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It's not untrue, but they also didn't play each other between 2012 and 2020. As far as evidence goes, that's evidence of nothing. However, I have to say that the loss this year has bothered me most. It's a game you should win but don't deserve to if you can't capitalize on four extra possessions. On a related note, I've seen few games that I felt Penn deserved to win, but, for whatever the reason, did not. The semi-state against Carmel in 2013 is one that comes to mind. I would have been very interested in seeing that team in the finals against WC. I also want to mention that the boys from Mishawaka were always the toughest bunch on our schedule. Those teams and the guys on them were always warriors and they never quit playing.(I still think Mishawaka made the right choice to leave the conference. Which is where this all started anyway.) I'm just not sure the evidence to suggest a true decline is there, Losing close games to Elkhart and Valpo, not a moral victory, shouldn't be taken as indicators of decline. Elkhart should be and was expected to be competitive with Penn from the start. That school would have been competitive in 1990, 2000, 2010, 2020. If they had existed there'd be a few more blemishes on Penn's conference record. It also would have been hugely helpful for the Penn program to have that school on the schedule. Valpo has been competitive with Penn for the most part even if that series is decidedly in Penn's favor still. Not winning a sectional for three years is not the expectation on Bittersweet Rd. The 2018 loss doesn't seem as bad since Valpo went to the semi-state at least. The other two don't look so great. Maybe, I'm trying to avoid banging on the staff or players. Maybe that makes me averse to throwing around the "down" term because of the connotation. I'm certainly not avoiding the term out of pride. If we're in the same position next year, then I'd be able to say that the program is definitively down. I responded to this above, but I guess I screwed it up somehow and deleted the quote. Penn's schedule is similar to those times. The same cannot be said for the teams playing in the MIC (HCC too as the donut counties grow). There are lots of important factors that go into building successful programs. I think the most profound and unique factor that the MIC has access to is the level of competition within their conference. I think this is important, and it doesn't matter if the goal is to compete with those teams or to be the dominant team in the north. Competition within a conference and at the freshman and JV levels matters for development. It matters for the evolution of a program. I agree with you on this point with the caveat that it's either indifference or complacency. It's possible that there's complacency about what it takes to help a program succeed from the administration and community as opposed to indifference, but it does seem that there is not the same fervor for success among those two groups. I think continued participation in the NIC, especially with the departure of Mishawaka, is pretty good evidence of complacency or indifference though.

The TV angle was less than optimal.

Here is hammond morton 2021 schedule it's tough

me too....I'm connected to Rensselaer football royalty.

That would be one heck of a drive if true. It is nearly 3 hours, according to Google maps, so probably at least 3 on a bus! It is no longer directly HHC related, but Madison's schedule is interesting. I'd have to think the double up on September 10th is an error and one of those games is a week 3. Carroll County definitely makes sense, as they are nearly across the river from one another. Mercer County is a solid 3A school. And Boone County is a 5A program that has struggled for some time now. They keep JC, BNL and Seymour from their HHC days. DATE OPPONENT EASTERN TIME OA 0.0, DA 0.0 Aug. 21 Mercer County (Ky.) 5:00 pm Aug. 27 at South Dearborn 4A 7:00 pm Sep. 10 Carroll County (Ky.) 7:00 pm Sep. 10 Milan 1A 7:00 pm Sep. 17 at Jennings County 4A 7:00 pm Sep. 24 at Mitchell 2A 7:00 pm Oct. 1 Boone County (Ky.) 7:00 pm Oct. 8 at Bedford North Lawrence 5A 7:00 pm Oct. 15 Seymour 5A 7:00 pm

OK but the whole point of this thread is CC doesn't belong because they do the detestable practice of recruiting. Except that they don't. So your thread is inaccurate. I mean the title of the thread itself calls out CCHS for something they don't do. I don't actually care one way or the other about recruiting or not recruiting, but you've called out CCHS on this thread and a couple others for doing this - whether the practice should be allowed or not is irrelevant to my post. So I'm not pushing back on recruiting - I don't really care about it - I'm pushing back on your inaccurate example of CCHS to support your point. It doesn't work. Find another school.

Unpopular opinion: Splitting Carmel into two schools only doubles their chances at advancing deep into the tournament. Two schools of 2700 with a f/r/l of under 10 percent does nothing in terms of competitive balance, as DT likes to call it. It’d be even more hilarious to see the outrage if they split them into a north and south type deal and sent them opposite ways in the tournament. Be careful what you wish for...

