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I tried to take a crack one-man seeding committee, using Sagarin ratings, head-to-head matchups and other criteria a ratings committee might use. I would've pulled MaxPreps ratings in but I don't have unlimited time ;). This could be a fun exercise if we put a "seeding committee" together for each class. 

Anyway, here goes. 

Class 6A

Sectional 1

  1. Crown Point (8-0, 2-0 H2H)

  2. Lafayette Jeff (6-2, no H2H but has higher Sagarin than LC)

  3. Lake Central (4-4)

  4. Portage (1-7)

Sectional 2

  1. Carroll (8-0)

  2. Penn (6-2, has H2H win vs. Elkhart)

  3. Elkhart (7-1)

  4. Warsaw (6-2, has lowest Sagarin rating)

Sectional 3

  1. HSE (8-0, H2H win vs. Fishers)

  2. Fishers (5-3, higher Sagarin than Homestead)

  3. Homestead (4-4)

  4. Northrop (1-7)

Sectional 4

  1. Westfield (5-3, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Carmel (5-3, no games vs. sectional). Can split hairs between them & Westfield

  3. Zionsville (4-4, H2H win vs. Noblesville)

  4. Noblesville (2-6, 0-2 vs. sectional)

Sectional 5

  1. Brownsburg (8-0, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Ben Davis (5-3, 2-1 vs. sectional)

  3. Avon (1-7, has higher Sagarin)

  4. Pike (1-7, has lower Sagarin than Avon)

Sectional 6

  1. Cathedral (6-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Lawrence Central (4-4, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  3. Lawrence North (3-5, 1-1 vs. sectional, lost to LC)

  4. North Central (0-8)

Sectional 7

  1. Warren Central (4-4, has played 7 6A schools, highest Sagarin)

  2. Perry Meridian (3-5, win vs. Southport)

  3. Tech (1-7)

  4. Southport (0-8)

Sectional 8

  1. Center Grove (7-1, 7-0 vs. 6A teams)

  2. Franklin Central (3-5, but significantly higher Sagarin, 3 wins vs. 6A)

  3. Columbus North (4-4, but only 1-0 vs. 4A, lower Sagarin than FC)

  4. Jeffersonville (1-6)

Class 5A

Sectional 9

  1. Merrillville (7-1, 3-0 vs. 5A, highest Sagarin by far)

  2. Hammond Central (6-2, H2H win vs. Morton, higher Sagarin)

  3. Munster (3-5, H2H win vs. Morton)

  4. Hammond Morton (0-8)

Sectional 10 (this one is really tough, but they all play H2H and all 3 - Chesterton, LaPorte and Mich City - have identical Duneland records)

  1. Valparaiso (5-3, only team with winning record, 3-0 vs. sectional)

  2. LaPorte (2-6, 2-1 H2H vs. sectional)

  3. Michigan City (2-6, 1-2 vs. sectional)

  4. Chesterton (3-5, but 0-3 vs. sectional and 5A. Does have two 6A wins. Has higher Sagarin than LaPorte & Mich City)

Sectional 11

  1. Mishawaka (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Concord (3-5) 1-1 vs. sectional, H2H win vs. Goshen

  3. SB Adams (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Goshen

  4. Goshen (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, lower Sagarin than Adams

Sectional 12

  1. FW Snider (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. North Side

  2. FW North (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional, has H2H win vs. Dwenger

  3. FW Dwenger (5-3)

  4. Anderson (3-5)

Sectional 13

  1. Harrison (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Plainfield (3-5) Has H2H win vs. Decatur

  3. Decatur Central (3-5) H2H loss vs. Plainfield

  4. McCutcheon (2-6)

Sectional 14

  1. Whiteland (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Franklin (6-2). Higher Sagarin, good record in tough conference

  3. TH South (5-3). H2H win vs. North

  4. TH North (2-6)

Sectional 15

  1. Bloomington South (6-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Bloomington North (4-4) H2H win vs. East

  3. Columbus East (4-4) H2H win vs. Seymour

  4. Seymour (6-2). H2H loss vs. East, lower Sagarin

Sectional 16

  1. Castle (5-3) H2H win vs. North

  2. Evansville North (4-4). Higher Sagarin

  3. Floyd Central (3-5). Has a 5A win

  4. New Albany (2-6). 0-4 vs. 5A teams, lowest Sagarin by far

Class 4A

Sectional 17

  1. New Prairie (7-1). Best record, 3-0 vs. class, H2H win vs. Lowell

  2. Hobart (5-3) 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Culver, Lowell, KV, Highland

  3. Lowell (5-3). 2-2 vs. sectional. Wins vs. KV, Highland

  4. Gary West (6-2). 3-1 vs. 4A teams, 2-0 vs. sectional. Wins vs. Highland, EC

  5. Kankakee Valley (4-4). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Culver Academy (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Highland (2-6). Higher Sagarain than EC

  8. East Chicago (2-6). 

Sectional 18

  1. NorthWood (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional, unbeaten

  2. Northridge (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Wawasee & Plymouth. 

  3. Logansport (6-2). Better record but weaker schedule than Northridge

  4. SB Riley (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. Washington)

  5. SBSJ (2-6). Higher Sagarin

  6. Wawasee (1-7). Higher Sagarin, has a sectional win (vs. Plymouth)

  7. SB Washington (2-6). Low Sagarin

  8. Plymouth (0-8). Winless

Sectional 19

  1. Columbia City (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. DeKalb, NH, EN, Leo

  2. Leo (5-3). H2H win vs. Angola (also NH, EN)

  3. Angola (6-2). H2H loss vs. Leo, win vs. EN

  4. New Haven (4-4). Higher Sagarain, H2H win vs. EN & DeKalb

  5. East Noble (3-5). H2H win vs. DeKalb, 1-3 vs. sectional

  6. DeKalb (3-5). These flip if Wayne wins & DeKalb loses this weekend

  7. FW Wayne (2-6). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. South)

  8. FW South (0-8)

Sectional 20

  1. Kokomo (8-0)

  2. Western (5-3) Higher Sagarin than Miss

  3. Mississinewa (5-3) 

  4. Muncie Central (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional

  5. Huntington North (2-6) H2H win vs. Jay County

  6. Jay County (2-6)

  7. Frankfort (1-7)

  8. Marion (0-8)

Sectional 21

  1. Roncalli (7-1). Highest Sagarin

  2. Mooresville (6-2). Lower Sagarin than Brebeuf but better record vs. good schedule. Could flip based on weekend results. 2-0 vs. 4A

  3. Brebeuf (4-3). Good Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional, 1-1 vs. 4A. 

  4. Lebanon (6-2). No games vs. sectional, 2-0 vs. 4A

  5. Northview (5-3). Lower Sagarin than Lebanon

  6. Attucks (5-2). H2H wins vs. Shortridge & Washington

  7. Shortridge (4-4) H2H win vs. Washington

  8. Indpls. Washington (1-7)

Sectional 22

  1. New Palestine (8-0). H2H wins vs. PH, G-C, NC, MV

  2. Mt. Vernon (5-3). H2H win vs. G-C, PH, NC

  3. Greenfield-Central (5-3). H2H win vs. PH

  4. Pendleton Heights (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (W vs. New Castle)

  5. Beech Grove (4-4). Higher Sagarin than New Castle. 

  6. Connersville (4-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (Richmond)

  7. New Castle (2-6). Higher Sagarin & better record than Conn, but worse record

  8. Richmond (0-8)

Sectional 23

  1. East Central (7-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Martinsville (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (BNL, Greenwood)

  3. BNL (4-4). 1 win in sectional (vs. JC). Has better record than GW despite lower Sagarin

  4. Jennings County (2-6). Higher Sagarin than SC/Shelby/Edgewood

  5. Greenwood (1-7) Tough schedule, higher Sagarin. Can flip them & JC

  6. Silver Creek (3-5) Lower Sag but better record than Shelby

  7. Shelbyville (1-7) Higher Sagarin than Edgewood

  8. Edgewood (1-7)

Sectional 24

  1. Evansville Reitz (8-0). 5-0 vs. sectional

  2. Jasper (5-3) 3-2 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs Memorial, Central, Bosse. Loss to Harrison

  3. Evansville Memorial (5-3). 3-2 vs. sectional. H2H loss to Jasper

  4. Boonville (6-2). Has not played a 4A team this year. 4th in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Evansville Harrison (2-6). H2H wins vs. Jasper, Central

  6. Evansville Bosse (1-7). H2H win vs. Centra

  7. Evansville Central (0-8)

Class 3A

Sectional 25

  1. West Lafayette (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. Harrison

  2. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Play each other this weekend. Winner

