Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said: HAHA get the Luers fans fired up. Lose the 3A State Championship, reward...go to 4A. Cascade wins the 3A State Championship, reward...go to 2A. Something isn't quite adding up right here. Cascade from my memory had an unbelievable SR class this past year, so lets say that 90% of their O/D production has graduated, why should the the classes behind them get penalized ? For point of conversation Quote
Justasportsfan Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said: HAHA get the Luers fans fired up. Lose the 3A State Championship, reward...go to 4A. Cascade wins the 3A State Championship, reward...go to 2A. Something isn't quite adding up right here. U beat me to it. How in the heck does that happen? They must have not won a sectional the previous year. Good grief. On another note, FW North drops to 4A and has 4 D1 recruits...whew..i hear the whistles already...that hype train is gearing up to leave the station! Quote
crimsonace1 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 5 hours ago, BDGiant93 said: Someone gets a 5th team in one of the Sectionals in 6A. Do they do it up north or down south? It's a bit messy. I could see them sending Zionsville south with Pike, BD, Brownsburg and Avon then sliding Harrison into Sectional 4. Gets really interesting between Sectionals 2 & 3. Which FW team goes to 2 as Homestead, Carroll and Northrop could all be candidates since they won't split HSE & Fishers. Guess 1 Sectional 1 Sectional 2 Sectional 3 Sectional 4 Crown Point Penn Fishers Carmel Lake Central Elkhart HSE Westfield Merrillville Valpo Carroll Zionsville Portage Homestead FW Northrop Noblesville Harrison (WL) Sectional 5 Sectional 6 Sectional 7 Sectional 8 Ben Davis North Central DC Jeffersonville Avon Warren FC Whiteland Brownsburg LN Perry Columbus N Pike LC Southport CG Guess 2 Sectional 1 Sectional 2 Sectional 3 Sectional 4 Crown Point Penn Fishers Carmel Lake Central Elkhart HSE Westfield Merrillville Valpo Carroll Harrison (WL) Portage Homestead FW Northrop Noblesville Sectional 5 Sectional 6 Sectional 7 Sectional 8 Ben Davis North Central DC Jeffersonville Avon Warren FC Whiteland Brownsburg LN Perry Columbus N Pike LC Southport CG Zionsville Remember that DC goes back to 5A if it doesn't win a regional this year ... so I wouldn't be surprised to see them be in the 5-team sectional just in case that adjustment needs to be made. 2 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 3 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said: That is when they jumped across the border: Illiana Christian was Illinois school until 2018-19, then they announced and started the process, then by 2022, they went through the process to become IHSAA eligible for all sports. Now they have added Football recently 1 Quote
Titan32 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 29 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said: Cascade from my memory had an unbelievable SR class this past year, so lets say that 90% of their O/D production has graduated, why should the the classes behind them get penalized ? For point of conversation Two members of their coaching staff told me "this is it", we won't smell this again...maybe never. Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 18 minutes ago, Titan32 said: Two members of their coaching staff told me "this is it", we won't smell this again...maybe never. Right on, followed from WAY far, but remember a HUGE SR class of success. Quote
US31 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Chatard...4A by enrollment. This is the first time, correct? Previously it was always due to SF? 1 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Just found out: IC started JV in 2025 season, will play JV ball in 2026, and Varsity in 2027, YEAR 2 of this current cycle makes sense 2 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Just found out: IC started JV in 2025 season, will play JV ball in 2026, and Varsity in 2027, YEAR 2 of this current cycle makes sense 4 minutes ago, US31 said: Chatard...4A by enrollment. This is the first time, correct? Previously it was always due to SF? From my memory, I believe so Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said: Cascade from my memory had an unbelievable SR class this past year, so lets say that 90% of their O/D production has graduated, why should the the classes behind them get penalized ? For point of conversation I understand what you are saying with penalizing the underclassmen but.....couldn't that be said about a lot of public schools(and some private) that have had to move up in the years past due to the success factor? I'm not saying make Cascade go up to 4A and play but to me based on the success factor they should have to stay in 3A for one more cycle before going down because of enrollment. I'm not saying anything needs to be changed this year either but I think the IHSAA needs to look into having something in writing to explain why this is okay one way or the other for a team winning a state championship and moving down a class because I don't think there is anything to this point. 1 Quote