Bingo @PDB26 !!! What a ridiculous argument/point to be made. That's like saying Ohio State hasn't beaten Purde since 2013... when they've only played once (2018) in those 7 seasons. Terrible take by @XStar here. Other points are pretty good. However - remember the topic here is about Mishawaka joining the NLC, not Penn's potential decline as a state power. Create another thread for that, I'm sure you'll get plenty of people from all over the state weighing in there.

Going to have to take exception to this, at least under NF rules. For this to be illegal participation, the people crossing the sideline would have to touch the ball, hinder an opponent, or “otherwise participate.” I didn’t see this. It fits much more closely with 9-8-1,“Being on the field except as a substitute or replaced player.” That makes it unsportsmanlike conduct. It makes a big difference because if the foul on BSU is unsportsmanlike, the live ball foul for illegal forward pass against WMU is enforced and, because its penalty includes loss of down, the period is not extended, the score is canceled, and the game is over. On the other hand, if you call it illegal participation, it combines with the WMU foul to create a double foul. By rule, a double foul during a down in which time expires requires that the period be extended by an untimed down. 3-3-3b. The down would be replayed at the previous spot.

If the Hoosiers can “get it turned around,” anyone can. Question is, what does it mean to “get it turned around?” Does it mean getting to the championship game? Does it mean having a winning record in conference? You can’t draw a road map without having a destination in mind. it would take a massive influx of resources to get UI to the point where it was challenging for B1G supremacy. But it would take comparatively little to make them respectable. I really believe it starts with the coach. There are Tom Allens out there. The trick is finding them. If I was the President at UI, and was asked by my Trustees and boosters to get the football program respectable, I’d call up my AD and tell him when he hires a new football coach it better be someone good, or he’s next.

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Heritage Christian doesn't have a game scheduled that day. I looked at several teams and schedules and couldn't find out who the other teams are going to be. I wish we had more people on here who follow girls basketball. My daughter plays for Hamilton Heights. We've only had 3 games this year. Have 5 more scheduled before 1/1, so hope we get them in.

It's an annual affair with top teams. I think Heritage Christian is also there and another but I don't know who. Linton Played Triton Central last year and lost by ten. That played a large part in the Miners beating Triton Central in the tourney.

Yep. Proper blocking is simultaneously one of the most difficult and under-appreciated things in youth sports. It takes a special kid to get excited about it.

Warren Central's football stadium is called Warrior Stadium. I think it should be named for the late Larry Willen.

Parent of a CC student/player here. Been lurking for a while and the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Not at all at least as far as CCHS is concerned. I can tell you without hesitation, CC does zero recruiting for football or any other sport. Micah transferred to CC when Howe closed and we talked him into playing football. CC is not an athletics driven school - it's focused primarily on The Arts. Last season we were 6-5 with basically the same nucleus of players. Sure we added Micah and another kid from Brownsburg who didn't play until November because of transfer rules. But the core of this team started last year. We had an amazing season because we had a ton of seniors and a ton of excellent sophomores - most of whom came from our feeder school in Avon - another private school. I can tell you for sure there is no recruiting for football or any other sport happening. We don't have those resources. My son didn't even play football until 8th grade and he's in that sophomore class. Started all year, and last year when we had a lot of freshman. Next year will be a lot of rebuilding. CC should be good, but not like this year. Two years from now, though, we will be as good or maybe better than we were this year. All without one ounce of recruiting. Our coaches barely get paid. I'm telling you no one is being recruited to fill spots or anything like that. The whole program is supported by the parents as my bank account can attest. If you've ever physically been to the school you'd know this to be true. Our coach was fired because he was a running the team off and was about to lose the team after the Washington game. Our entire Sr. class was ready to walk over his inability to connect with the team. He demanded rather than earned trust and that just doesn't work for this generation. Our AD at the time let him go to save the season and possibly the program. That decision made everything possible. Coach Lyons did an exceptional job stepping in and the rest of the coaching staff were finally free to actually coach the boys. It all worked out. The state game was one of the best football games I've ever watched. I've watched it about 10 times now and I'm still amazed. Our team never quit - neither did SA. Those boys and coaches were an excellent group and a great team. We have nothing but respect for them. We won because we outlasted SA in an exhausting game....and they just couldn't stop Micah with our stellar O-line. That O-line is almost 100% back next year and will be very tough. Will be fun to see how our non-recruited players respond next year after graduating 12 seniors. Just wanted to set the record straight.

