First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, Tippy said: Move them all up a class? Should Hammond Noll be moved up? If the P/P's all went 0-10 every year in football, I'm sure you would think the system was just fine. But they aren't, they are winning the state championship in 1A, 2A, and 3A for the last 3 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 48 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: I think Providence and Park Tudor have shown over the years they are right where they belong. This year was an up year, but they have ebbed and flowed just like their Public school counterparts. I'm a fan of Coach McDonald and the program they are building at Providence. They've just run into Indy Lutheran at the regional level. Members of this forum will be happy to know my friends over there anticipate growing enrollment and moving to 2A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Cup Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I'm fine with an all p/p division, as long as they allow public schools the ability to voluntarily join that division if they so choose. Some public schools will still be interested in being the best-of-the-best, not just best-of-the-rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said: But they aren't, they are winning the state championship in 1A, 2A, and 3A for the last 3 years... I always forget about Bishop Webo and St. Gibson of Southern. Why say "they" when what you really mean is Chatard and Lutheran? And there have been more public 2A champs (Rensy, Southridge, Monrovia, WeBo x 3) than privates in the SF era (Ritter x2, Andrean, Mater Dei, and now Luers) Edited November 27, 2023 by oldtimeqb 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tin Cup said: I'm fine with an all p/p division, as long as they allow public schools the ability to voluntarily join that division if they so choose. Some public schools will still be interested in being the best-of-the-best, not just best-of-the-rest. I guarantee there isn't a team in the first three classes that would give two $h*ts about your division captain insano 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudofdust Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said: I always forget about Bishop Webo and St. Gibson of Southern. This absolutely made me laugh out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, oldtimeqb said: I always forget about Bishop Webo and St. Gibson of Southern. Why say "they" when what you really mean is Chatard and Lutheran? And there have been more public 2A champs (Rensy, Southridge, Monrovia, WeBo x 3) than privates in the SF era (Ritter x2, Andrean, Mater Dei, and now Luers) I said the last 3 years, never said anything about those other years, but while we are on that let's take a look at how many of those publics beat a private school at LOS. I count a total of 3 or 4 on first glance for all three classes throughout the entire SF era so yes it is hard for p/p's to win more than publics in 2A when there aren't any of the normal private schools in 2A or perhaps none at all some years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastpacedO Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, WWFan said: Did park Tudor just come down from 2A? I know Providence did. This is thier 1st cycle in 1A that I can remember and they lost to state Champs in regional both years. Do you think it would have made a difference the years Providence was in 2A if they were in 1A? I don't. Park Tudor has been in 2A in the past there are about 930 students grades K-12 378 for 9-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said: I said the last 3 years, never said anything about those other years, but while we are on that let's take a look at how many of those publics beat a private school at LOS. I count a total of 3 or 4 on first glance for all three classes throughout the entire SF era so yes it is hard for p/p's to win more than publics in 2A when there aren't any of the normal private schools in 2A or perhaps none at all some years. Correction it was 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Muda69 said: You forget the special education kids as well. Too expensive to keep around. How much in subsidies and grants does a ~3A public school get solely for these programs? I’d estimate it’s more than Lutheran’s entire annual operating budget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Whitehat said: How much in subsidies and grants does a ~3A public school get solely for these programs? I’d estimate it’s more than Lutheran’s entire annual operating budget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Whitehat said: How much in subsidies and grants does a ~3A public school get solely for these programs? I’d estimate it’s more than Lutheran’s entire annual operating budget. As shown in the excellent information FarmerFran just provided your estimate is probably way, way off. Can you please share what Indianapolis Lutheran's entire annual operating budget is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Whitehat said: How much in subsidies and grants does a ~3A public school get solely for these programs? I’d estimate it’s more than Lutheran’s entire annual operating budget. 2 minutes ago, Muda69 said: As shown in the excellent information FarmerFran just provided your estimate is probably way, way off. Can you please share what Indianapolis Lutheran's entire annual operating budget is? I received a public education, not one of them fancy Catholic or Lutheran educations, so help me on this...what does any of this have to do with winning football games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdets89 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Can you please share what Indianapolis Lutheran's entire annual operating budget is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Muda69 said: As shown in the excellent information FarmerFran just provided your estimate is probably way, way off. Can you please share what Indianapolis Lutheran's entire annual operating budget is? Indiana allocated $901,000,000 for IDEA grants in 2020. The money is used to assist students with disabilities in Indiana public schools as needed. They’re required to allocate at least the same amount each proceeding year. Lutheran’s operating budget is about 2 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Whitehat said: Indiana allocated $901,000,000 for IDEA grants in 2020. The money is used to assist students with disabilities in Indiana public schools as needed. They’re required to allocate at least the same amount each proceeding year. Lutheran’s operating budget is about 2 million. Nice attempt at moving the goalposts, Whitehat. No, your original question was, and I quote: Quote How much in subsidies and grants does a ~3A public school get solely for these programs? Name one 3A public school that received $901 million in IDEA grants in 2020. I'll wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Quote Name one 3A public school that received $901 million in IDEA grants in 2020. I'll wait. They all have access to it as needed. Private school students do not, even though private school parents also pay taxes. Edited November 27, 2023 by Whitehat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, First_Backer_Inside said: But they aren't, they are winning the state championship in 1A, 2A, and 3A for the last 3 years... Some people on here won't be happy until all the P/P's do go 0-10. Do you think Hammond Noll should be moved up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Whitehat said: They all have access to it as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudofdust Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Whitehat said: They all have access to it as needed. Private school students do not, even though private school parents also pay taxes. However, they do have access to the public schools their tax money goes towards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tippy said: Some people on here won't be happy until all the P/P's do go 0-10. Do you think Hammond Noll should be moved up? If all P/P's went 0-10, would they be put in their own tournament? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQWL Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Whitehat said: They all have access to it as needed. Private school students do not, even though private school parents also pay taxes. Why would private schools need it? I've been on two different private school sites and a special education department is nowhere to be found. If you don't have students with special needs, why would you get money allocated for students with special needs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Backer_Inside Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tippy said: Some people on here won't be happy until all the P/P's do go 0-10. Do you think Hammond Noll should be moved up? I don't know that is tough. I would have to look at their last couple years. Is them staying in 2A going to change anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said: I don't know that is tough. I would have to look at their last couple years. Is them staying in 2A going to change anything? Hammond Noll's last winning season was 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitehat Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, JQWL said: Why would private schools need it? I've been on two different private school sites and a special education department is nowhere to be found. If you don't have students with special needs, why would you get money allocated for students with special needs? You’re mistaking the effect for the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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