Guest DT Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Muda69 said: FYI Arsenal Tech was a charter member of the North Central Conference when it first formed in 1926. Certainly seems like an odd fit. Even the ever unstable Conference Indiana would seem like a better fit for Tech than the NCC. 1 minute ago, DT said: Certainly seems like an odd fit. Even the ever unstable Conference Indiana would seem like a better fit for Tech than the NCC. Another option would be to go independent. That may be the best road for Tech aas they can slowly rebuild their program by playing lesser competition and ramp up the schedule as the team progresses. Edited April 21, 2021 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, temptation said: Eh, the climate is pretty difficult from an athletics/academic standpoint. I am sure that Covid hasn't helped. Teaching impoverished youths in the city is another example of God's work. For many families, athletics is the farthest thing from their minds. I care more about the board and the administrators- working with them will determine how long I will stay in a district. 9 minutes ago, DT said: Certainly seems like an odd fit. Even the ever unstable Conference Indiana would seem like a better fit for Tech than the NCC. Another option would be to go independent. That may be the best road for Tech aas they can slowly rebuild their program by playing lesser competition and ramp up the schedule as the team progresses. The NCC just needs to be broken up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, DT said: Certainly seems like an odd fit. Even the ever unstable Conference Indiana would seem like a better fit for Tech than the NCC. Another option would be to go independent. That may be the best road for Tech aas they can slowly rebuild their program by playing lesser competition and ramp up the schedule as the team progresses. Why not the Circle City? Or Conference Indiana ? Really they should be in a conference with Southport, Perry, Decatur Central. Obviously I know Decatur and Perry are happy in the Mid State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I think they would be better off going Independent. Lets face the facts. They are a 6A school playing 2a or 3a level football. They will be outclassed in any 5A or 6A type conference wherever they go. Going indy would give them an opportunity to completely restart the program from the bottom up, and play low level competition to build confidence and encourage turnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said: The NCC just needs to be broken up. How exactly? Most of those schools are in the same boat as the Terre Haute schools; rather large high schools surrounded by miles of mostly rural country where much, much, smaller high schools are the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, DanteEstonia said: The NCC just needs to be broken up. It works fine for other sports. If the schools stay together, who's going to break it up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 hours ago, BDGiant93 said: It works fine for other sports. How many of the other sports spend a majority of their season in conference play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, DanteEstonia said: How many of the other sports spend a majority of their season in conference play? Is there some outcry among the members of the NCC to disband it? I haven't heard it. Also, why do people fixate on conference lineups? If the schools want to change, all they have to do is drop out or vote out someone. It's not unprecedented. In high school, there's no great conference fairy who governs what conferences can exist or continue to exist. Edited April 22, 2021 by BDGiant93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said: Is there some outcry among the members of the NCC to disband it? I haven't heard it. Also, why do people fixate on conference lineups? If the schools want to change, all they have to do is drop out or vote out someone. It's not unprecedented. In high school, there's no great conference fairy who governs what conferences can exist or continue to exist. Can you directly answer my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said: Is there some outcry among the members of the NCC to disband it? I haven't heard it. Also, why do people fixate on conference lineups? If the schools want to change, all they have to do is drop out or vote out someone. It's not unprecedented. In high school, there's no great conference fairy who governs what conferences can exist or continue to exist. Jeff, Harrison, and McCutcheon ended up in the NCC due to this when they were bumped out of the HCC. Harrison and McCutcheon were actually original members in the HCC and Jeff left the NCC back after some 70 years in the early 2000s and joined them. All three were ousted from the HCCand headed back to the NCC around 2014/2015. Sometimes you get to chose and sometimes circumstances dictate the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DanteEstonia said: Can you directly answer my question? Why? It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the great conference fairy isn't going to disband a conference unless the schools within that conference want to disband it. The IHSAA has no control over conference lineups or whether schools decide to come together and form or disband a conference. The NCC lineup has changed here or there, but it's been around since 1926. What's the urgency to get rid of a conference that's apparently working for its members? To answer your question, football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, and softball all benefit from conference membership because of scheduling. If you're in a conference, those are games you don't have to schedule. That's one of the main reasons, for example, that the MIC was formed in 1996. BD/WC/NC were all independents and having trouble getting games in state. They got Carmel/CG/LN to defect from their conferences and the 'Hautes joined the next year and you have a conference. These are decisions made at the school level...not by some great conference god or goddess. Why is Tech in the NCC? Because the NCC and Tech want to be. Edited April 22, 2021 by BDGiant93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteEstonia Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 9 hours ago, BDGiant93 said: Why? It's basic courtesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, BDGiant93 said: Why? It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the great conference fairy isn't going to disband a conference unless the schools within that conference want to disband it. The IHSAA has no control over conference lineups or whether