  3. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Loser 

  4. Rensselaer (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (W vs. TL)

  5. River Forest (5-3). 1-2 vs. sectional (loss to Calumet, HC, W vs. BG)

  6. Griffith (3-5). H2H win vs. Boone Grove

  7. Boone Grove (3-5). 0-3 vs. sectional

  8. Twin Lakes (1-7)

Sectional 26

  1. Jimtown (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional. Plays a lot of larger schools

  2. Knox (5-3). 1-point loss to LaVille, tops in Sagarin

  3. West Noble (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional, Fairfield & Lakeland (7-6)

  4. Fairfield (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Lakeland

  5. Lakeland (3-5). Higher in Sagarin than Marian

  6. Mishawaka Marian (2-6). Mostly 4A/5A schedule, higher than Glenn in Sag

  7. Glenn (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional, win vs. Clay

  8. SB Clay (0-8)

Sectional 27

  1. Norwell (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Bellmont, Heritage)

  2. Yorktown (6-2). Higher Sagarin, plays mostly 4A schedule

  3. Heritage (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional (Woodlan, Belmont)

  4. Delta (3-5). Win vs. Columbia City. Plays mostly 4A schedule

  5. Woodlan (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional. Low Sagarin (7th in sectional)

  6. FW Concordia (3-5). Plays mostly 4A/5A schedule

  7. Garrett (1-7). Decent Sagarin, 0-0 vs. sectional, 1-2 vs. 3A

  8. Bellmont (0-8)

Sectional 28

  1. Indianapolis Chatard (5-3). Highest Sagarin by far despite record

  2. Oak Hill (8-0). Higher Sagarin than TV

  3. Tippecanoe Valley (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Peru, Maconaquah)

  4. Guerin Catholic (4-4). Tough schedule, 3rd in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Hamilton Heights (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (Northwestern)

  6. Maconaquah (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional (W Peru, L TV)

  7. Peru (2-6). 

  8. Northwestern (1-7)

Sectional 29

  1. Tri-West (6-2). 4-0 vs. sectional (WeBo, Danville, NM, Crawfordsville)

  2. Western Boone (7-1). 3-1 vs. sectional (H2H loss to TW)

  3. Speedway (5-3). 3rd in sectional in Sagarin. 

  4. Danville (3-5)/North Montgomery (4-4) winner

  5. Danville/North Montgomery loser

  6. Monrovia (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional. Higher Sagarin than CV

  7. Crawfordsville (2-6)

  8. Purdue Poly (3-5). Lower Sag than Monrovia, CV

Sectional 30

  1. Gibson Southern (8-0). Champs until knocked off

  2. Owen Valley (8-0). 1-0 vs. 4A

  3. Vincennes (4-4)

  4. Mt. Vernon (P) (4-4). Ower Sag than Vincennes

  5. Washington (2-6). H2H wins vs. Pike Central, Princeton, higher Sag

  6. West Vigo (3-5)

  7. Pike Central (1-7)

  8. Princeton (0-8)

Sectional 31

  1. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) winner

  2. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) loser

  3. Indian Creek (6-2). H2H win vs. Batesville

  4. Batesville (4-4). 3 wins vs. sectional (Rushville, Greensburg, FC)

  5. Centerville (6-2). Plays mostly 1A/2A schedule

  6. Franklin County (2-6). 2 wins vs. sectional

  7. Greensburg/Rushville winner (both 2-6)

  8. Greensburg/Rushville loser (both 2-6)

Sectional 32

  1. Southridge (7-1). Highest Sagarin by far

  2. Charlestown (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H W vs. NH

  3. North Harrison (6-2). 3-1 vs. sectional

  4. Heritage Hills (4-4). 2nd in Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional (Southridge)

  5. Madison (4-4). Higher Sagarin than Corydon

  6. Corydon (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional, wins vs. Scottsburg, Salem

  7. Salem (2-6) h2H win vs. Scottsburg

  8. Scottsburg (2-6) 0-4 vs. sectional

Class 2A
Sectional 33

  1. LaVille (8-0). Higher Sagarin, unbeaten

  2. Andrean (6-2). Slightly lower Sagarin than LaVille

  3. Bremen (4-4). HIgher Sagarin

  4. Whiting (3-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (win vs. Wheeler)

  5. Wheeler (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll

  6. Lake Station (3-5). 1-0 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll, lower Sag than Wheeler

  7. Hammond Noll (0-7)

Sectional 34

  1. Lafayette Catholic (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (Seeger, BC)

  2. Rochester (7-1). Lower Sag than LCC

  3. Cass (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (BC)

  4. Seeger (6-2). 0-2 vs. sectional (Ls LCC, BC)

  5. Benton Central (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional (Delphi, Seeger)

  6. Delphi (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Winamac (2-6)

Sectional 35

  1. Eastside (6-2). 3-0 vs. sectional (Busco, PH, CN)

  2. Churubusco (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H loss vs. Eastside

  3. FW Luers (4-4) 3rd in sectional in Sag

  4. Central Noble (2-6). H2H win vs. PH, losses to Busco, Eastside

  5. Prairie Heights (2-6). H2H win vs. Whitko

  6. Wabash (2-6). 7th in Sagarin, H2H win vs. Manchester

  7. Manchester (1-7). H2H win vs. Whitko

  8. Whitko (0-8)

Sectional 36

  1. Alexandria (5-3). 4-0 vs. sectional (Blackford, Eastbrook, Elwood, Frankton)

  2. Eastbrook (6-2). H2H loss vs. Alex

  3. Eastern (Greentown). Behind Eastbrook in Sag

  4. Bluffton (4-4). 3rd in Sag in sectional

  5. Frankton (2-6) 2-2 vs. sectional (Elwood, H2H win vs. Tipton)

  6. Tipton (3-5). 1-1 vs. Sectional (Elwood)

  7. Blackford (1-7)

  8. Elwood (0-8)

Sectional 37

  1. Linton (8-0)

  2. Southmont (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (NP)

  3. Sullivan (4-4). 3-1 vs. sectional (SV, Greencastle, NK)

  4. South Vermillion (6-2). 0-1 vs. sectional (Sullivan)

  5. Cascade (4-4). 4th in sectional in Sag

  6. Greencastle (4-4)/North Knox (3-5) (GC if it beats North Putnam)

  7. North Knox (3-5)/North Putnam (3-5) (NP if it wins Friday)

  8. North Putnam/Greencastle

Sectional 38

  1. Heritage Christian (5-3). Not as good of a record, but better schedule & Sagarin. 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. Northeastern (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (UC, Winchester, Shenandoah)

  3. Lapel (4-4). 1-1 vs. sectional

  4. Shenandoah (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (losses to 3 teams ahead of them)

  5. Eastern Hancock (3-5) 

  6. Winchester (3-5) - low Sagarin, but 1-1 vs. sectional (beat Union County)

  7. Union County (4-4) 

  8. Ritter (1-6)

Sectional 39

  1. Scecina (7-1). Beat TC H2H

  2. Triton Central (6-2). Has highest Sagarin of field

  3. Brownstown (5-3), winning record, 3rd best Sagarin

  4. Clarksville (3-5). Sagarin substantially better than rest of field

  5. Switzerland County (4-4)

  6. Eastern (Pekin) (1-7)

  7. Manual (3-5) Very weak schedule

  8. Brown County (0-8)

Sectional 40

  1. Evansville Mater Dei (6-2). Plays 5A schedule, has very good Sagarin

  2. Perry Central (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP, CC, Paoli)

  3. North Posey (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP)

  4. Paoli (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional (CC, Mitchell, loss to PC)

  5. Tell City (2-6). Actually has higher Sagarin that Paoli

  6. Forest Park (1-7)

  7. Mitchell (1-7)

  8. Crawford County (0-8)

Class A

Sectional 41

  1. North Judson (7-1). Good Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Triton (5-3). 3-1 vs. sectional (Culver, Pioneer, SC, oss to NJ)

  3. Culver (5-3) 2-2 vs. sectional (Ws SC, Pioneer; Ls Triton, NJ)

  4. South Newton (5-3). 2-0 vs. sectional (NN, SC)

  5. Pioneer (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Bowman Academy (3-4)

  7. South Central (1-7)

  8. North Newton (0-7)

Sectional 42

  1. Park Tudor (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (TP). Good Sagarin

  2. North Vermillion (5-3). 3-0 vs sect (Covington, Attica, FC)

  3. Clinton Prairie (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (CC)

  4. Traders Point (4-4). Decent schedule, 0-1 vs. sectional

  5. Fountain Central (2-6). 2-1 vs. sectional (Ws Attica, Covington)

  6. Covington (3-5). Lost to Fountain Central

  7. Clinton Central (0-8). Higher sagarin than Attica

  8. Attica (0-8)

Sectional 43

  1. Carroll (Flora) (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. West Central (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (Caston, TC, Frontier)

