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Agreed. Day 1 DB drills. Hand on the hip/love handle area = rarely a flag Armbar across the chest = always a flag

Definite tip of the cap to the 3rd team today. Several bang-bang calls with fumbles/spots. The holding late with the 4th down measurement before WeBo decided accept/decline. And the unfortunate kick catch and defensive pass interference calls that were 100% the right call. A penalty is a penalty whether in the first or 48th minute. The crew was top notch in my book as expected.

8/9 on 3rd down for WeBo 2/3 on 3rd down for BL If I’m not mistaken, both failed attempts were fourth down conversions. So the 2 turnovers were the only defensive stops that half.

My point was that if the team in white was St. Webo, I have a suspicion we would be discussing the weakness of a hard 2 year reclassification. Instead you want to turn it into a referendum on every P/P school in the state. I don’t care who wins this game at all. Right now the game is hinging on 3rd and 4th down conversions and protecting the football. Just like every other game. I’m not an odd front fan, but I am curious to see how BL employs it against the Wing T and unbalanced looks of Webo.

I just repeated what the announcers said on the broadcast. So blame them for cherry picking. And yes. Please combine pre success factor and post success factor appearances because that is a complete picture as well.

Luers making its first appearance since 2012 in the state finals. Webo has won 17 straight 2A playoff games and trying to win their 3rd straight 2A championship. But Luers is the school we’re supposed to be upset about if they win today, right? Just checking.

Agree completely. 6A would be the only class it would work for. 2A - Luers vs WeBo and Mater Dei vs Pioneer 3A - Southridge vs Chatard and Mish Marian vs Danville 4A - Hobart vs Mooresville and Roncalli vs Marion Imagine you could have had Evansville Central and Hobart being a semi-state matchup. Crazy.

According to this thread, this game will be the deciding factor about who wins on Saturday.

Just curious - what are the chances that BOTH teams will be in 4A next year? Obviously Chatard will be, but Danville was one of the largest 3A's this time around. As far as this game, I'm not sure a 2017 matchup under a different coach means a whole lot. I watched parts of both games last Friday and came away impressed with Danville's speed in limiting Southridge. They also had a some interesting schemes to take advantage of what Southridge tries to do defensively. Chatard looked solid on both sides.

Consolidation killed nickname creativity here in SW Indiana. The Poseyville Poseys merged into North Posey Vikings. Haubstadt Elites, Fort Branch Twigs, and Owensville Kickapoos became the Gibson Southern Titans. Mt Olympus Olympians consolidated to Princeton Tigers. Holland Dutchmen joined into Southridge Raiders. Oakland City Acorns are now part of the Wood Memorial Trojans. And my personal favorite, the Monroe City Blue Jeans consolidated into the South Knox Spartans.

If you were trying to be punny, well played. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_of_Old_Vincennes (For the rest of the illiterate rubes out there like me...)

Chatard will be 4A next year with the SF. I see Danville was one of the largest 3A schools this last time around. What are the chances they move up to 4A by enrollment?

In the words of Dennis Green ‘They are who we thought they were.’ I was pulling for both SIAC schools but not completely surprised with the outcomes.

I interpreted the IHSAA’s intention of setting the schedule as an attempt to boost PAID attendance, not the number of fans at any particular game. For example, fans are going to drive the ‘21 Miles’ to Lucas Oil whether they play Friday or Saturday. But I know plenty of people who drove the 200 miles from Evansville because Memorial (3A) and Reitz(4A) played back to back on Saturday morning in 2009. In 2018 they stayed home and watched both Memorial and Central in because 3/4A were separate days. More ticket sales was the goal not the value of watching two games was my interpretation. I could be wrong and also this year’s COVID math completely changes the equation too.

I wonder if things would have been different had Valpo won. Maybe. Merrillville (6A) would have been right after Hobart so that would not have changed things. I guess South Adams/Luers as A/2A didn't warrant consideration to schedule back to back. Then again with COVID restrictions, it would have been a rough year to try to boost attendance anyway.

Tough turn of events there for Pioneer. Not sure I understand the last timeout though. Tackled the player on 2nd down with 1:00 left. But then the timeout doesn't come until :43 seconds left? No chance of a 4th down play losing those 17 seconds. Although it's easy to sit here and say that. I've been guilty of some bad timeouts in the heat of the moment myself, so I'm in a glass house for sure. Just curious if anyone else caught that.

Consider me 100% in the Kick camp. I've just known some coaches who might go for the jugular then but was curious what others think. Glad my thinking isn't off base!

What do you think - you score to go up 7 and the other team always goes for 2. You have to kick and make it 8 pts right? Or would you be crazy enough to go for 2 and make it 9?

