IHSAA to vote on NIL

[First_Backer_Inside]

14 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Great comments and I appreciate your thoughts/education.

My fear, and perhaps unfounded, is recruiting becomes an "unofficial" part of the game....thus the "under the table" question I asked earlier.  Will the wealthier school districts with influential individuals and businesses now have an opening?  I understand it wouldn't be legal, but can the IHSAA police and enforce?  

I do understand this could occur now without NIL, but I can't help from wondering if this could create unintended consequences.  

Sorry to ramble and thanks for the conversation....perhaps I am just an old guy afraid of change!!!

 

From what I understand it is the job of the school to police and enforce themselves....I'm sure every program in the state can be trusted to follow the rules. Just like every program follows the rules of limited-contact.

[jets]

Haven't read every single reply to this thread - just adding my general thoughts on the subject:

1. Was there some kind of "threat" that High Schools were going to start openly paying players (i.e. collectives in NCAA) that the IHSAA thought they needed to pass this?? 

2. From what I gather - if a shady businessman/woman/company wants to start paying athletes to come play for their community - that could happen before this bill was passed?? You may not have known about it - but not certain you could say it was illegal for a company to pay someone to work for them?? 

3. We're not too far away from companies demanding their "brand/logos" be put on uniforms, etc...if they are paying athletes....thus this becomes AAU. 

4. I'm sure there is stuff I don't understand- but seems to be the IHSAA should have just left this alone- and dealt with other issues like seeding the postseason. 

 

[PLACfan]

2. From what I gather - if a shady businessman/woman/company wants to start paying athletes to come play for their community - that could happen before this bill was passed?? You may not have known about it - but not certain you could say it was illegal for a company to pay someone to work for them?? 

 

Pretty sure this already happens................has happened..................and would have continued to happen no matter what the IHSAA passed regarding athletes getting money. 

[Titan32]

22 hours ago, tango said:

As written, I really don't see this being that big of an issue. I think it was the IHSAA getting ahead of a lawsuit like the one filed next door in Ahia (as Coach Cig likes to say) by a high profile recruit. Not being able to use school colors, logo or mascot is the key to limiting the opportunities IMO.

I have posted on multiple facebook threads that this is a nothing burger.

[jets]

53 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

I have posted on multiple facebook threads that this is a nothing burger.

That's what my earlier post was referring to....I don't even see why the IHSAA decided to make this a headline or newsworthy?? Pretty sure if an outside agency (company) wanted to put cash in hand of athlete/employee - they have/had the right to do so. They didn't need the IHSAA permission....

[Titan32]

[Coach Nowlin]

https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/050426.Board_.pdf

 

HAHA.  HOLY SMOKES~!!     That was a runway running clock situation on the vote for the shot clock !!!  mercy  17-1 vote

[Coach Nowlin]

Every person I talked to who was telling me how stupid Indiana was for not having a Shot Clock.... I go great...  How many HS playing schools in Indiana for Basketball?  The answers were never in the 400 mind you:   So then I would go great, how do suppose that 400 + school corporations are all of a sudden stuck with new suits in Indy giving new funding laws which will limit schools already, how do you suppose these districts all pay for it.   Very Every MIC/DUNELAND/HHC conference there is 100 others who are NOT in same boat.  

Admins understood that:  hence you see their 67% opposed survey vs 68% coach in favor ....

 

[Daniel_Bragg]

45 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Every person I talked to who was telling me how stupid Indiana was for not having a Shot Clock.... I go great...  How many HS playing schools in Indiana for Basketball?  The answers were never in the 400 mind you:   So then I would go great, how do suppose that 400 + school corporations are all of a sudden stuck with new suits in Indy giving new funding laws which will limit schools already, how do you suppose these districts all pay for it.   Very Every MIC/DUNELAND/HHC conference there is 100 others who are NOT in same boat.  

Admins understood that:  hence you see their 67% opposed survey vs 68% coach in favor ....

 

Personally, I would have rather had shot clocks and no PBA, but I also have long voiced my concern for how all schools would implement a shot clock, without financial assistance from the IHSAA.  Schools would likely need one person dedicated solely to the shot clock, adding cost per game, and then of course is the purchasing of said shot clocks.  Some schools are using such dated scoreboards that they couldn't easily add shot clocks, which would cause them to fully replace the whole system.

In my opinion, neither measure should have passed.

[Muda69]

I still don't see the need for a shot clock in Indiana High School Basketball.  There is already a counter to "stall ball" in the existing rulebook. It's called the 5-Second Violation.  Coaches need to actually teach their players how to play aggressive man-to-man defense in order to force such violations, along with turnovers.   Yet it seems more and more coaches are content to play insipid zone defenses and just whine and complain about the other team holding the ball. 

 

[Coach Nowlin]

19 hours ago, Muda69 said:

I still don't see the need for a shot clock in Indiana High School Basketball.  There is already a counter to "stall ball" in the existing rulebook. It's called the 5-Second Violation.  Coaches need to actually teach their players how to play aggressive man-to-man defense in order to force such violations, along with turnovers.   Yet it seems more and more coaches are content to play insipid zone defenses and just whine and complain about the other team holding the ball. 