  3. Frontier (4-4). 2-1 vs. sectional (def NW H2H, TC, lost to WC)

  4. North White (5-2). 3-1 vs. sectional (Ws Taylor, Caston TC; L Frontier)

  5. Tri-Central (2-6). Close w/NW & Frontier in Sagarin. Lost to Carroll, beat Taylor

  6. Taylor (1-7)

  7. Tri-County (1-7)

  8. Caston (0-8) - if any of these three win this weekend, they jump to #6

Sectional 44

  1. Adams Central (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Adams (6-2). 2nd highest Sagarin

  3. Madison-Grant (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (SW)

  4. Southwood (6-2) 2-0 vs. sectional (NM, Northfield)

  5. Northfield (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional (Southwood)

  6. North Miami (3-5)

  7. Fremont (2-6)

  8. Southern Wells (0-8) - this sectional follows Sagarin

Sectional 45

  1. Sheridan (7-1). Clear #1 in Sagarin, 5-0 vs. Class A

  2. Monroe Central (5-2). Clear #2 in Sagarin, wins vs. UC, Wes-Del

  3. Hagerstown (5-3). Win vs. Union City

  4. Indiana Deaf (6-1). Can flip w/Hagerstown based on weekend results

  5. Union City (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, 2-3 vs. Class A

  6. Wes-Del (1-7). Win over Tindley, 1-4 vs. Class A

  7. Indianapolis Tindley (1-7). 0-4 vs. Class A

Sectional 46

  1. North Decatur (8-0). Clear-cut #1 in Sagarin. 

  2. Tri (7-1). Lone loss to 3A Centerville. 5-0 vs. Class A

  3. Milan (3-5). 3-4 vs. schools in larger classes

  4. Edinburgh (4-3). Close with Milan. H2H win vs. SD

  5. South Decatur (4-4). Low Sagarin, 0-2 vs. sectional (ND, Edinburgh)

  6. Knightstown (1-6). Win over CCL

  7. Cambridge City Lincoln (0-8)

Sectional 47

  1. Indianapolis Lutheran (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Putnam (7-1). Clear #2. 6-1 vs. larger classes

  3. Covenant Christian (5-3). Solid schedule. #3 in Sagarin

  4. Riverton Parke (6-2). H2H win over Parke Heritage

  5. North Central (Farmersburg) 1-6. Higher Sagarin

  6. Parke Heritage (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Cloverdale

  7. Cloverdale (1-7). Lowest Sagarin. 

Sectional 48

  1. Tecumseh (8-0). Highest Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional (SV, ND)

  2. Providence (6-1). 5-1 vs. higher classes. 2nd in Sagarin

  3. North Daviess (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (w/vs EG)

  4. West Washington (5-2). Better record & H2H win vs. SV

  5. Springs Valley (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional 

  6. South Spencer (4-4). Could put 4-5-6 in a blender

  7. Eastern Greene (1-7) 

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Interesting. Now how far in advance would matchups need to determined? Sec 48 for example ND and SV play Friday. I think SV wins. If WW beats Salem they would move to 3 presumably and ND would fall to 5 or maybe even 6. Would coaches be ok with 5 days notice of who their opp is?

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32 minutes ago, WWFan said:

Interesting. Now how far in advance would matchups need to determined? Sec 48 for example ND and SV play Friday. I think SV wins. If WW beats Salem they would move to 3 presumably and ND would fall to 5 or maybe even 6. Would coaches be ok with 5 days notice of who their opp is?

I would think if coaches had an idea of 2-3 teams who they might play, getting final confirmation on Saturday/Sunday for the next Friday would be ok.  Gone are the days of meeting an opposing coach in a truck stop or McDonald's parking lot to trade VHS tapes.  A few clicks, and film can shared digitally.  

It's not much different for some regionals and semi-states already.  Team A can win Friday night and have to wait until Saturday night to know which team wins the other regional/semi state. 

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1 hour ago, crimsonace1 said:

I tried to take a crack one-man seeding committee, using Sagarin ratings, head-to-head matchups and other criteria a ratings committee might use. I would've pulled MaxPreps ratings in but I don't have unlimited time ;). This could be a fun exercise if we put a "seeding committee" together for each class. 

Anyway, here goes. 

Class 6A

Sectional 1

  1. Crown Point (8-0, 2-0 H2H)

  2. Lafayette Jeff (6-2, no H2H but has higher Sagarin than LC)

  3. Lake Central (4-4)

  4. Portage (1-7)

Sectional 2

  1. Carroll (8-0)

  2. Penn (6-2, has H2H win vs. Elkhart)

  3. Elkhart (7-1)

  4. Warsaw (6-2, has lowest Sagarin rating)

Sectional 3

  1. HSE (8-0, H2H win vs. Fishers)

  2. Fishers (5-3, higher Sagarin than Homestead)

  3. Homestead (4-4)

  4. Northrop (1-7)

Sectional 4

  1. Westfield (5-3, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Carmel (5-3, no games vs. sectional). Can split hairs between them & Westfield

  3. Zionsville (4-4, H2H win vs. Noblesville)

  4. Noblesville (2-6, 0-2 vs. sectional)

Sectional 5

  1. Brownsburg (8-0, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Ben Davis (5-3, 2-1 vs. sectional)

  3. Avon (1-7, has higher Sagarin)

  4. Pike (1-7, has lower Sagarin than Avon)

Sectional 6

  1. Cathedral (6-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Lawrence Central (4-4, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  3. Lawrence North (3-5, 1-1 vs. sectional, lost to LC)

  4. North Central (0-8)

Sectional 7

  1. Warren Central (4-4, has played 7 6A schools, highest Sagarin)

  2. Perry Meridian (3-5, win vs. Southport)

  3. Tech (1-7)

  4. Southport (0-8)

Sectional 8

  1. Center Grove (7-1, 7-0 vs. 6A teams)

  2. Franklin Central (3-5, but significantly higher Sagarin, 3 wins vs. 6A)

  3. Columbus North (4-4, but only 1-0 vs. 4A, lower Sagarin than FC)

  4. Jeffersonville (1-6)

Class 5A

Sectional 9

  1. Merrillville (7-1, 3-0 vs. 5A, highest Sagarin by far)

  2. Hammond Central (6-2, H2H win vs. Morton, higher Sagarin)

  3. Munster (3-5, H2H win vs. Morton)

  4. Hammond Morton (0-8)

Sectional 10 (this one is really tough, but they all play H2H and all 3 - Chesterton, LaPorte and Mich City - have identical Duneland records)

  1. Valparaiso (5-3, only team with winning record, 3-0 vs. sectional)

  2. LaPorte (2-6, 2-1 H2H vs. sectional)

  3. Michigan City (2-6, 1-2 vs. sectional)

  4. Chesterton (3-5, but 0-3 vs. sectional and 5A. Does have two 6A wins. Has higher Sagarin than LaPorte & Mich City)

Sectional 11

  1. Mishawaka (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Concord (3-5) 1-1 vs. sectional, H2H win vs. Goshen

  3. SB Adams (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Goshen

  4. Goshen (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, lower Sagarin than Adams

Sectional 12

  1. FW Snider (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. North Side

  2. FW North (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional, has H2H win vs. Dwenger

  3. FW Dwenger (5-3)

  4. Anderson (3-5)

Sectional 13

  1. Harrison (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Plainfield (3-5) Has H2H win vs. Decatur

  3. Decatur Central (3-5) H2H loss vs. Plainfield

  4. McCutcheon (2-6)

Sectional 14

  1. Whiteland (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Franklin (6-2). Higher Sagarin, good record in tough conference

  3. TH South (5-3). H2H win vs. North

  4. TH North (2-6)

Sectional 15

  1. Bloomington South (6-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Bloomington North (4-4) H2H win vs. East

  3. Columbus East (4-4) H2H win vs. Seymour

  4. Seymour (6-2). H2H loss vs. East, lower Sagarin

Sectional 16

  1. Castle (5-3) H2H win vs. North

  2. Evansville North (4-4). Higher Sagarin

  3. Floyd Central (3-5). Has a 5A win

  4. New Albany (2-6). 0-4 vs. 5A teams, lowest Sagarin by far

Class 4A

Sectional 17

  1. New Prairie (7-1). Best record, 3-0 vs. class, H2H win vs. Lowell

  2. Hobart (5-3) 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Culver, Lowell, KV, Highland

  3. Lowell (5-3). 2-2 vs. sectional. Wins vs. KV, Highland

  4. Gary West (6-2). 3-1 vs. 4A teams, 2-0 vs. sectional. Wins vs. Highland, EC

  5. Kankakee Valley (4-4). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Culver Academy (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Highland (2-6). Higher Sagarain than EC

