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Yeah, but these are the same guys that had four points to stay up, then two, now three ... what's one Sunday among friends? Or the IHSAA? 🙂

Anderson Prep hasn't played a varsity football game since 2019. I don't know why they keep getting put in football enrollments and sectionals.

I don't think that's true. I haven't spoken to a coach that feels the official scrimmage is as important as it used to be with the current summer guidelines.

Private schools won the 5A, 7A, and 8A football championships in Illinois in 2023.

Why not? It's an Indiana high school football forum, and this is concerning an Indiana high school football coach. I will agree that rumors and speculation need not run rampant, but forums are literally built to have discussion.

So many theories have been postulated, here's my take: Premier League: Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida State, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Washington Not Quite There Yet Conference: Arizona, Arizona State, Duke, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Northwestern, Purdue, Tennessee, UCLA, Utah, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wisconsin Outlier League: Auburn, Baylor, Boise State, BYU, California, Cincinnati. Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa State, Maryland, Louisville, Miami (FL), Michigan State, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Pitt, San Diego State, South Carolina, Wake Forest What About Me Conference: Air Force, Arkansas, Army, Boston College, Colorado State, Fresno State Hawaii, Houston, Kansas State, Navy Oregon State, SMU, Stanford, South Florida, Texas Tech. Syracuse, Tulane, Utah State, Washington State, Wyoming Wretched Refuse League: Ball State, Central Florida, Florida Atlantic, Memphis, Miami (OH), New Mexico, New Mexico State, Northern Illinois, Rutgers, Temple, Tulsa, UNLV, Vanderbilt Again, not perfect, just having a little fun...

Per Harrison’s AD on Twitter/X:

I think Christianity is just ingrained in our nation in how we do things. It’s never been considered before. Not saying that’s right or wrong, but even I take for granted sometimes that other religions have Saturday as their holy day.

Yep, and one thing that makes college football unique is the fact that every week matters. That will be diminished in this new format also. The NFL “world champions” lost 6 regular season contests…

I am interested to see the approach on conference championship games now for two reasons. 1. It is impossible to fairly play a balanced schedule in the Big Ten specifically when you will only see half the conference in the regular season. 2. A team could actually be "punished" for playing in its conference championship game if it is sitting 9th or 10th in the second to last CFP rankings and loses, thus falling out of the top 11. Big Ten needs to get to 20 and just do 4 divisions of 5. You play each of your divisional opponents once, plus two from each other division. Cut one non-con game and move the season up a week. Four division winners play semis then, the two winners of those play for the conference championship. Probably makes too much sense and would never happen. East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State, Pittsburgh West: USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA, Nebraska Central: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois Midwest: Indiana, Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

I've always liked Sagamore, but the Tecumseh League could be a swell improvement. Imagine the protests...

Instead of success factor, I'd like to see other wrinkles: such as playing only 8-9 players at a time or wearing Crocs as opposed to cleats...

With the ability to do scrimmages during the summer this would make sense when trying to get a 10 game regular season.

I don't think it does. The risk of injury in a scrimmage is already present. So the risk is essentially the same. (Maybe the increased risk would be in a scrimmage, you can play in fewer snaps than an actual game.) The only difference is, you could get injured in a glorified practice game or an actual game.

The idea of "Defend the Valley", as it pertains to Avon, was thought up by 90s & 2000 DC/HC, Jon Acton. It was a play on Psalms 23. The Valley is an attitude... "Yeah, though we walk through the Valley, we shall fear no evil, for we are the baddest hombres in the Valley!" You can see it at the beginning of the MASTERPIECE that is the 1995 Avon Football Highlight Film. Featuring cutting edge graphics, wicked soundtrack, and a young #34 that now leads the Human Performance Program for the Crimson Tide. Enjoy! https://youtu.be/uQRmjlArQww?si=FXGhDEPptLFiXW05 Not trying to dispute the current head coach's explanation of its significance to his team. Merely explaining the origin.

WCGrad- good work. It looks about as good as it can get. P/P being removed from 1A makes no sense especially since that is why they instituted the SF.

Ok. Let's make this work. Scrimmage Week is Game 1 and Weeks 1-9 make a 10 game regular season. You MUST win 2 games against another IHSAA school to qualify. If you can't get 2 wins out of 10 games then just move on to basketball. For reference in 2023 there were 47 teams with 10 or 9 losses. A 9 loss team either finished 1-8 and lost Round 1 or got lucky with a draw finished 2-9 or 3-9. But to get 9 losses, you had to be 1-8 after week 9. Last year that means 315 - 47 = 268 "qualifiers" for this set up. Even could allow a few more teams that scheduled wins, because the magic number would be 272. Top 32 in enrollment = 6A tournament Remaining 240 qualifiers split into 5 even classes of 48. Seeded obviously with the top 16 in each class getting a bye and let a bunch of 2 & 3 win teams face each other round 1 (week 10 of current schedule). Week 11 is round 2, each class has 32 teams and the 6 classes will still crown champs Thanksgiving weekend in LOS. If I were omnipotent commissioner for a day, this is what I set up.