It was me. I gave up a lot of points last year lol

I’m not in any hall of fame, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time. Had to fire the guy running the defense last year. He got his @ss kicked lol

I don't know that I submitted any ID but they should know who I am since I'm a multi-year Booster and they should be able to tell from my payment info. As for the down votes, that's the pot calling the kettle black. You throw a mini tantrum (like you are here) anytime someone doesn't go out of their way to praise your team or agree with you. Aside from that, the votes mean almost nothing. I don't think they even accumulate in a reputation score like they used to. You could also rectify that problem by agreeing with me more often.

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Seeing loyalty rewarded makes this old dog very happy. Congratulations Coach Vogel! And congratulations to Columbus East for doing the right thing!!

I think the higher-risk choice would have been to stay in the NIC. Good on Mishawaka for making a choice they feel most benefits their school and athletics programs. Too much potential for instability in the NIC.

I do believe it. A lot of Purdue fans are highly disappointed with this team, but I'm not because my expectations were .500 at best. I penciled this year in, 2-3 years ago, as a developmental year and next year as the breakout year. I'm expecting 7-8 wins next year.

Ok, so I donated and was looking forward to getting rid of those pesky advertisements. But, I have to tell ya, Jen from "meet Christian singles" is definitely smoking hot!

Common Core: The Last Time Bill Gates Helped America https://spectator.org/covid-vaccination-bill-gates-common-core/ In 2015, the Obama administration replaced No Child Left Behind with the even more Orwellian program named ESSA: the Every Student Succeeds Act. Like its forebear, ESSA’s outcomes were not great. In fact, one of the promising provisions of NCLB, teacher competence — a teacher had to have mastery of the subject he or she taught — was stripped from ESSA. Unqualified teachers “taught” children. Now, in 2020, Bill Gates, the rich man trying to remake the world in his image, has new ideas for America. This time, they involve vaccination, vaccination cards, and universal testing requirements. It’s worth noting whether his old ideas have results worth emulating. George W. Bush believed that American education was failing. He was not wrong. Student test scores were sliding. There were great disparities between school districts and between states. Like today, poor children were being left behind. Politicians on the left agreed with George W. Bush. Moreover, after the hyper-partisanship of the Clinton years, George W. Bush wanted to heal America with “compassionate conservatism” borne of Christian charity. Bush, like Ted Kennedy in the Senate, was possessed of a certain noblesse oblige. He came from a great American family and was tasked with glorious purpose, as Loki would say. He wanted to heal the nation by reaching across the aisle for his first action in Congress. No Child Left Behind was born. NCLB would tie federal funds to schools improving test scores and successful outcomes. It didn’t take long for school districts, especially districts with the most challenging student populations, to realize that to get the federal dollars, they’d need to game the system. Test-taking scandals popped up across the country, most notably in Atlanta, Georgia. Teachers and administrators were implicated in taking tests for students to goose averages and qualify for federal and private grants. One teacher, Shani Robinson, refused to plead guilty to the crimes and wrote a book about the experience. She says in an NPR interview (after the obligatory racism allegations): Despite this debacle, the Obama administration decided that problem with No Child Left Behind was that the legislation didn’t go far enough. NCLB let states and local school districts create the curriculum to teach to the standardized tests. It was up to them to improve their scores. Because primary education had always been the most local of politics, even introducing national testing was controversial. But, according to the Obama administration, local school districts couldn’t be trusted to teach the right things. Enter Common Core. The timing couldn’t have been more perfect. Eight years of NCLB had resulted in lowered test scores. President Obama would save education, and tech billionaire Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation would help him. Philip Brand of Capital Research writes an excellent history of the program: No, Georgia was not picked to launch Common Core by accident. And far from locally driven standards, Common Core was adopted almost wholesale from the Gates Foundation’s initiatives. Gates Foundation grants and a snappy, newly named campaign, Race to the Top, had school districts competing for foundation grants to teach struggling kids. Did Common Core work? Did the millions of Gates Foundation dollars make a difference? Nope. In 2019, the New York Times blared, “Reading Scores on National Exam Decline in Half the States.” Far from being a success, national standards and financial incentives had made the weaknesses among American students universal and diminished any strengths they might have had. Washington, D.C., conservative intellectuals felt that the benefits of Race to the Top and Common