WWFan Posted March 5 Posted March 5 6 hours ago, kdets89 said: 2A South adds the defending 3A state champs (Cascade) and the defending 1A state champs (South Putnam), in addition to Providence. 2A South is loaded. Providence most likely joining Brownstown sectional should be fun. May lead to Providence kicking kids out after Christmas so they can drop back down. I kid i kid....🤣 1 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said: I understand what you are saying with penalizing the underclassmen but.....couldn't that be said about a lot of public schools(and some private) that have had to move up in the years past due to the success factor? I'm not saying make Cascade go up to 4A and play but to me based on the success factor they should have to stay in 3A for one more cycle before going down because of enrollment. I'm not saying anything needs to be changed this year either but I think the IHSAA needs to look into having something in writing to explain why this is okay one way or the other for a team winning a state championship and moving down a class because I don't think there is anything to this point. which brings back to the initial IFCA proposal that Commish Cox tore up and did it his way anyways.. 4 year cycle, vs 2 year, I think it was 10 points not 6 points in those 4 years, that would of addressed that immediately Then the ole loopholes started and teams on classification years go a pass if it worked out there way, so now we have the "rolling Success Factor" vs having it attached to just the just reclassification years 2 Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 5 Posted March 5 https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1NciF91zy63EMbqP18JsTnlvm4LFnG3o&usp=sharing Updated classes for sectionals. Again didn't take a lot of time with all of them but a general idea for people to go off of. 2 Quote
Gatorguy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Just spitballing here, so hold the pitchforks please. What if you split the classes further. Group the 1st 17 in 6A LARGE Next 16, 6A SMALL 5A LARGE the next 16 5A SMALL the next 17 Emphasis on grouping schools closer in enrollment 1st, then by geographic location. And yes, I'd throw the 4 largest schools in the state into the same sectional and go from there. Quote
US31 Posted March 6 Posted March 6 9 hours ago, Gatorguy said: Just spitballing here, so hold the pitchforks please. What if you split the classes further. Group the 1st 17 in 6A LARGE Next 16, 6A SMALL 5A LARGE the next 16 5A SMALL the next 17 Emphasis on grouping schools closer in enrollment 1st, then by geographic location. And yes, I'd throw the 4 largest schools in the state into the same sectional and go from there. Honestly, anymore there are really only two outliers in size. The rest of the "top" of 6A isn't signfiicantly different. Quote
1st_and_10 Posted March 6 Posted March 6 16 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: Right on, followed from WAY far, but remember a HUGE SR class of success. Their Sr class was HUGE... 19 of them and a lot of production both on the offensive side of the ball and defensive side of the ball. They have a couple of guys coming back that are solid (Turner, probably the next FB and MLB) and Farmer (Wing and speedy, and Safety). They got a transfer QB from Tri-West. It wasn't that long ago, Webo graduated a lot of dudes... And went and won 2A again in 2020. They may have the 1A champ in their sectional... South Put and Cascade aren't that far apart. Quote
Indiana Fan Posted March 6 Posted March 6 12 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1NciF91zy63EMbqP18JsTnlvm4LFnG3o&usp=sharing Updated classes for sectionals. Again didn't take a lot of time with all of them but a general idea for people to go off of. I think you nailed 6A. The more I look at it, especially with a map, you have to place the 5 team sectional up in the NW corner of indiana. Sectional 1- Crown Point, Valpo, Merrillville, Lake Central, Portage Sectional 2- Elkhart, Penn, Northrop, Carroll Sectional 3- Homestead, Noblesville, HSE, Fishers Sectional 4- Harrison, Westfield, Zionsville, Carmel Sectional 5- Pike, Brownsburg, Avon, Ben Davis Sectional 6- North central, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, Warren Central Sectional 7- Decatur Central, Perry, Southport, Franklin Central Sectional 8- CG, Whiteland, Columbus North, Jeffersonville This makes too much sense for 6A. Thanks for doing this! 1 Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 6 Posted March 6 22 hours ago, JQWL said: 2A Guess https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1Iifc5uvnMl70viywCGtlqTmaEs9kTMg&ll=39.0613724472206%2C-86.69486896233205&z=8 Big question for me is what they do for regionals in 2A this next year. In the past in the North at least it has been Northeast and Southeast sectionals matchup in the regional and Northwest and Southwest sectionals matchup for regional. Might be more east and west matchup this year. Same could probably be said for the South this year. Not sure how they have had it set up in previous years. Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Probably the most difficult one will be what they choose to do with the 4A North Teams that run along or within reach of 31. A lot of teams on the outside of the state in the North with a bunch of teams scattered all down 31. Might have to pull a few Indy area teams there to create the last Sectional in 4A Quote
Frozen Tundra Posted March 6 Posted March 6 14 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1NciF91zy63EMbqP18JsTnlvm4LFnG3o&usp=sharing Updated classes for sectionals. Again didn't take a lot of time with all of them but a general idea for people to go off of. @Indiana Fan This definitely makes the most sense from a geographical standpoint. However, the IHSAA has shown they won’t want to do a major reshuffling of sectionals in the event teams get moved down in the middle of a two-year classification period. Decatur Central needs to make semi-state in 2026 in order to remain in 6A. The likelihood of that happening is very slim. So if they have to drop back down for 2027 then that leaves their sectional at 3 teams and southern Indiana at 15 teams compared to the 17 teams up north you have laid out here. I anticipate Decatur Central will be part of the five-team sectional to offset this. One of those northern teams is going to end up in the south and Zionsville seems like the best bet. As