  8. East Chicago (2-6). 

Sectional 18

  1. NorthWood (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional, unbeaten

  2. Northridge (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Wawasee & Plymouth. 

  3. Logansport (6-2). Better record but weaker schedule than Northridge

  4. SB Riley (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. Washington)

  5. SBSJ (2-6). Higher Sagarin

  6. Wawasee (1-7). Higher Sagarin, has a sectional win (vs. Plymouth)

  7. SB Washington (2-6). Low Sagarin

  8. Plymouth (0-8). Winless

Sectional 19

  1. Columbia City (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. DeKalb, NH, EN, Leo

  2. Leo (5-3). H2H win vs. Angola (also NH, EN)

  3. Angola (6-2). H2H loss vs. Leo, win vs. EN

  4. New Haven (4-4). Higher Sagarain, H2H win vs. EN & DeKalb

  5. East Noble (3-5). H2H win vs. DeKalb, 1-3 vs. sectional

  6. DeKalb (3-5). These flip if Wayne wins & DeKalb loses this weekend

  7. FW Wayne (2-6). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. South)

  8. FW South (0-8)

Sectional 20

  1. Kokomo (8-0)

  2. Western (5-3) Higher Sagarin than Miss

  3. Mississinewa (5-3) 

  4. Muncie Central (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional

  5. Huntington North (2-6) H2H win vs. Jay County

  6. Jay County (2-6)

  7. Frankfort (1-7)

  8. Marion (0-8)

Sectional 21

  1. Roncalli (7-1). Highest Sagarin

  2. Mooresville (6-2). Lower Sagarin than Brebeuf but better record vs. good schedule. Could flip based on weekend results. 2-0 vs. 4A

  3. Brebeuf (4-3). Good Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional, 1-1 vs. 4A. 

  4. Lebanon (6-2). No games vs. sectional, 2-0 vs. 4A

  5. Northview (5-3). Lower Sagarin than Lebanon

  6. Attucks (5-2). H2H wins vs. Shortridge & Washington

  7. Shortridge (4-4) H2H win vs. Washington

  8. Indpls. Washington (1-7)

Sectional 22

  1. New Palestine (8-0). H2H wins vs. PH, G-C, NC, MV

  2. Mt. Vernon (5-3). H2H win vs. G-C, PH, NC

  3. Greenfield-Central (5-3). H2H win vs. PH

  4. Pendleton Heights (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (W vs. New Castle)

  5. Beech Grove (4-4). Higher Sagarin than New Castle. 

  6. Connersville (4-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (Richmond)

  7. New Castle (2-6). Higher Sagarin & better record than Conn, but worse record

  8. Richmond (0-8)

Sectional 23

  1. East Central (7-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Martinsville (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (BNL, Greenwood)

  3. BNL (4-4). 1 win in sectional (vs. JC). Has better record than GW despite lower Sagarin

  4. Jennings County (2-6). Higher Sagarin than SC/Shelby/Edgewood

  5. Greenwood (1-7) Tough schedule, higher Sagarin. Can flip them & JC

  6. Silver Creek (3-5) Lower Sag but better record than Shelby

  7. Shelbyville (1-7) Higher Sagarin than Edgewood

  8. Edgewood (1-7)

Sectional 24

  1. Evansville Reitz (8-0). 5-0 vs. sectional

  2. Jasper (5-3) 3-2 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs Memorial, Central, Bosse. Loss to Harrison

  3. Evansville Memorial (5-3). 3-2 vs. sectional. H2H loss to Jasper

  4. Boonville (6-2). Has not played a 4A team this year. 4th in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Evansville Harrison (2-6). H2H wins vs. Jasper, Central

  6. Evansville Bosse (1-7). H2H win vs. Centra

  7. Evansville Central (0-8)

Class 3A

Sectional 25

  1. West Lafayette (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. Harrison

  2. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Play each other this weekend. Winner

  3. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Loser 

  4. Rensselaer (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (W vs. TL)

  5. River Forest (5-3). 1-2 vs. sectional (loss to Calumet, HC, W vs. BG)

  6. Griffith (3-5). H2H win vs. Boone Grove

  7. Boone Grove (3-5). 0-3 vs. sectional

  8. Twin Lakes (1-7)

Sectional 26

  1. Jimtown (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional. Plays a lot of larger schools

  2. Knox (5-3). 1-point loss to LaVille, tops in Sagarin

  3. West Noble (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional, Fairfield & Lakeland (7-6)

  4. Fairfield (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Lakeland

  5. Lakeland (3-5). Higher in Sagarin than Marian

  6. Mishawaka Marian (2-6). Mostly 4A/5A schedule, higher than Glenn in Sag

  7. Glenn (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional, win vs. Clay

  8. SB Clay (0-8)

Sectional 27

  1. Norwell (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Bellmont, Heritage)

  2. Yorktown (6-2). Higher Sagarin, plays mostly 4A schedule

  3. Heritage (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional (Woodlan, Belmont)

  4. Delta (3-5). Win vs. Columbia City. Plays mostly 4A schedule

  5. Woodlan (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional. Low Sagarin (7th in sectional)

  6. FW Concordia (3-5). Plays mostly 4A/5A schedule

  7. Garrett (1-7). Decent Sagarin, 0-0 vs. sectional, 1-2 vs. 3A

  8. Bellmont (0-8)

Sectional 28

  1. Indianapolis Chatard (5-3). Highest Sagarin by far despite record

  2. Oak Hill (8-0). Higher Sagarin than TV

  3. Tippecanoe Valley (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Peru, Maconaquah)

  4. Guerin Catholic (4-4). Tough schedule, 3rd in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Hamilton Heights (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (Northwestern)