 

RACK IT 

[Coach Nowlin]

 

 

[wabashalwaysfights]

Can't say I love the PBA stuff, but at this point it seems like a losing fight, so meh...

My wife is the basketballer in our family and she was definitely NOT in favor of the shot clock, so bully there!

Any word on the co-op proposal? 

[Irishman]

As with any changes on this level, it's the unintended consequences that come up along the way. Further changes at this point.....lawsuit. And schools and the IHSAA will settle at every opportunity to do so. 

[Muda69]

11 hours ago, wabashalwaysfights said:

Any word on the co-op proposal? 

It was not approved, although the vote was close. Something like 10-8.

 

[Tin Cup]

What's the argument against the co-op proposal?  It sounds like a logical thing to allow for small schools, so just curious what I'm missing.

[US31]

1 hour ago, Tin Cup said:

What's the argument against the co-op proposal?  It sounds like a logical thing to allow for small schools, so just curious what I'm missing.

Probably the difficulty of the IHSAA to define "small" schools. 

I assume they don't want a rule that could feasibly allow LC/LN or HSE/FISH, or Cathedral/Roncalli (that would be a reality show!), or all South Bend public schools to decide to co-op.  Which I would agree is not the intent of co-op.

I'm not saying I think it should be difficult....just that the IHSAA might think it would be too "hard".  That seems to be a factor in many IHSAA decisions

[Muda69]

27 minutes ago, US31 said:

Probably the difficulty of the IHSAA to define "small" schools. 

I assume they don't want a rule that could feasibly allow LC/LN or HSE/FISH, or Cathedral/Roncalli (that would be a reality show!), or all South Bend public schools to decide to co-op.  Which I would agree is not the intent of co-op.

I'm not saying I think it should be difficult....just that the IHSAA might think it would be too "hard".  That seems to be a factor in many IHSAA decisions

I thought the existing proposal, where one of the schools had to have a 9-12 enrollment of less than 300, was sufficient to stop that kind of funny business by larger schools. 

[US31]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

I thought the existing proposal, where one of the schools had to have a 9-12 enrollment of less than 300, was sufficient to stop that kind of funny business by larger schools. 

Would that allow Carroll (Flora) to co-op with Logansport?  I don't know the details of the original proposal, so honestly asking...

I also don't think either of those schools have any interest in consolidating into one program....I just looked at someone just under 300 (Carroll) and picked a larger nearby school (LPort).

Personally, I'm in favor of small schools being able to co-op......just giving an opinion on why some folks might vote against it ("It's too hard!")

[Muda69]

54 minutes ago, US31 said:

Would that allow Carroll (Flora) to co-op with Logansport?  I don't know the details of the original proposal, so honestly asking...

I also don't think either of those schools have any interest in consolidating into one program....I just looked at someone just under 300 (Carroll) and picked a larger nearby school (LPort).

Personally, I'm in favor of small schools being able to co-op......just giving an opinion on why some folks might vote against it ("It's too hard!")

Looks like the details of the co-op proposal begin on page #7 of this document:  https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/05.04.2026 Board of Directors.pdf

 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, US31 said:

Would that allow Carroll (Flora) to co-op with Logansport?  I don't know the details of the original proposal, so honestly asking...

I also don't think either of those schools have any interest in consolidating into one program....I just looked at someone just under 300 (Carroll) and picked a larger nearby school (LPort).

Personally, I'm in favor of small schools being able to co-op......just giving an opinion on why some folks might vote against it ("It's too hard!")

Meanwhile, the MHSAA (Michigan) has nearly twice the number of total members, almost as many members with enrollment <400 as make up the entire IHSAA membership, about the same number of administrative staff in the governing body of the IHSAA, and they still manage to run a co-op program. They also require all PBA deals to be submitted to the governing body along with being reviewed by the member school.

Edited May 8 by PDB26

[wabashalwaysfights]

Seems like 8-10 is a narrower defeat than when it was proposed before...

[Muda69]

Looks like the Indiana State Legislature is going to stick it's nose into the high school NIL issue:  https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/briefs/lawmakers-to-study-property-tax-assessments-ahead-of-2027-session/

 

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The Interim Committee on Education was directed to review issues surrounding name, image and likeness rights for high school athletes.

“It’s hard to believe but it is a thing we need to take a look at,” Bray said of NIL deals for high school athletes following the widespread adoption of such payments for college athletes.

The Indiana High School Athletic Association in April approved a rule permitting high school athletes to independently form their own NIL deals — free of school branding or involvement.

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<sarcasm>Yay</sarcasm>

[Daniel_Bragg]

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Looks like the Indiana State Legislature is going to stick it's nose into the high school NIL issue:  https://indianacapitalchronicle.com/briefs/lawmakers-to-study-property-tax-assessments-ahead-of-2027-session/

 

<sarcasm>Yay</sarcasm>

The Statehouse really needs to go fly a kite.

[First_Backer_Inside]

The co-op thing to me feels like it just goes under the transfer rule. If you are unhappy with not having certain sports at your school, transfer your freshman year. If a school is that small and doesn't have football, that happens for what 5-6 kids per class if that. If those 5-6 kids want to play football transfer to a different school.