing

 

So the President is taking a medicine that he and his doctor have determined is right for him to take.  He didn't "announce" it.  It came up in his meeting with the restaurant industry representatives.  Now it has exploded since the Speaker of the House (who also doesn't have an M.D. after her name) along with the rest of the left wing doesn't think he should be taking it......

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/nancy-pelosi-not-a-good-idea-for-morbidly-obese-trump-to-take-hydroxychloroquine/

Speaker Nancy Pelosi remarked upon President Donald Trump’s personal health in criticizing his announcement that he’s taking hydroxychloroquine.

Pelosi joined Anderson Cooper on CNN Monday night, hours after the president’s comments, and offered a rather direct answer.

“He’s our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and his, shall we say, weight group — morbidly obese, they say,” Pelosi said.

“I think it’s not a good idea,” she added.

Now we are supposed to think she cares about the President......?  Now she is spreading a LIE about the President.  He ISN'T morbidly obese.  The doctor said that.....

First of all, this drug has been around for a long time with FDA approval, (who also approved it's use for this virus under a doctor's supervision) and any prescribed medicine is between the patient and the doctor.

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Texas Admitted It Can't Enforce Its COVID-19 Lockdown. More States Should Do The Same.

https://reason.com/2020/05/18/texas-admitted-it-cant-enforce-its-covid-19-lockdown-more-states-should-do-the-same/

 

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The extent and severity of the COVID-19 economic shutdowns vary from place to place, but the one thing almost all of them have in common is that they're not really enforceable.

We may have reached the point where most people are realizing that.

Case in point: The Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation has decided to drop 200 enforcement investigations into barbers and cosmetologists who returned to work in recent weeks, The Dallas Morning News reports. The department is also dropping 180 cases that had not moved past the complaint stage—so stop tattling on your neighborhood salons, Texans—which seems like a clear admission that enforcing the shutdown is simply untenable.

The turning point, in Texas at least, probably came a few weeks ago when a Dallas salon owner, Shelley Luther, was sentenced to seven days in jail for reopening her business on April 24. The outrage over Luther's arrest and sentencing eventually convinced Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, to remove jail time as a punishment for people who violated the state's stay-at-home order.

The licensing department has now gone a step farther, saying it will allow "the reopening of cosmetology and barbering establishments retroactively to April 2," wiping out any violations from the past six weeks.

In Wisconsin, where the state Supreme Court last week struck down a statewide stay-at-home order, counties are lifting their own lockdown orders due to "mounting confusion" over their legality. But the bigger question, again, might be their enforcability. I've seen a lot of coverage of Wisconsinites heading to bars in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling; I haven't seen much evidence that people are getting arrested for violating local shutdown orders.

And in Washington, more than 25,000 complaints about alleged lockdown violations were filed across the state, but as of May 8 the state had revoked exactly one business license.

As the days go on, expect to see more anecdotal evidence like this:

 

The government's role in all of this has always been more limited than either the bureaucrats drafting stay-at-home orders imagine or the protesters shouting about tyranny fear. Since forcibly quarantining 330 million people was never really possible, the lockdowns that have wrecked the economy and slowed the spread of COVID-19 over the past two months were ultimately based on voluntary compliance.

Don't get me wrong: There's been plenty of heavy-handed enforcement—in New York, in California, in Wisconsin, and in plenty of other places. But it's been ineffectual and perhaps even counterproductive, given that cops who get close enough to issue a citation or make an arrest are hardly practicing social distancing. (Imagine what a public health disaster it might be if they were somehow capable of detaining or fining everyone who broke quarantine.) It certainly isn't the reason people have been practicing social distancing. Research from FiveThirtyEight has shown pretty conclusively that most state-level stay-at-home orders came days or even weeks after most Americans were already staying home.

That remains true in places where governments are fighting to maintain lockdowns as compliance frays—like in Pennsylvania, where Gov. Tom Wolf has threatened businesses with the loss of their licenses if they go along with county-level reopening plans that move faster than his state-issued directives. And it remains true in places where lockdowns have already been lifted: In Georgia, restaurant reservations are still 90 percent lower than they were at this same time last year, according to data from OpenTable, even though Gov. Brian Kemp has lifted the lockdown.

The biggest benefit that comes from lifting stay-at-home orders is an end to the charade that such lockdowns can be enforced. Kemp didn't "reopen" Georgia. All he did was give people consumers and businesses permission to choose their own acceptable levels of risk—something they're doing anyway in every state.

Governments at all levels should continue to provide accurate information about what's relatively safe (like going to the beach or drinking outside) and what isn't (like getting together in big groups or using public transportation). But enforcement should be reserved for where it can actually work. An official order closing stadiums and the like seems reasonable. Jailing salon owners does not.

 

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49 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

Howe and I don't text together. 

Howe and I don't have a negative posting history.  You do with Howe.  You have went after him a ton on GID.  I don't care what you think, he was hardly the only one with what could be perceived as "offensive posts", yet you went after him.  If you can see that selective behavior, then so be it.