  6. Maconaquah (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional (W Peru, L TV)

  7. Peru (2-6). 

  8. Northwestern (1-7)

Sectional 29

  1. Tri-West (6-2). 4-0 vs. sectional (WeBo, Danville, NM, Crawfordsville)

  2. Western Boone (7-1). 3-1 vs. sectional (H2H loss to TW)

  3. Speedway (5-3). 3rd in sectional in Sagarin. 

  4. Danville (3-5)/North Montgomery (4-4) winner

  5. Danville/North Montgomery loser

  6. Monrovia (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional. Higher Sagarin than CV

  7. Crawfordsville (2-6)

  8. Purdue Poly (3-5). Lower Sag than Monrovia, CV

Sectional 30

  1. Gibson Southern (8-0). Champs until knocked off

  2. Owen Valley (8-0). 1-0 vs. 4A

  3. Vincennes (4-4)

  4. Mt. Vernon (P) (4-4). Ower Sag than Vincennes

  5. Washington (2-6). H2H wins vs. Pike Central, Princeton, higher Sag

  6. West Vigo (3-5)

  7. Pike Central (1-7)

  8. Princeton (0-8)

Sectional 31

  1. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) winner

  2. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) loser

  3. Indian Creek (6-2). H2H win vs. Batesville

  4. Batesville (4-4). 3 wins vs. sectional (Rushville, Greensburg, FC)

  5. Centerville (6-2). Plays mostly 1A/2A schedule

  6. Franklin County (2-6). 2 wins vs. sectional

  7. Greensburg/Rushville winner (both 2-6)

  8. Greensburg/Rushville loser (both 2-6)

Sectional 32

  1. Southridge (7-1). Highest Sagarin by far

  2. Charlestown (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H W vs. NH

  3. North Harrison (6-2). 3-1 vs. sectional

  4. Heritage Hills (4-4). 2nd in Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional (Southridge)

  5. Madison (4-4). Higher Sagarin than Corydon

  6. Corydon (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional, wins vs. Scottsburg, Salem

  7. Salem (2-6) h2H win vs. Scottsburg

  8. Scottsburg (2-6) 0-4 vs. sectional

Class 2A
Sectional 33

  1. LaVille (8-0). Higher Sagarin, unbeaten

  2. Andrean (6-2). Slightly lower Sagarin than LaVille

  3. Bremen (4-4). HIgher Sagarin

  4. Whiting (3-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (win vs. Wheeler)

  5. Wheeler (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll

  6. Lake Station (3-5). 1-0 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll, lower Sag than Wheeler

  7. Hammond Noll (0-7)

Sectional 34

  1. Lafayette Catholic (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (Seeger, BC)

  2. Rochester (7-1). Lower Sag than LCC

  3. Cass (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (BC)

  4. Seeger (6-2). 0-2 vs. sectional (Ls LCC, BC)

  5. Benton Central (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional (Delphi, Seeger)

  6. Delphi (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Winamac (2-6)

Sectional 35

  1. Eastside (6-2). 3-0 vs. sectional (Busco, PH, CN)

  2. Churubusco (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H loss vs. Eastside

  3. FW Luers (4-4) 3rd in sectional in Sag

  4. Central Noble (2-6). H2H win vs. PH, losses to Busco, Eastside

  5. Prairie Heights (2-6). H2H win vs. Whitko

  6. Wabash (2-6). 7th in Sagarin, H2H win vs. Manchester

  7. Manchester (1-7). H2H win vs. Whitko

  8. Whitko (0-8)

Sectional 36

  1. Alexandria (5-3). 4-0 vs. sectional (Blackford, Eastbrook, Elwood, Frankton)

  2. Eastbrook (6-2). H2H loss vs. Alex

  3. Eastern (Greentown). Behind Eastbrook in Sag

  4. Bluffton (4-4). 3rd in Sag in sectional

  5. Frankton (2-6) 2-2 vs. sectional (Elwood, H2H win vs. Tipton)

  6. Tipton (3-5). 1-1 vs. Sectional (Elwood)

  7. Blackford (1-7)

  8. Elwood (0-8)

Sectional 37

  1. Linton (8-0)

  2. Southmont (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (NP)

  3. Sullivan (4-4). 3-1 vs. sectional (SV, Greencastle, NK)

  4. South Vermillion (6-2). 0-1 vs. sectional (Sullivan)

  5. Cascade (4-4). 4th in sectional in Sag

  6. Greencastle (4-4)/North Knox (3-5) (GC if it beats North Putnam)

  7. North Knox (3-5)/North Putnam (3-5) (NP if it wins Friday)

  8. North Putnam/Greencastle

Sectional 38

  1. Heritage Christian (5-3). Not as good of a record, but better schedule & Sagarin. 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. Northeastern (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (UC, Winchester, Shenandoah)

  3. Lapel (4-4). 1-1 vs. sectional

  4. Shenandoah (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (losses to 3 teams ahead of them)

  5. Eastern Hancock (3-5) 

  6. Winchester (3-5) - low Sagarin, but 1-1 vs. sectional (beat Union County)

  7. Union County (4-4) 

  8. Ritter (1-6)

Sectional 39

  1. Scecina (7-1). Beat TC H2H

  2. Triton Central (6-2). Has highest Sagarin of field

  3. Brownstown (5-3), winning record, 3rd best Sagarin

  4. Clarksville (3-5). Sagarin substantially better than rest of field

  5. Switzerland County (4-4)

  6. Eastern (Pekin) (1-7)

  7. Manual (3-5) Very weak schedule

  8. Brown County (0-8)

Sectional 40

  1. Evansville Mater Dei (6-2). Plays 5A schedule, has very good Sagarin

  2. Perry Central (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP, CC, Paoli)

  3. North Posey (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP)

  4. Paoli (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional (CC, Mitchell, loss to PC)

  5. Tell City (2-6). Actually has higher Sagarin that Paoli

  6. Forest Park (1-7)

  7. Mitchell (1-7)

  8. Crawford County (0-8)

Class A

Sectional 41

  1. North Judson (7-1). Good Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Triton (5-3). 3-1 vs. sectional (Culver, Pioneer, SC, oss to NJ)

  3. Culver (5-3) 2-2 vs. sectional (Ws SC, Pioneer; Ls Triton, NJ)

  4. South Newton (5-3). 2-0 vs. sectional (NN, SC)

  5. Pioneer (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Bowman Academy (3-4)

  7. South Central (1-7)

  8. North Newton (0-7)

Sectional 42

  1. Park Tudor (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (TP). Good Sagarin

  2. North Vermillion (5-3). 3-0 vs sect (Covington, Attica, FC)

  3. Clinton Prairie (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (CC)

  4. Traders Point (4-4). Decent schedule, 0-1 vs. sectional

  5. Fountain Central (2-6). 2-1 vs. sectional (Ws Attica, Covington)

  6. Covington (3-5). Lost to Fountain Central

  7. Clinton Central (0-8). Higher sagarin than Attica

  8. Attica (0-8)

Sectional 43

  1. Carroll (Flora) (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. West Central (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (Caston, TC, Frontier)

  3. Frontier (4-4). 2-1 vs. sectional (def NW H2H, TC, lost to WC)

  4. North White (5-2). 3-1 vs. sectional (Ws Taylor, Caston TC; L Frontier)

  5. Tri-Central (2-6). Close w/NW & Frontier in Sagarin. Lost to Carroll, beat Taylor

  6. Taylor (1-7)

  7. Tri-County (1-7)

  8. Caston (0-8) - if any of these three win this weekend, they jump to #6

Sectional 44

  1. Adams Central (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Adams (6-2). 2nd highest Sagarin

  3. Madison-Grant (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (SW)

  4. Southwood (6-2) 2-0 vs. sectional (NM, Northfield)

  5. Northfield (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional (Southwood)

  6. North Miami (3-5)

  7. Fremont (2-6)

  8. Southern Wells (0-8) - this sectional follows Sagarin

Sectional 45

  1. Sheridan (7-1). Clear #1 in Sagarin, 5-0 vs. Class A

  2. Monroe Central (5-2). Clear #2 in Sagarin, wins vs. UC, Wes-Del

  3. Hagerstown (5-3). Win vs. Union City

  4. Indiana Deaf (6-1). Can flip w/Hagerstown based on weekend results

  5. Union City (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, 2-3 vs. Class A

  6. Wes-Del (1-7). Win over Tindley, 1-4 vs. Class A

  7. Indianapolis Tindley (1-7). 0-4 vs. Class A

Sectional 46

  1. North Decatur (8-0). Clear-cut #1 in Sagarin. 

  2. Tri (7-1). Lone loss to 3A Centerville. 5-0 vs. Class A

  3. Milan (3-5). 3-4 vs. schools in larger classes

  4. Edinburgh (4-3). Close with Milan. H2H win vs. SD

  5. South Decatur (4-4). Low Sagarin, 0-2 vs. sectional (ND, Edinburgh)

  6. Knightstown (1-6). Win over CCL

  7. Cambridge City Lincoln (0-8)

Sectional 47

  1. Indianapolis Lutheran (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Putnam (7-1). Clear #2. 6-1 vs. larger classes

  3. Covenant Christian (5-3). Solid schedule. #3 in Sagarin

  4. Riverton Parke (6-2). H2H win over Parke Heritage

  5. North Central (Farmersburg) 1-6. Higher Sagarin

  6. Parke Heritage (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Cloverdale

  7. Cloverdale (1-7). Lowest Sagarin. 

Sectional 48

  1. Tecumseh (8-0). Highest Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional (SV, ND)

  2. Providence (6-1). 5-1 vs. higher classes. 2nd in Sagarin

  3. North Daviess (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (w/vs EG)

  4. West Washington (5-2). Better record & H2H win vs. SV

  5. Springs Valley (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional 

  6. South Spencer (4-4). Could put 4-5-6 in a blender

  7. Eastern Greene (1-7) 

This is great, thanks for taking the time to put this together in a thoughtful, well reasoned way. Worst case, perhaps, is maybe a small, small number of teams that are one-off for whatever intangible reason.  Perfection is not a realistic outcome in a complex seeding scenario, but something like this is darn close. 

Overall, this could certainly be sorted out with about 8 or so smart people putting their heads together over a few short hours the Saturday afternoon after week 9. Remotely. With computers. Over the interwebs.

However, the obvious fallacy to this entire exercise is that it clearly can work. And THAT, sir, will NOT do for the IHSAA. Just keep your ping-pong balls polished and make do like it's still 1985 and put the top four best teams on one side of the bracket and the bottom four worst teams on the other side like God Himself intended. 

Now, pardon me while I go reserve my seat for the thriller of a Sectional 30 final that would be a running clock in the first half if it were allowed. It doesn't matter which two teams meet, the result will be the same.

But hey, at least 2-7 Washington will be able to hang that 2022-23 Sectional Finalist banner in the gym this winter (no offense Hatchets, but y'all gotta admit S30 is a f'g travesty). 

Seriously though, this is great. Thanks again for compiling this!

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10 hours ago, WWFan said:

Interesting. Now how far in advance would matchups need to determined? Sec 48 for example ND and SV play Friday. I think SV wins. If WW beats Salem they would move to 3 presumably and ND would fall to 5 or maybe even 6. Would coaches be ok with 5 days notice of who their opp is?

I'd probably have committees meet preliminarily after Week 8 to create a rough seeding list and contingencies and then meet briefly the Saturday morning after Week 9, and announce the bracket either Saturday or Sunday evening. I know most coaching staffs get together to gameplan on Sunday mornings, so a Saturday announcement would probably be best, but as long as they're in place before practice begins, that's good. The ease of trading film via Hudl makes it a lot easier. 

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11 hours ago, crimsonace1 said:

I tried to take a crack one-man seeding committee, using Sagarin ratings, head-to-head matchups and other criteria a ratings committee might use. I would've pulled MaxPreps ratings in but I don't have unlimited time ;). This could be a fun exercise if we put a "seeding committee" together for each class. 

