Temp’s Preseason Top 50

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

Or we could flip the script and ask how the Snider O will go against WC's D.  Looks like they have the #1, #6, and #18 ranked recruits in the state according to 247...all on D.  Offers to the SEC, Big 10 and ACC.

https://247sports.com/season/2025-football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=highschool&State=IN

 

I guess we'll see. Snider starts a new QB, new RB, and four new faces on the offensive line. 

[temptation]

38 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said:

Also, doesn't WC have a 3-star Safety transfer from Cathedral  

Yes.  Sub 11 second 100 meter guy.

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yes.  Sub 11 second 100 meter guy.

So Warren went out and got a RB, QB, and a S? Sounds like they're doing what they need to do to be what Ben Davis was last year. Yet another challenge the smaller schools have to face. Not only are these mega's massively larger than their competition, they are amping it up with transfers...........ouch! And here I thought Mike Kirschner was a good enough coach using the resources already given to him. If you can't win with x's and o's, might as well do it with the Jimmys and Joes. 

[temptation]

31 minutes ago, BTF said:

So Warren went out and got a RB, QB, and a S? Sounds like they're doing what they need to do to be what Ben Davis was last year. Yet another challenge the smaller schools have to face. Not only are these mega's massively larger than their competition, they are amping it up with transfers...........ouch! And here I thought Mike Kirschner was a good enough coach using the resources already given to him. If you can't win with x's and o's, might as well do it with the Jimmys and Joes. 

Safety was already there last year.

Some folks giggled earlier this offseason when I told them I needed to see how the transfer portal played out before creating any type of rankings…

Edited August 14, 2024 by temptation

[Boilernation]

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Safety was already there last year.

Some folks giggled earlier this offseason when I told them I needed to see how the transfer portal played out before creating any type of rankings…

I couldn't imagine giving up a Westfield or Cathedral education to play football at Warren. 

[BTF]

19 minutes ago, temptation said:

Safety was already there last year.

Some folks giggled earlier this offseason when I told them I needed to see how the transfer portal played out before creating any type of rankings…

I understood. You saw the writing on the wall before most, so kudos to you. I can justify the high ranking considering the circumstances, but how high? People felt WC was loaded last year going into Week 1, but expectations fell short. 

I think Warren Central's major hurdle is coaching turnover. There doesn't seem to be much stability in that department. I think a program becomes 100% reliant on athletes. Programs aren't built over night, in fact, it can take years to get to a point where you're reloading directly from the pipeline that you built. I think Center Grove is a good example of that out of the Indy area. Moore wasn't winning when he first started at the rate he is now. Same could be said for Hart at Brownsburg. Gilbert at Westfield. Michael Kelly seems to be on his way at HSE. Now you have guys like Kirschner and Curry (Elkhart) who are trying to get rich over night. Maybe I'm wrong. As always, I'll defer to the Indy guys on this. 

[Bash Riprock]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Technically I believe the kid ranked #18 plays OL but you also forgot the #1 ranked player in the 2026 class.

My bad...you are correct....looked at it wrong.  And you are correct...I did not look at 2026 at all.

[Bash Riprock]

31 minutes ago, temptation said:

Some folks giggled earlier this offseason when I told them I needed to see how the transfer portal played out before creating any type of rankings…

I wasn't one of them....to be fair, township schools like Warren and BD have been drawing from IPS for years.....it now looks like they have expanded their search....

[BTF]

Just now, Bash Riprock said:

I wasn't one of them....to be fair, township schools like Warren and BD have been drawing from IPS for years.....it now looks like they have expanded their search....

So what is this telling competitors in 6A? Ditch the "next man up" approach and go out and get players in order to win state titles? I don't think that's fair to the kids who have been with the program from the beginning. But hey, win first, kids second. Egos are out of control. 

[Boilernation]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Technically I believe the kid ranked #18 plays OL but you also forgot the #1 ranked player in the 2026 class.

Is JJ the son of Jerimy? Looks similiar in the his 247 pic.

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

I couldn't imagine giving up a Westfield or Cathedral education to play football at Warren. 

I can’t speak to the Cathedral transfer but to put it kindly, let’s just the Westfield kid didn’t voluntarily “give it up.”

(I’ve probably already said too much.)

21 minutes ago, BTF said:

I understood. You saw the writing on the wall before most, so kudos to you. I can justify the high ranking considering the circumstances, but how high? People felt WC was loaded last year going into Week 1, but expectations fell short. 

I think Warren Central's major hurdle is coaching turnover. There doesn't seem to be much stability in that department. I think a program becomes 100% reliant on athletes. Programs aren't built over night, in fact, it can take years to get to a point where you're reloading directly from the pipeline that you built. I think Center Grove is a good example of that out of the Indy area. Moore wasn't winning when he first started at the rate he is now. Same could be said for Hart at Brownsburg. Gilbert at Westfield. Michael Kelly seems to be on his way at HSE. Now you have guys like Kirschner and Curry (Elkhart) who are trying to get rich over night. Maybe I'm wrong. As always, I'll defer to the Indy guys on this. 

Not asking for credit for being first…it’s just the nature of modern day athletics.

13 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Is JJ the son of Jerimy? Looks similiar in the his 247 pic.

Yes.

[Bash Riprock]

26 minutes ago, BTF said:

So what is this telling competitors in 6A? Ditch the "next man up" approach and go out and get players in order to win state titles? I don't think that's fair to the kids who have been with the program from the beginning. But hey, win first, kids second. Egos are out of control. 

No disagreement at all....especially with one of the largest schools in the state.  I would hope they'd focus much more on their feeder systems and player development as well.  

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

No disagreement at all....especially with one of the largest schools in the state.  I would hope they'd focus much more on their feeder systems and player development as well.  