I am pretty darn consistent.  Gonzo and I are on different ends of the political spectrum and there is no love loss between us.  

Good grief...if I would have know this would have gotten to you that much, where you can't stop responding (even on different threads) I would not said anything.  I was wrong to assume you could handle the feedback.

Can you let it go? 

 

“Can you let go?” = let me post my negative comments about you and you should not respond......I get it. 
You like to accuse me of not being able to handle the feedback, yet here you are showing you cannot handle it. lol

I am guessing that you assume that gonzo is the one I was referring to as far as who I was texting? 

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3 hours ago, Irishman said:

“Can you let go?” = let me post my negative comments about you and you should not respond......I get it. 
You like to accuse me of not being able to handle the feedback, yet here you are showing you cannot handle it. lol

I am guessing that you assume that gonzo is the one I was referring to as far as who I was texting? 

At what part do you not get I don't care what you think.  Fire away man.  

Kind of going off the deep end man.  I shared with you a perception of that you singled out Howe.  Holy moly.  I guess that's a negative....pretty darn minor, but you are taking it like someone stole your last meal, slapped your momma, and ran off with your dog.  Whoa dude....

Not assuming anything....you posted about texting with your GID friends....I don't know who they are...and truly don't care.

I guess that is a "no" to the request to let it go.....

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Just now, TrojanDad said:

At what part do you not get I don't care what you think.  Fire away man.  

Kind of going off the deep end man.  I shared with you a perception of that you singled out Howe.  Holy moly.  I guess that's a negative....pretty darn minor, but you are taking it like someone stole your last meal, and ran off with your dog.  Whoa dude....

Not assuming anything....you posted about texting with your GID friends....I don't know who they are...and truly don't care.

I guess that is a "no" to the request to let it go.....

For someone that really does not care about the various things I have mentioned, you sure have spent a LOT of time responding. 

Again, I am not the only one who singled him out; yet you chose to provide "feedback" for me......but cannot handle it when I respond in kind. And yet, I am the one who may have to give up my man card....laughable at best. 

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57 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Again, I am not the only one who singled him out; yet you chose to provide "feedback" for me......

Only one moderator has ever posted comments regarding my "abrasive style". The few forum members who have responded are lefties so that comes as no surprise. I use a term to describe those who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome and refuse to apply common sense which triggers some on the left. I thought moderators were supposed to be neutral.

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12 minutes ago, Howe said:

Only one moderator has ever posted comments regarding my "abrasive style". The few forum members who have responded are lefties so that comes as no surprise. I use a term to describe those who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome and refuse to apply common sense which triggers some on the left. I thought moderators were supposed to be neutral.

So, based on that thinking....Muda is a moderator in this forum. Should he be neutral as well? he posts a LOT more than I do as far as opinions and articles. 

And to think that the few who have responded to you about your posting style being lefties is pretty funny....delusional, but funny. 

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1 hour ago, Irishman said:

For someone that really does not care about the various things I have mentioned, you sure have spent a LOT of time responding. 

Again, I am not the only one who singled him out; yet you chose to provide "feedback" for me......but cannot handle it when I respond in kind. And yet, I am the one who may have to give up my man card....laughable at best. 

Dude...only responding to your excessive responses.  Man, this really did hurt your feelings.  Wasn't my intent.  Was hoping you would take the feedback for what it was, apply it if it made sense, discarded it if it didn't and move on.  Assuming that would be the case is on me.  My bad.  Consider it lesson learned.

There is nothing you can't throw at me that I can't handle.  Nothing.  I didn't disagree with your feedback....and am not challenging you about anything you've stated about me.  I think you have me mistaken.  I may discard your feedback (which you always have the option for mine) but I sure am not complaining about anything you stated about me.

Serious question....are you really a moderator?  If so, I have never seen anything like this......

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1 minute ago, TrojanDad said:

Dude...only responding to your excessive responses.  Man, this really did hurt your feelings.  Wasn't my intent.  Was hoping you would take the feedback for what it was, apply it if it made sense, discarded it if it didn't and move on.  Assuming that would be the case is on me.  My bad.  Consider it lesson learned.

There is nothing you can't throw at me that I can't handle.  Nothing.  I didn't disagree with your feedback....and am not challenging you about anything you've stated about me.  I think you have me mistaken.  I may discard your feedback (which you always have the option for mine) but I sure am not complaining about anything you stated about me.

Serious question....are you really a moderator?  If so, I have never seen anything like this......

Feelings are not hurt at all. I read the original feedback; disagreed with it and stated my reasoning for doing so. I gave you feedback on your feedback, and you keep responding. I am not complaining about it at all. I am simply clarifying the critical point in your feedback. You claimed there was bias in who I choose to give feedback to. I pointed out the flaws in your thinking (feedback). That is it; nothing more. 

I am a moderator; so now you and Howe get to set the standards for how moderators are supposed to behave? As I replied to him, Muda is a moderator as well. You gonna call him out too? 