Come on....could you imagine running onto Notre Dame Stadium's turf as a Senior at list any 1A or 2A school for your final game of football... I know the post said 6A, but I think it would be interesting for any class.

In all these situations that have involved coaches in our state, I caution folks on a few things, 1. Due process This is why I hid a topic last week talking rumors of something at Glenn with Coach Barron 2. What is reported by WNDU is just that, what they reported. Which is summary of charges, nothing more, nothing less. 3. We've always taken stance going back to Coach Tim Adams days , to allow due process and sticking with to reported facts that become available if they do.

I've heard this before, but I'm trying to wrap my head around where this has happened that didn't have something wonky attached to it, perhaps outside of Cathedral. And even in the case of Cathedral, I don't think they've ever returned to their enrollment class, 4A Chatard's "move down" from 4A was based on a single season when the IHSAA implementing a COVID review and sticking them in a sectional with Roncalli. LCC moved down because the points to stay up was four points at the time. I'm trying to think through who else has yo-yo'd, perhaps outside of Pioneer ... but that's a public school and they've been 2-8 and 5-5 since moving back down and haven't made it past a first-round game. Even folks like Linton and Scecina that went up on SF were large enough after the fact, moving from 1A to 2A, to remain in 2A regardless of SF. Adams Central will end up being the third such school. Matter of fact, in 1A so far, there have been seven total instances of teams being SF'd up to 2A, with LCC being the only one to yo-yo ... again because of the four-point rule: LCC - The first and has been SF'd twice and a member of the inaugural class. Moved down once because the cutoff was four points as mentioned above. Moved back up as one of the first team's to be SF'd by doing worse in their second year of the cycle than the first in 2021. Picked up three points in the current 2A stay. Will be remaining in 2A for the next cycle. Scecina - Moved up as a result of picking up 6 points in the inaugural SF class in 2013. Up until this last season, the only team to be SF'd without a blue ring. Adams Central just joined that distinguished club. Scecina has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Linton was SF'd in the 3rd SF class since no one in 1A picked up enough points in the second SF cycle to be bumped in 2017 season. Like Scecina, has never moved back down as a result now of enrollment. Pioneer finally SF'd in 2019 after three straight appearances at LOS netting two blue rings and a red. Remained in 2A for 1 1/2 seasons before COVID half-season sent them back down to 1A. As noted above, haven't escaped a first round 1A game with a win since. Adams Central just joined the Scecina/Pioneer having three straight LOS appearances combined with no blue rings. Will likely not end up coming down as they are likely to join the other distinct club: the Linton/Scecina club where they get SF'd and get too big to come down regardless of SF. Lutheran just joined the Pioneer club along with the WeBo club in that they had three straight LOS appearances and also picked up three straight blue rings. Will see need to wait to see if they don't weather 2A, but last year they likely could have easily gotten to 2A semi-state. As such, since the end of the 2012 season, six programs in 1A have been SF'd with the very unique situations of two-thirds of the programs being bumped in just a pair of SF cycles. Of interest is the mix is three p/p and three public. Only two 1A teams out of six have returned, LCC and Pioneer, and, in the case of LCC, it was because the requirement was four points to stay. Technically, LCC is the only one to really yo-yo and, again, due to the four-point rule. With the data points, I'm not seeing 1A at much risk; especially if the argument is that the p/ps have enormous benefits, as SF will address it and, the potential discrepancies at the lower levels are much more likely to NOT have p/p programs returning back down from a 2A environment.

The editor timed out before I finished. A player who lines up and is neither a back nor a lineman, if he is not the QB, causes the formation to be illegal under 7-2-3. He can’t legally go downfield on a pass, he’s not an eligible receiver, he can’t legally touch a forward pass, and he can’t be in motion at the snap unless he fulfills the requirements of 7-2-7. All of these are fouls. All routinely occur when the wingback lines up too close to the LOS. All are routinely ignored. Until now? Stay tuned. @US31 does that answer your question?

After reading through this thread - I actually think I've come around to the idea that is should be the BIGGEST 32 in 6A and the smallest 32 in 1A - then split the rest as evenly as you can.

Why a stunner? Am I missing something? Munster got one of the good ones. Elkhart lost out. Coach is a great leader of men and will do a great job leading the program.

Perhaps he was on a “hunting trip”, I seem to recall one of his predecessors that had a penchant for that sort of thing when he was a little camera shy.

This should help with recruiting!! 🤣