I thought Chatard/Marian was going to be the finish of the night. Luers 35, Pioneer 34 with 8:15 to go. Buckle up, it will be another good one.

Danville with a 65 yard TD pass. Missed XP. Lead 20-7 over Southridge.

Haven't had time to digest this idea yet - but quick question. Didn't football used to be "male enrollment" for classification? I'm almost positive that was the case when I played. Or at least our joke was "They told the IHSAA everybody named Chris was short for Christina." Seemed funny at the time... 🤷‍♂️

I have been thinking about this thread, probably a little too much this week. I am not naive enough to think the keyboard warriors of a message board will have much sway over IHSAA opinion, especially because your post and others in this thread are a little too logical and rational for that. But I digress. One of the issues in this debate is the strict lumping of P/Ps into a one-size-fits-all category. Hat tip to @Esso Ayche for his data dive into the last decade, but notice we are talking about FOUR (4) schools in Ft. Wayne, Lafayette, and Indianapolis and used their success as the catalyst to change the statewide playoff system with the SF points. To Gibson Southern fans like yourself 2013, 2015, and 2016 are all the same. A great team that had their season ended by a P/P school. Never mind that in 2013 it was Brebeuf, 2015 it was Chatard, and 2016 was Memorial. Memorial fans can give a long list of how they are different from the Indianapolis schools, and Chatard and Brebeuf can point out distinct differences between a private Jesuit school and an Archdiocesan school. And all three schools will show differences between Evansville Day, Evansville Christian, Cathedral, Park Tudor, and La Lumiere - other members of the P/P grouping. Pardon the poor analogy, but I assume Gibson Southern would bristle as well to be grouped with East Noble, Western Boone, and North Vermillion with constant banter about how Directional County Schools (DCS) have had playoff success the last 3-4 years. This is one sticking point that prevents discussion every time a multiplier is raised. A second problem with a multiplier is that it would be hard to quantify exactly what it should be. I thoroughly enjoyed @George Orwell 2's statistics refresher although he didn't draw a distinction between which variables are endogenous and exogeneous. (Nerd joke.) Put another way, we are trying to set up classifications based upon success, but success is also determined by the initial classification. Cathedral as a 4A school is much different than Cathedral as a 6A school. But the same could be said for New Pal and Columbus East. Additionally, some who favor a multiplier give no justification for 1.5, 1.6, 1.8. 2.0, etc. The only explanation DT has given for a 2.0 is that other states have 1.6 and 1.85 and it doesn't seem to do enough. Well if Spinal Tap logic is all we need, let's turn it all the way up to 11. I don't want to conflate football success with classification though. If any school has witnessed the impact of non-enrollment variables like a new coach, community support, and administrative support (especially Principal and AD are outstanding) it is GS. Those are big boosts to any program, regardless of enrollment. Not to mention a growing local economy is a big benefit was well. Which leads me to my point and the reason I quoted you. A point you made came up in a conversation I had with my son earlier this week. I mentioned a grade school classmate of his and he remarked, "He decided to go to Signature School, but his sister goes to Memorial." The student in question was a good student, but had minimal athletic ability. And that is the advantage of a non-district school vs. a district school. In a public school, there's a much greater chance that both siblings will be enrolled there, even if one really only desires to be in academics and not extra-curricular activities/athletics. There are athletes at Memorial/Mater Dei who have siblings attending public schools. It has been discussed on this board that a key starter for an Evansville P/P has a sibling who is a starter for a nearby DCS. With your 15-20% estimate, you have at least tried to reasonably capture this self-selection phenomenon. That sounds a touch low perhaps, but I could see the case for a 1.25 if it was backed with evidence and data. A simple multiplier like 1.85 or 2.0, take it or leave it, "just because" argument will be and should be met with resistance.

IIRC, wasn't part of the issue a pre-game Mass and meal at St. Meinrad in 2009? I thought that is what I heard.. a bit of a long-winded sermon and a recruiting pitch to answer a call to the vocation? That might just be urban legend around these parts though. But yes, the roads in and out of the bowl are extremely unfriendly to visiting buses and fans. My family member that needs a walker hates the bowl for that reason alone.

I don’t buy that sectional assignments are too difficult to accomplish every year. Heck, states that have a qualifier system re-do the entire tournament each year. It’s 2020. I’m sure I could find a computer science or math major that could write an algorithm to minimize travel distances in 8 team clusters. An algorithm wouldn’t spit out beauties like Sectional 28 though. That’s why it will never happen.

Western Boone is the best team in the state. I heard they beat the Colts in a scrimmage this summer.