much as I would prefer your alignment, the IHSAA is not going to like it. Now New Palestine could easily get to semi-state in 5A and replace Decatur Central in 6A in 2027 but there are no guarantees of that. Therefore, this is my best guess of what we’ll see: Sectional 1 - Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Portage Sectional 2 - Carroll, Elkhart, Penn, Valparaiso Sectional 3 - Carmel, Harrison, Noblesville, Westfield Sectional 4 - Fishers, Fort Wayne Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead Sectional 5 - Avon, Brownsburg, Pike, Zionsville Sectional 6 - Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central, Warren Central Sectional 7 - Ben Davis, Decatur Central, Franklin Central, Perry Meridian, Southport Sectional 8 - Center Grove, Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Whiteland Regardless of whether or not Decatur Central remains in 6A for 2027 or gets moved back down to 5A, if New Palestine moves up to 6A in 2027 then you can just plug them into sectional 6 with the east side Indy schools. 1 1 Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 6 Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: @Indiana Fan This definitely makes the most sense from a geographical standpoint. However, the IHSAA has shown they won’t want to do a major reshuffling of sectionals in the event teams get moved down in the middle of a two-year classification period. Decatur Central needs to make semi-state in 2026 in order to remain in 6A. The likelihood of that happening is very slim. So if they have to drop back down for 2027 then that leaves their sectional at 3 teams and southern Indiana at 15 teams compared to the 17 teams up north you have laid out here. I anticipate Decatur Central will be part of the five-team sectional to offset this. One of those northern teams is going to end up in the south and Zionsville seems like the best bet. As much as I would prefer your alignment, the IHSAA is not going to like it. Now New Palestine could easily get to semi-state in 5A and replace Decatur Central in 6A in 2027 but there are no guarantees of that. Therefore, this is my best guess of what we’ll see: Sectional 1 - Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Portage Sectional 2 - Carroll, Elkhart, Penn, Valparaiso Sectional 3 - Carmel, Harrison, Noblesville, Westfield Sectional 4 - Fishers, Fort Wayne Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead Sectional 5 - Avon, Brownsburg, Pike, Zionsville Sectional 6 - Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central, Warren Central Sectional 7 - Ben Davis, Decatur Central, Franklin Central, Perry Meridian, Southport Sectional 8 - Center Grove, Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Whiteland Regardless of whether or not Decatur Central remains in 6A for 2027 or gets moved back down to 5A, if New Palestine moves up to 6A in 2027 then you can just plug them into sectional 6 with the east side Indy schools. Good call, didn't take these things into account when trying to fly through all 6 classes. Quote
Indiana Fan Posted March 6 Posted March 6 26 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: @Indiana Fan This definitely makes the most sense from a geographical standpoint. However, the IHSAA has shown they won’t want to do a major reshuffling of sectionals in the event teams get moved down in the middle of a two-year classification period. Decatur Central needs to make semi-state in 2026 in order to remain in 6A. The likelihood of that happening is very slim. So if they have to drop back down for 2027 then that leaves their sectional at 3 teams and southern Indiana at 15 teams compared to the 17 teams up north you have laid out here. I anticipate Decatur Central will be part of the five-team sectional to offset this. One of those northern teams is going to end up in the south and Zionsville seems like the best bet. As much as I would prefer your alignment, the IHSAA is not going to like it. Now New Palestine could easily get to semi-state in 5A and replace Decatur Central in 6A in 2027 but there are no guarantees of that. Therefore, this is my best guess of what we’ll see: Sectional 1 - Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, Portage Sectional 2 - Carroll, Elkhart, Penn, Valparaiso Sectional 3 - Carmel, Harrison, Noblesville, Westfield Sectional 4 - Fishers, Fort Wayne Northrop, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead Sectional 5 - Avon, Brownsburg, Pike, Zionsville Sectional 6 - Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, North Central, Warren Central Sectional 7 - Ben Davis, Decatur Central, Franklin Central, Perry Meridian, Southport Sectional 8 - Center Grove, Columbus North, Jeffersonville, Whiteland Regardless of whether or not Decatur Central remains in 6A for 2027 or gets moved back down to 5A, if New Palestine moves up to 6A in 2027 then you can just plug them into sectional 6 with the east side Indy schools. Exactly. This is definitely something to consider. And those sectionals seem good to me as well. Multiple ways to do it. The IHSAA has made it difficult for themselves with this rolling 2 year SF. 1 Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted March 6 Posted March 6 They needed to find a way to justify taking two months to create the sectional alignments haha....I kid, I kid. 1 Quote
oldtimeqb Posted March 6 Posted March 6 I'm thinking Claude, ChatGPT, or Gemini will redo the sectionals. The question is whether it can be prompted to know that North Central (Farmersburg) and North Central are two completely different schools. And Harrison (Lafayette) and Evansville Harrison. And 3A with SB Washington, Indy Washington, and Washington HS will need a lot of prompting to keep straight. 1 Quote
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