Anyway, here goes. 

Class 6A

Sectional 1

  1. Crown Point (8-0, 2-0 H2H)

  2. Lafayette Jeff (6-2, no H2H but has higher Sagarin than LC)

  3. Lake Central (4-4)

  4. Portage (1-7)

Sectional 2

  1. Carroll (8-0)

  2. Penn (6-2, has H2H win vs. Elkhart)

  3. Elkhart (7-1)

  4. Warsaw (6-2, has lowest Sagarin rating)

Sectional 3

  1. HSE (8-0, H2H win vs. Fishers)

  2. Fishers (5-3, higher Sagarin than Homestead)

  3. Homestead (4-4)

  4. Northrop (1-7)

Sectional 4

  1. Westfield (5-3, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Carmel (5-3, no games vs. sectional). Can split hairs between them & Westfield

  3. Zionsville (4-4, H2H win vs. Noblesville)

  4. Noblesville (2-6, 0-2 vs. sectional)

Sectional 5

  1. Brownsburg (8-0, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  2. Ben Davis (5-3, 2-1 vs. sectional)

  3. Avon (1-7, has higher Sagarin)

  4. Pike (1-7, has lower Sagarin than Avon)

Sectional 6

  1. Cathedral (6-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Lawrence Central (4-4, 2-0 vs. sectional)

  3. Lawrence North (3-5, 1-1 vs. sectional, lost to LC)

  4. North Central (0-8)

Sectional 7

  1. Warren Central (4-4, has played 7 6A schools, highest Sagarin)

  2. Perry Meridian (3-5, win vs. Southport)

  3. Tech (1-7)

  4. Southport (0-8)

Sectional 8

  1. Center Grove (7-1, 7-0 vs. 6A teams)

  2. Franklin Central (3-5, but significantly higher Sagarin, 3 wins vs. 6A)

  3. Columbus North (4-4, but only 1-0 vs. 4A, lower Sagarin than FC)

  4. Jeffersonville (1-6)

Class 5A

Sectional 9

  1. Merrillville (7-1, 3-0 vs. 5A, highest Sagarin by far)

  2. Hammond Central (6-2, H2H win vs. Morton, higher Sagarin)

  3. Munster (3-5, H2H win vs. Morton)

  4. Hammond Morton (0-8)

Sectional 10 (this one is really tough, but they all play H2H and all 3 - Chesterton, LaPorte and Mich City - have identical Duneland records)

  1. Valparaiso (5-3, only team with winning record, 3-0 vs. sectional)

  2. LaPorte (2-6, 2-1 H2H vs. sectional)

  3. Michigan City (2-6, 1-2 vs. sectional)

  4. Chesterton (3-5, but 0-3 vs. sectional and 5A. Does have two 6A wins. Has higher Sagarin than LaPorte & Mich City)

Sectional 11

  1. Mishawaka (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Concord (3-5) 1-1 vs. sectional, H2H win vs. Goshen

  3. SB Adams (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Goshen

  4. Goshen (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, lower Sagarin than Adams

Sectional 12

  1. FW Snider (7-1). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. North Side

  2. FW North (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional, has H2H win vs. Dwenger

  3. FW Dwenger (5-3)

  4. Anderson (3-5)

Sectional 13

  1. Harrison (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Plainfield (3-5) Has H2H win vs. Decatur

  3. Decatur Central (3-5) H2H loss vs. Plainfield

  4. McCutcheon (2-6)

Sectional 14

  1. Whiteland (7-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Franklin (6-2). Higher Sagarin, good record in tough conference

  3. TH South (5-3). H2H win vs. North

  4. TH North (2-6)

Sectional 15

  1. Bloomington South (6-1). Clear-cut #1

  2. Bloomington North (4-4) H2H win vs. East

  3. Columbus East (4-4) H2H win vs. Seymour

  4. Seymour (6-2). H2H loss vs. East, lower Sagarin

Sectional 16

  1. Castle (5-3) H2H win vs. North

  2. Evansville North (4-4). Higher Sagarin

  3. Floyd Central (3-5). Has a 5A win

  4. New Albany (2-6). 0-4 vs. 5A teams, lowest Sagarin by far

Class 4A

Sectional 17

  1. New Prairie (7-1). Best record, 3-0 vs. class, H2H win vs. Lowell

  2. Hobart (5-3) 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Culver, Lowell, KV, Highland

  3. Lowell (5-3). 2-2 vs. sectional. Wins vs. KV, Highland

  4. Gary West (6-2). 3-1 vs. 4A teams, 2-0 vs. sectional. Wins vs. Highland, EC

  5. Kankakee Valley (4-4). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Culver Academy (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Highland (2-6). Higher Sagarain than EC

  8. East Chicago (2-6). 

Sectional 18

  1. NorthWood (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional, unbeaten

  2. Northridge (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. Wawasee & Plymouth. 

  3. Logansport (6-2). Better record but weaker schedule than Northridge

  4. SB Riley (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. Washington)

  5. SBSJ (2-6). Higher Sagarin

  6. Wawasee (1-7). Higher Sagarin, has a sectional win (vs. Plymouth)

  7. SB Washington (2-6). Low Sagarin

  8. Plymouth (0-8). Winless

Sectional 19

  1. Columbia City (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs. DeKalb, NH, EN, Leo

  2. Leo (5-3). H2H win vs. Angola (also NH, EN)

  3. Angola (6-2). H2H loss vs. Leo, win vs. EN

  4. New Haven (4-4). Higher Sagarain, H2H win vs. EN & DeKalb

  5. East Noble (3-5). H2H win vs. DeKalb, 1-3 vs. sectional

  6. DeKalb (3-5). These flip if Wayne wins & DeKalb loses this weekend

  7. FW Wayne (2-6). 1-0 vs. sectional (vs. South)

  8. FW South (0-8)

Sectional 20

  1. Kokomo (8-0)

  2. Western (5-3) Higher Sagarin than Miss

  3. Mississinewa (5-3) 

  4. Muncie Central (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional

  5. Huntington North (2-6) H2H win vs. Jay County

  6. Jay County (2-6)

  7. Frankfort (1-7)

  8. Marion (0-8)

Sectional 21

  1. Roncalli (7-1). Highest Sagarin

  2. Mooresville (6-2). Lower Sagarin than Brebeuf but better record vs. good schedule. Could flip based on weekend results. 2-0 vs. 4A

  3. Brebeuf (4-3). Good Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional, 1-1 vs. 4A. 

  4. Lebanon (6-2). No games vs. sectional, 2-0 vs. 4A

  5. Northview (5-3). Lower Sagarin than Lebanon

  6. Attucks (5-2). H2H wins vs. Shortridge & Washington

  7. Shortridge (4-4) H2H win vs. Washington

  8. Indpls. Washington (1-7)

Sectional 22

  1. New Palestine (8-0). H2H wins vs. PH, G-C, NC, MV

  2. Mt. Vernon (5-3). H2H win vs. G-C, PH, NC

  3. Greenfield-Central (5-3). H2H win vs. PH

  4. Pendleton Heights (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (W vs. New Castle)

  5. Beech Grove (4-4). Higher Sagarin than New Castle. 

  6. Connersville (4-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (Richmond)

  7. New Castle (2-6). Higher Sagarin & better record than Conn, but worse record

  8. Richmond (0-8)

Sectional 23

  1. East Central (7-1, highest Sagarin)

  2. Martinsville (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (BNL, Greenwood)

  3. BNL (4-4). 1 win in sectional (vs. JC). Has better record than GW despite lower Sagarin

  4. Jennings County (2-6). Higher Sagarin than SC/Shelby/Edgewood

  5. Greenwood (1-7) Tough schedule, higher Sagarin. Can flip them & JC

  6. Silver Creek (3-5) Lower Sag but better record than Shelby

  7. Shelbyville (1-7) Higher Sagarin than Edgewood

  8. Edgewood (1-7)

Sectional 24

  1. Evansville Reitz (8-0). 5-0 vs. sectional

  2. Jasper (5-3) 3-2 vs. sectional, H2H wins vs Memorial, Central, Bosse. Loss to Harrison

  3. Evansville Memorial (5-3). 3-2 vs. sectional. H2H loss to Jasper

  4. Boonville (6-2). Has not played a 4A team this year. 4th in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Evansville Harrison (2-6). H2H wins vs. Jasper, Central

  6. Evansville Bosse (1-7). H2H win vs. Centra

  7. Evansville Central (0-8)

Class 3A

Sectional 25

  1. West Lafayette (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional, has win vs. Harrison

  2. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Play each other this weekend. Winner