I just don't get it. What do you tell the QB, RB, and S who were all in line to get their opportunity? "Sorry, you're not good enough, so we're bringing someone in." I don't like it. I won't harp on it. To each their own. I've already eliminated 70% of my sports out of my life, 100% is right around the corner. 

[Justasportsfan]

2 hours ago, Slobberknocker said:

Also, doesn't WC have a 3-star Safety transfer from Cathedral  

Good grief..they sound loaded..wc had a few mistakes last year that seemed to be routine plays. Imo they can be a 6a contender this year if they get their fundamentals back right..i.e. catching wide open passes..

Edited August 14, 2024 by Justasportsfan

[scarab527]

Generally speaking, if you’re not good enough at your job, your company will find someone else who is and replace you with them. Teaching kids that it doesn’t matter how good they are as long as they “wait their turn” is just setting them up for future failures and disappointments. It’s a dog eat dog world boys, get used to it. Better that kids learn it as kids as opposed to as adults. 

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Generally speaking, if you’re not good enough at your job, your company will find someone else who is and replace you with them. Teaching kids that it doesn’t matter how good they are as long as they “wait their turn” is just setting them up for future failures and disappointments. It’s a dog eat dog world boys, get used to it. Better that kids learn it as kids as opposed to as adults. 

Damn.  What a way to go through life.

[scarab527]

Just now, temptation said:

Damn.  What a way to go through life.

Such is the way of the world. Best to embrace it rather than to deny it. 

 

Soft mentality from you here tbh. 

[Justasportsfan]

10 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Generally speaking, if you’re not good enough at your job, your company will find someone else who is and replace you with them. Teaching kids that it doesn’t matter how good they are as long as they “wait their turn” is just setting them up for future failures and disappointments. It’s a dog eat dog world boys, get used to it. Better that kids learn it as kids as opposed to as adults. 

Somewhat agree here..yes its a travesty that the senior wr that runs a 5.4 40 who waited his whole life doesn't get as many plays as the Jr transfer running a 4.4..some schools have lost blue rings simply due to talent being on the sidelines and in the stands..let your best kids play..don't have the senior sit the whole game though..would he rather start n lose every game or win some hardware while being a team player??

[BTF]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Damn.  What a way to go through life.

I guess just start telling 5th graders not to bother. "No son, you're way to feminine. I'm not paying for you to play soccer."

4 minutes ago, Justasportsfan said:

Somewhat agree here..yes its a travesty that the senior wr that runs a 5.4 40 who waited his whole life doesn't get as many plays as the Jr transfer running a 4.4..some schools have lost blue rings simply due to talent being on the sidelines and in the stands..let your best kids play..don't have the senior sit the whole game though..would he rather start n lose every game or win some hardware while being a team player??

Work with the kids you have. My neighborhood vs yours. 

[Justasportsfan]

4 minutes ago, BTF said:

I guess just start telling 5th graders not to bother. "No son, you're way to feminine. I'm not paying for you to play soccer."

Work with the kids you have. My neighborhood vs yours. 

Yes and sometimes your neighborhood just isn't good enough..nothing wrong with a little help..b4 open enrollment that 2004 team wouldn't have had half the talent if they stuck with only those who came up in the feeder programs..so as long as they enroll as freshmen then its all good?

[scarab527]

1 minute ago, Justasportsfan said:

Yes and sometimes your neighborhood just isn't good enough..nothing wrong with a little help..b4 open enrollment that 2004 team wouldn't have had half the talent if they stuck with only those who came up in the feeder programs..so as long as they enroll as freshmen then its all good?

Don’t bring logic into this… this is about pearl clutching and grown men’s feelings getting hurt about high school kids transferring

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

I wasn't one of them....to be fair, township schools like Warren and BD have been drawing from IPS for years.....it now looks like they have expanded their search....

I made a comment in a different thread about open enrollment hurting some P/P schools and got mocked for it, but it certainly holds true.

Pre open-enrollment, you played for your local public school OR you ponied up and played at a private school. There were some instances where families got good at manipulating a friend or families address, but for the most part, the IHSAA sniffed it out. Township and County schools have been taking full advantage of this. There's a reason why a kid can play 3 years at Westfield and end up at Warren Central. There's a reason why Lawrence Township kids flock across county lines to Mt Vernon. There's a reason why IPS athletes have been gutted by the some of the schools you've mentioned.

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, Justasportsfan said:

Yes and sometimes your neighborhood just isn't good enough..nothing wrong with a little help..b4 open enrollment that 2004 team wouldn't have had half the talent if they stuck with only those who came up in the feeder programs..so as long as they enroll as freshmen then its all good?

I think so. When you enter high school, you know you're now competing with a whole new crop of kids. I just hate to see a kid put in two or three years of hard work only to be told, "nah, we're bringing in someone else."

[Justasportsfan]

2 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Don’t bring logic into this… this is about pearl clutching and grown men’s feelings getting hurt about high school kids transferring

Ehh maybe tradition n loyalty..I understand the sentiment yet when you have a star player wanting to lace em up the memories of titles feel alot better than playing time..imho..back in the day it was cut and dry n kids knew not to transfer...in today's world ill hand out a few hundred dollar handshakes myself n ill be danged if he sits the bench!! I kid 😑

[Justasportsfan]

Just now, BTF said:

I think so. When you enter high school, you know you're now competing with a whole new crop of kids. I just hate to see a kid put in two or three years of hard work only to be told, "nah, we're bringing in someone else."

What about the transfer who only comes in due to a parent gaining or losing a job? Or perhaps now has to live with grandma..I'm not saying bench the guy who showed up everyday..I love Rudy myself..I'm just saying give em both some time to shine.."🏆🏆heck coach we like district titles round these parts" in my varsity blues vc