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11 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Feelings are not hurt at all. I read the original feedback; disagreed with it and stated my reasoning for doing so. I gave you feedback on your feedback, and you keep responding. I am not complaining about it at all. I am simply clarifying the critical point in your feedback. You claimed there was bias in who I choose to give feedback to. I pointed out the flaws in your thinking (feedback). That is it; nothing more. 

I am a moderator; so now you and Howe get to set the standards for how moderators are supposed to behave? As I replied to him, Muda is a moderator as well. You gonna call him out too? 

I have very limited moderator abilities, and only on the OOB forum.  To try and equate you and I in that regard is disingenuous.

Besides half the time I try to use those moderator abilities on the OOB forum you slap my hand.

 

 

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Gen Con 2020 canceled

https://www.indystar.com/story/entertainment/events/2020/05/19/gen-con-2020-canceled-what-you-need-know/5221875002/

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The best four days in gaming will not happen in 2020.

Officials announced Tuesday that Gen Con 2020 has been canceled because of health and safety concerns related to the coronavirus pandemic.

They also revealed that the nation's largest tabletop-game convention will continue to call Downtown Indianapolis for years to come.

Gen Con 2020 was scheduled to run from July 31 to Aug. 2 at the Indiana Convention Center & Lucas Oil Stadium. The event was expected to draw more than 70,000 attendees, building on attendance records set last year.

But with the coronavirus still claiming lives and infecting hundreds of new Hoosiers each day, organizers said they could not "in good conscience host a gathering of thousands while doing so could threaten the health of so many."

“Gen Con is the highlight of our year, and we know that it means as much to our attendees, exhibitors, event organizers and local partners as it does to us,” Gen Con president David Hoppe said in a statement. “But after carefully monitoring the situation and having ongoing conversations with experts and local government officials, it became clear that the only responsible option was to cancel the convention for this year.”

With the annual convention canceled, Team Gen Con announced that they would be hosting Gen Con Online in its place. The online event will run during the original Gen Con 2020 dates.

More details about Gen Con Online are coming soon, but organizers describe it as "a virtual convention featuring a slate of events and programming you can attend from the safety of your devices and in the comfort of your favorite quarantine sweatpants!"

...

Ok, now this pandemic shutdown stuff is getting serious.

 

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2 hours ago, Howe said:

Only one moderator has ever posted comments regarding my "abrasive style". The few forum members who have responded are lefties so that comes as no surprise. I use a term to describe those who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome and refuse to apply common sense which triggers some on the left. I thought moderators were supposed to be neutral.

I have criticized your style more than once ... and I’m not anyone’s example of a “lefty.”

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8 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I have criticized your style more than once ... and I’m not anyone’s example of a “lefty.”

I consider you to be a Democrat. All criticism has come after some one gets triggered over the word "libtard". 

 

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2 minutes ago, Howe said:

I consider you to be a Democrat. All criticism has come after some one gets triggered over the word "libtard". 

Either you’ve got the worst analytical skills of anyone on the GID, or you’re engaging in a “self-fulfilling prophecy.” Fact is, I haven’t voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since I was in law school. I voted for the Libertarian candidate last time.

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15 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Either you’ve got the worst analytical skills of anyone on the GID, or you’re engaging in a “self-fulfilling prophecy.” Fact is, I haven’t voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since I was in law school. I voted for the Libertarian candidate last time.

Didn't you know that 99.99595% of all GID OOB members are libtards?

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21 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Didn't you know that 99.99595% of all GID OOB members are libtards?

Not nearly that many however, there are a few.

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On 5/18/2020 at 5:41 PM, Howe said:

Trump has been taking hydroxychloroquine as preventative measure for the past two weeks.

 

The French Connection: Trump Family Trusts Are Invested in Hydroxychloroquine Maker

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-french-connection-trump-family-trusts-are-invested-in-hydroxychloroquine-maker/ar-BB12he2q?fbclid=IwAR0fNf2fnG875o7S317yXk0X5qQj7XXqf-uTb_1wmJecQvZei5gcvO2ttNg

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Dr. Daniel Wallace, a board-certified rheumatologist practicing at Cedars-Sinai medical center in Los Angeles, wrote that “hydroxychloroquine is a very safe drug” and has been given to “tens of millions” of people around the world since it was approved 65 years ago “and as monotherapy has not been associated with any deaths in the recommended dose.”

Wallace wrote, “In 42 years of practice, no patient of mine has ever been hospitalized for a complication,”

“He’s not alone. A lot of his colleagues agree with him,” Oz said. “When I spoke to [Dr.] Didier Raoult, the famous infectious disease specialist from France. He’s now acquired 1,000 patients on the combination of the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. 

“He also says the complications have been trivial, things like rashes, any minor issues, but this man was born in Africa and knows this drug very well because of the malaria he has faced in his practice and he says there's been a billion doses prescribed,” he said.

“It's not what they worry about, but Dr. Wallace said what was interesting and might catch the attention of the viewer is that in their protocols, they don't ever mention complications from hydroxychloroquine because they are so uncommon,”

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/melanie-arter/dr-oz-complications-hydroxychloroquine-were-trivial-rashes

https://attunehealth.com/our-staff/dr-wallace/

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