  3. Calumet/Hanover Central (8-0). Loser 

  4. Rensselaer (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (W vs. TL)

  5. River Forest (5-3). 1-2 vs. sectional (loss to Calumet, HC, W vs. BG)

  6. Griffith (3-5). H2H win vs. Boone Grove

  7. Boone Grove (3-5). 0-3 vs. sectional

  8. Twin Lakes (1-7)

Sectional 26

  1. Jimtown (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional. Plays a lot of larger schools

  2. Knox (5-3). 1-point loss to LaVille, tops in Sagarin

  3. West Noble (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional, Fairfield & Lakeland (7-6)

  4. Fairfield (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Lakeland

  5. Lakeland (3-5). Higher in Sagarin than Marian

  6. Mishawaka Marian (2-6). Mostly 4A/5A schedule, higher than Glenn in Sag

  7. Glenn (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional, win vs. Clay

  8. SB Clay (0-8)

Sectional 27

  1. Norwell (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Bellmont, Heritage)

  2. Yorktown (6-2). Higher Sagarin, plays mostly 4A schedule

  3. Heritage (5-3). 2-1 vs. sectional (Woodlan, Belmont)

  4. Delta (3-5). Win vs. Columbia City. Plays mostly 4A schedule

  5. Woodlan (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional. Low Sagarin (7th in sectional)

  6. FW Concordia (3-5). Plays mostly 4A/5A schedule

  7. Garrett (1-7). Decent Sagarin, 0-0 vs. sectional, 1-2 vs. 3A

  8. Bellmont (0-8)

Sectional 28

  1. Indianapolis Chatard (5-3). Highest Sagarin by far despite record

  2. Oak Hill (8-0). Higher Sagarin than TV

  3. Tippecanoe Valley (8-0). 2-0 vs. sectional (Peru, Maconaquah)

  4. Guerin Catholic (4-4). Tough schedule, 3rd in sectional in Sagarin

  5. Hamilton Heights (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (Northwestern)

  6. Maconaquah (6-2). 1-1 vs. sectional (W Peru, L TV)

  7. Peru (2-6). 

  8. Northwestern (1-7)

Sectional 29

  1. Tri-West (6-2). 4-0 vs. sectional (WeBo, Danville, NM, Crawfordsville)

  2. Western Boone (7-1). 3-1 vs. sectional (H2H loss to TW)

  3. Speedway (5-3). 3rd in sectional in Sagarin. 

  4. Danville (3-5)/North Montgomery (4-4) winner

  5. Danville/North Montgomery loser

  6. Monrovia (2-6). 0-1 vs. sectional. Higher Sagarin than CV

  7. Crawfordsville (2-6)

  8. Purdue Poly (3-5). Lower Sag than Monrovia, CV

Sectional 30

  1. Gibson Southern (8-0). Champs until knocked off

  2. Owen Valley (8-0). 1-0 vs. 4A

  3. Vincennes (4-4)

  4. Mt. Vernon (P) (4-4). Ower Sag than Vincennes

  5. Washington (2-6). H2H wins vs. Pike Central, Princeton, higher Sag

  6. West Vigo (3-5)

  7. Pike Central (1-7)

  8. Princeton (0-8)

Sectional 31

  1. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) winner

  2. Lawrenceburg (7-1)/South Dearborn (7-1) loser

  3. Indian Creek (6-2). H2H win vs. Batesville

  4. Batesville (4-4). 3 wins vs. sectional (Rushville, Greensburg, FC)

  5. Centerville (6-2). Plays mostly 1A/2A schedule

  6. Franklin County (2-6). 2 wins vs. sectional

  7. Greensburg/Rushville winner (both 2-6)

  8. Greensburg/Rushville loser (both 2-6)

Sectional 32

  1. Southridge (7-1). Highest Sagarin by far

  2. Charlestown (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional, H2H W vs. NH

  3. North Harrison (6-2). 3-1 vs. sectional

  4. Heritage Hills (4-4). 2nd in Sagarin, 0-1 vs. sectional (Southridge)

  5. Madison (4-4). Higher Sagarin than Corydon

  6. Corydon (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional, wins vs. Scottsburg, Salem

  7. Salem (2-6) h2H win vs. Scottsburg

  8. Scottsburg (2-6) 0-4 vs. sectional

Class 2A
Sectional 33

  1. LaVille (8-0). Higher Sagarin, unbeaten

  2. Andrean (6-2). Slightly lower Sagarin than LaVille

  3. Bremen (4-4). HIgher Sagarin

  4. Whiting (3-4). 1-0 vs. sectional (win vs. Wheeler)

  5. Wheeler (3-5). 1-1 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll

  6. Lake Station (3-5). 1-0 vs. sectional, win vs. Noll, lower Sag than Wheeler

  7. Hammond Noll (0-7)

Sectional 34

  1. Lafayette Catholic (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (Seeger, BC)

  2. Rochester (7-1). Lower Sag than LCC

  3. Cass (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (BC)

  4. Seeger (6-2). 0-2 vs. sectional (Ls LCC, BC)

  5. Benton Central (3-5). 2-2 vs. sectional (Delphi, Seeger)

  6. Delphi (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional

  7. Winamac (2-6)

Sectional 35

  1. Eastside (6-2). 3-0 vs. sectional (Busco, PH, CN)

  2. Churubusco (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional, H2H loss vs. Eastside

  3. FW Luers (4-4) 3rd in sectional in Sag

  4. Central Noble (2-6). H2H win vs. PH, losses to Busco, Eastside

  5. Prairie Heights (2-6). H2H win vs. Whitko

  6. Wabash (2-6). 7th in Sagarin, H2H win vs. Manchester

  7. Manchester (1-7). H2H win vs. Whitko

  8. Whitko (0-8)

Sectional 36

  1. Alexandria (5-3). 4-0 vs. sectional (Blackford, Eastbrook, Elwood, Frankton)

  2. Eastbrook (6-2). H2H loss vs. Alex

  3. Eastern (Greentown). Behind Eastbrook in Sag

  4. Bluffton (4-4). 3rd in Sag in sectional

  5. Frankton (2-6) 2-2 vs. sectional (Elwood, H2H win vs. Tipton)

  6. Tipton (3-5). 1-1 vs. Sectional (Elwood)

  7. Blackford (1-7)

  8. Elwood (0-8)

Sectional 37

  1. Linton (8-0)

  2. Southmont (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (NP)

  3. Sullivan (4-4). 3-1 vs. sectional (SV, Greencastle, NK)

  4. South Vermillion (6-2). 0-1 vs. sectional (Sullivan)

  5. Cascade (4-4). 4th in sectional in Sag

  6. Greencastle (4-4)/North Knox (3-5) (GC if it beats North Putnam)

  7. North Knox (3-5)/North Putnam (3-5) (NP if it wins Friday)

  8. North Putnam/Greencastle

Sectional 38

  1. Heritage Christian (5-3). Not as good of a record, but better schedule & Sagarin. 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. Northeastern (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (UC, Winchester, Shenandoah)