Core outweighed the negatives. Meanwhile, conservative activists hated both the substance of Common Core and the federal government taking over education. In addition to opposing the bank bailouts, “school choice” became a Tea Party mantra. The argument for school, and parent, choice in educating children is stronger today than ever before, despite over 20 years — and, if one goes back to Lyndon Johnson’s efforts, 50 years — of federal meddling in education. If American teachers hate NCLB and Common Core, American parents loathe it, and for good reason. Both federal programs sought to modify more than just teaching standards. They aimed to change the behavior of American parents, especially. The underlying premise was that involved parents create smarter kids. The solution, then, was to force parents to be involved. Kindergartners were now coming home with homework, and parents were overwhelmed with ridiculous projects. As more women entered the workforce and as more of them were single parents, the burdens were nothing short of discriminatory. Education was front-loaded. Rather than letting young children run around and play for half the day, teachers were now cramming information into the heads of six- and seven-year-olds. The theory was that a certain amount of learning had to be in a kid’s brain by third grade or he’d be left behind. In practical effect, America’s children are now fatter and dumber. They’re denied play time, they are full of pent-up energy and anxiety, and they’re doped up on ADD medicine to suppress them. They hate school, and their growth is stunted. Then there was the inane curriculum itself. Math became a convoluted mess. Parents are still teaching their kids the “old” way, and then teachers teach kids to the tests with Common Core math. As the above test scores illustrate, the reading curriculum is no better. One of the “successes” of Common Core was that the dropout rate declined and more kids graduated. But school districts gamed that, too. They wouldn’t count kids who were withdrawn by parents or kids who were moved to alternative private schools for difficult children. These schools, often for-profit, would take the most at-risk kids, and then those kids would be “off the books” for school systems wanting to hit benchmarks. Twenty years federalizing primary education has resulted in a dumber America. Now, with big-city teachers unions rebelling against doing their jobs because of COVID, the most needy children aren’t being educated at all. Since these unions control the Democrat party, don’t expect any helpful innovation anytime soon. In fact, the new Democrat craze is to get rid of standardized testing. The answer to stupid children, evidently, is to not test them at all, as testing is “racist.” Getting rid of standardized testing means that schools may reduce their standards and not have any proof of success. Meanwhile, America gets less competitive. ***** Why is all this important? Besides the obvious implications regarding the fruitless national educational standards, the players trying to enforce these standards are all back in power. The Obama administration will be running America for a third term. They favor more government power. The current COVID crisis plays into their governing biases. The government must fix the COVID problem. An older, still utopian, Bill Gates is back, too. He has been funding vaccine research and vaccination programs around the world. This is noble. Just as funding education standards and attempting to help school districts educate children is noble. These are objectively good motives. But federal attempts and the public-private sector partnerships being created to attack these big issues tend to fall flat and end up in places not intended. Recently, Gates was on Jake Tapper’s show on CNN opining that America should be shut down, maybe through 2022. Two whole more years? This is insanity that only sounds sane to people who can afford to never leave their palatial homes again. Already, Americans will be given vaccination cards (which they can keep in their wallets!) to prove that they’re vaccinated. Want to go to a concert? Better have an app to prove your COVID status. Want to fly on a plane? Better have an app. Activists are again warning against the possible implications of COVID government power grabs. Like warnings about home loans and education, these sensible statements are getting lost. Bill Gates has great incentive to push universal vaccination. He funded the research into the vaccines. He stands to profit if there are millions of buyers. Americans are right to be concerned about federal pushes. The consequences in the past have been disastrous. Government intervention often leads to unintended results. As we learned last week, liberalized home loans lead to bank bailouts and a near-total financial collapse. Government intervention in education, with help from Gates, has resulted in dumber students, frustrated parents, and the desire to ditch all standardized testing. These are bad outcomes. When it comes to the COVID crisis, Americans are smart to be skeptical. Government interventions pave the road to hell. There’s no reason to believe that these interventions will be an exception. Agreed.

Perhaps one of the admins can tell me how X-star is tolerated, when he goes back months and down votes all of my comments?? Just curious. Do you check ID’s or can any spoiled child get on here??

Nope, not me.