  3. Lapel (4-4). 1-1 vs. sectional

  4. Shenandoah (4-4). 1-3 vs. sectional (losses to 3 teams ahead of them)

  5. Eastern Hancock (3-5) 

  6. Winchester (3-5) - low Sagarin, but 1-1 vs. sectional (beat Union County)

  7. Union County (4-4) 

  8. Ritter (1-6)

Sectional 39

  1. Scecina (7-1). Beat TC H2H

  2. Triton Central (6-2). Has highest Sagarin of field

  3. Brownstown (5-3), winning record, 3rd best Sagarin

  4. Clarksville (3-5). Sagarin substantially better than rest of field

  5. Switzerland County (4-4)

  6. Eastern (Pekin) (1-7)

  7. Manual (3-5) Very weak schedule

  8. Brown County (0-8)

Sectional 40

  1. Evansville Mater Dei (6-2). Plays 5A schedule, has very good Sagarin

  2. Perry Central (7-1). 4-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP, CC, Paoli)

  3. North Posey (6-2). 2-0 vs. sectional (TC, FP)

  4. Paoli (6-2). 2-1 vs. sectional (CC, Mitchell, loss to PC)

  5. Tell City (2-6). Actually has higher Sagarin that Paoli

  6. Forest Park (1-7)

  7. Mitchell (1-7)

  8. Crawford County (0-8)

Class A

Sectional 41

  1. North Judson (7-1). Good Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional

  2. Triton (5-3). 3-1 vs. sectional (Culver, Pioneer, SC, oss to NJ)

  3. Culver (5-3) 2-2 vs. sectional (Ws SC, Pioneer; Ls Triton, NJ)

  4. South Newton (5-3). 2-0 vs. sectional (NN, SC)

  5. Pioneer (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional

  6. Bowman Academy (3-4)

  7. South Central (1-7)

  8. North Newton (0-7)

Sectional 42

  1. Park Tudor (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (TP). Good Sagarin

  2. North Vermillion (5-3). 3-0 vs sect (Covington, Attica, FC)

  3. Clinton Prairie (5-3). 1-0 vs. sectional (CC)

  4. Traders Point (4-4). Decent schedule, 0-1 vs. sectional

  5. Fountain Central (2-6). 2-1 vs. sectional (Ws Attica, Covington)

  6. Covington (3-5). Lost to Fountain Central

  7. Clinton Central (0-8). Higher sagarin than Attica

  8. Attica (0-8)

Sectional 43

  1. Carroll (Flora) (8-0). 3-0 vs. sectional

  2. West Central (7-1). 3-0 vs. sectional (Caston, TC, Frontier)

  3. Frontier (4-4). 2-1 vs. sectional (def NW H2H, TC, lost to WC)

  4. North White (5-2). 3-1 vs. sectional (Ws Taylor, Caston TC; L Frontier)

  5. Tri-Central (2-6). Close w/NW & Frontier in Sagarin. Lost to Carroll, beat Taylor

  6. Taylor (1-7)

  7. Tri-County (1-7)

  8. Caston (0-8) - if any of these three win this weekend, they jump to #6

Sectional 44

  1. Adams Central (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Adams (6-2). 2nd highest Sagarin

  3. Madison-Grant (6-2). 1-0 vs. sectional (SW)

  4. Southwood (6-2) 2-0 vs. sectional (NM, Northfield)

  5. Northfield (4-4). 0-1 vs. sectional (Southwood)

  6. North Miami (3-5)

  7. Fremont (2-6)

  8. Southern Wells (0-8) - this sectional follows Sagarin

Sectional 45

  1. Sheridan (7-1). Clear #1 in Sagarin, 5-0 vs. Class A

  2. Monroe Central (5-2). Clear #2 in Sagarin, wins vs. UC, Wes-Del

  3. Hagerstown (5-3). Win vs. Union City

  4. Indiana Deaf (6-1). Can flip w/Hagerstown based on weekend results

  5. Union City (2-6). 0-2 vs. sectional, 2-3 vs. Class A

  6. Wes-Del (1-7). Win over Tindley, 1-4 vs. Class A

  7. Indianapolis Tindley (1-7). 0-4 vs. Class A

Sectional 46

  1. North Decatur (8-0). Clear-cut #1 in Sagarin. 

  2. Tri (7-1). Lone loss to 3A Centerville. 5-0 vs. Class A

  3. Milan (3-5). 3-4 vs. schools in larger classes

  4. Edinburgh (4-3). Close with Milan. H2H win vs. SD

  5. South Decatur (4-4). Low Sagarin, 0-2 vs. sectional (ND, Edinburgh)

  6. Knightstown (1-6). Win over CCL

  7. Cambridge City Lincoln (0-8)

Sectional 47

  1. Indianapolis Lutheran (8-0). Clear #1

  2. South Putnam (7-1). Clear #2. 6-1 vs. larger classes

  3. Covenant Christian (5-3). Solid schedule. #3 in Sagarin

  4. Riverton Parke (6-2). H2H win over Parke Heritage

  5. North Central (Farmersburg) 1-6. Higher Sagarin

  6. Parke Heritage (1-7). Higher Sagarin than Cloverdale

  7. Cloverdale (1-7). Lowest Sagarin. 

Sectional 48

  1. Tecumseh (8-0). Highest Sagarin, 2-0 vs. sectional (SV, ND)

  2. Providence (6-1). 5-1 vs. higher classes. 2nd in Sagarin

  3. North Daviess (5-3). 1-1 vs. sectional (w/vs EG)

  4. West Washington (5-2). Better record & H2H win vs. SV

  5. Springs Valley (4-4). 1-2 vs. sectional 

  6. South Spencer (4-4). Could put 4-5-6 in a blender

  7. Eastern Greene (1-7) 

Wow!  You put a lot of work into this--nice going!!!

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13 hours ago, WWFan said:

Interesting. Now how far in advance would matchups need to determined? Sec 48 for example ND and SV play Friday. I think SV wins. If WW beats Salem they would move to 3 presumably and ND would fall to 5 or maybe even 6. Would coaches be ok with 5 days notice of who their opp is?

If you wanted to do it where it would be decided to drop around the time of the current ping-pong balls activity, you'd almost have to make the call based on first 7 weeks of the season ... first eight if the decision was made over the 8th week weekend and posted on the following Monday/Tuesday.  Wouldn't be perfect, but would be timely enough for locations that would be hosting.

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Sectional 19:  Angola and EN do not play in the regular season so either I'm reading it wrong or you have an error there.

Coaches do watch tape on the weekend.  Some before the Saturday JV game.  According to the website Sagarin wasn't updated until 8:30pm Saturday.  You'd have to do it earlier than the weekend prior.

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I think while its an interesting concept, seeding has its flaws as well just going off of the way in which they were decided here. Are we basing it off of regular season wins, sectional wins, sagarin rating, or a combination of all three? Are other factors involved? We've all one time or another said the sagarin ratings are flawed at times. For instance I hear time in and time out how the Summit conference has a weird sagarin rating due to all teams playing one another. There are also the teams that play out of state. That has to be taken into consideration if sagarin is the route you go. If you go regular season, you have a lot of 1 and 2A teams that play bigger schools that they probably won't win most years. If you go sectional record, not all teams play sectional opponents and if they do they may be the lower teams in the sectional that you don't want to see matched up in sectional anyway. If we want to seed sectionals, we might as well not have conferences and play each team in the sectional with two games played at the beginning of the season or end with more for sectionals that don't have 8 teams. That would be the one way I see sectionals getting seeded without controversy. Otherwise there are always going to be problems people have with seeding no matter how you decide to combine the previous three ways of seeding I mentioned above. While the ping pong balls don't fall the way people want them to year in and out, it adds a beauty to Indiana high school football that most states don't have. While its not ideal in most people's eyes, it keeps the blame of deciding who plays who from any one and places it on those gosh darn ping pong balls.

Not trying to bash on anything you did here crimsonace1. This is an interesting and debatable idea and thank you for taking the time to do this!

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43 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I think while its an interesting concept, seeding has its flaws as well just going off of the way in which they were decided here. Are we basing it off of regular season wins, sectional wins, sagarin rating, or a combination of all three? Are other factors involved? We've all one time or another said the sagarin ratings are flawed at times. For instance I hear time in and time out how the Summit conference has a weird sagarin rating due to all teams playing one another. There are also the teams that play out of state. That has to be taken into consideration if sagarin is the route you go. If you go regular season, you have a lot of 1 and 2A teams that play bigger schools that they probably won't win most years. If you go sectional record, not all teams play sectional opponents and if they do they may be the lower teams in the sectional that you don't want to see matched up in sectional anyway. If we want to seed sectionals, we might as well not have conferences and play each team in the sectional with two games played at the beginning of the season or end with more for sectionals that don't have 8 teams. That would be the one way I see sectionals getting seeded without controversy. Otherwise there are always going to be problems people have with seeding no matter how you decide to combine the previous three ways of seeding I mentioned above. While the ping pong balls don't fall the way people want them to year in and out, it adds a beauty to Indiana high school football that most states don't have. While its not ideal in most people's eyes, it keeps the blame of deciding who plays who from any one and places it on those gosh darn ping pong balls.

Not trying to bash on anything you did here crimsonace1. This is an interesting and debatable idea and thank you for taking the time to do this!

I don't think anyone is saying there will be a perfect system in any format - but what seeding does allow that the "blind draw" does not is giving credence to a good regular season. The regular season should mean SOMETHING. 

Wrestling coaches have figured this out for years. You establish a criteria, and stick with it. Will there be some grumblings about who got the #1 or who got the #5...sure, but it sure as heck beats the alternative of having 1-8 playing 1-8 while 2 unbeaten play in the 1st round. And anyone who can't see that is just being stubborn. 

Which brings me to my last point in all of this - unfortunately the IHSAA isn't going to take any action without the nudging of the IFCA...and unfortunately half of the coaches in the State won't support seeding, because they are hoping for that 2-7 vs. 1-8 and to be able to "sneak" into the 2nd round or Championship. Which, to me, is too bad. 

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3 hours ago, HHPatriots said:

Here is a crazy idea, what if the sectionals were not only seeded but what if you had to have a .500 record (or something like that) to be in the tournament at all?  Oh the horror!!!

Indeed, the regular season meaning something, there is a thought.

Nah, just keep the all in and use a system to seed it. Then the regular season still matters. Luers could definitely be below .500 and be a 2A champion. I'd compromise to even seed the tip half of each sectional and random draw the rest.

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