schools decide to come together and form or disband a conference. The NCC lineup has changed here or there, but it's been around since 1926. What's the urgency to get rid of a conference that's apparently working for its members? To answer your question, football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, and softball all benefit from conference membership because of scheduling. If you're in a conference, those are games you don't have to schedule. That's one of the main reasons, for example, that the MIC was formed in 1996. BD/WC/NC were all independents and having trouble getting games in state. They got Carmel/CG/LN to defect from their conferences and the 'Hautes joined the next year and you have a conference. These are decisions made at the school level...not by some great conference god or goddess. Why is Tech in the NCC? Because the NCC and Tech want to be. The discussions regarding conference changes center around two primary isssues Competitive balance and travel The MiC is no different When Pike and LC came into the conference, both were viewed as a competitive upgrade from the TH schools and travel was certainly reduced significantly. When the HCC booted the Lafayette schools, it was understood that HCC conference members felt that the Laf schools were not consistently competitive in football and put an unnecessary travel burden on the Indy schools The NCC is spread out across the entire state from east to west. It is loaded with schools that have deemphasized football and are not likely to reinvest in the sport. So outsiders are constantly trying to reinvent the conference to improve its competitive profile and reduce travel Football is important in Tipp County. Not so much elsewhere in the conference If jEff or Harrison have designs on competing at the state level, they will need to move eventually to upgrade their schedules to prepare for tournament play Edited April 23, 2021 by DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 9:23 AM, BDGiant93 said: Why? It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the great conference fairy isn't going to disband a conference unless the schools within that conference want to disband it. The IHSAA has no control over conference lineups or whether schools decide to come together and form or disband a conference. The NCC lineup has changed here or there, but it's been around since 1926. What's the urgency to get rid of a conference that's apparently working for its members? To answer your question, football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, and softball all benefit from conference membership because of scheduling. If you're in a conference, those are games you don't have to schedule. That's one of the main reasons, for example, that the MIC was formed in 1996. BD/WC/NC were all independents and having trouble getting games in state. They got Carmel/CG/LN to defect from their conferences and the 'Hautes joined the next year and you have a conference. These are decisions made at the school level...not by some great conference god or goddess. Why is Tech in the NCC? Because the NCC and Tech want to be. I had no idea the MIC was only 25 years old. Cool info BD. What conference/s were Carmel/CG/LN in directly before joining the MIC? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, DE said: I had no idea the MIC was only 25 years old. Cool info BD. What conference/s were Carmel/CG/LN in directly before joining the MIC? Thank you. School Location Mascot Colors Enrollment IHSAA Class # / County Year Joined Previous Conference Ben Davis Indianapolis Giants 4,499[1] 6A Marion 1996 Independents Carmel Carmel Greyhounds 5,286[2] 6A Hamilton 1996 Olympic Center Grove Greenwood Trojans 2,521[3] 6A Johnson 1996 South Central Lawrence Central Lawrence Bears 2,290 6A Marion 2013 Conference Indiana Lawrence North Lawrence Wildcats 2,596[4] 6A Marion 1996 Central Suburban North Central Indianapolis Panthers 3,727[5] 6A Marion 1996 Independents Pike Indianapolis Red Devils 3,295[6] 6A Marion 2013 Conference Indiana Warren Central Indianapolis Warriors 3,821 6A Marion 1996 Independents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, DE said: I had no idea the MIC was only 25 years old. Cool info BD. What conference/s were Carmel/CG/LN in directly before joining the MIC? Thank you. Carmel was in the Olympic. Center Grove was South Central, and LN was in the CSAC. (Which BD was actually in a very long time ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 5 hours ago, DT said: The NCC is spread out across the entire state from east to west. It is loaded with schools that have deemphasized football and are not likely to reinvest in the sport. So outsiders are constantly trying to reinvent the conference to improve its competitive profile and reduce travel The NCC is a basketball conference, always has been and always will be. There was a time when every member of the conference had won at least one (real) Indiana state basketball championship. Hence it's nickname "The Conference Of Champions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said: Carmel was in the Olympic. Center Grove was South Central, and LN was in the CSAC. (Which BD was actually in a very long time ago). Very cool. Thank you again. What did the CSAC stand for? Want to do a little reading here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, DE said: Very cool. Thank you again. What did the CSAC stand for? Want to do a little reading here. Central Suburban Athletic Conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, DT said: Central Suburban Athletic Conference Thank you DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, DE said: Thank you DT. You betcha BTW, my Highland Trojans are ranked 3rd in The RSN Top 10 Baseball rankings, behind your #1 LC Indians and #2 Andrean. https://www.regionsports.com/2021/04/19/baseball-rsn-top-10-4-19-21/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, DT said: You betcha BTW, my Highland Trojans are ranked 3rd in The RSN Top 10 Baseball rankings, behind your #1 LC Indians and #2 Andrean. https://www.regionsports.com/2021/04/19/baseball-rsn-top-10-4-19-21/ I see they are doing well. Had a tough one last night at HC. First loss of the season I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DT Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, DE said: I see they are doing well. Had a tough one last night at HC. First loss of the season I believe. Maybe HC is ready for the NCC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 hours ago, DT said: The discussions regarding conference changes center around two primary isssues Competitive balance and travel The MiC is no different When Pike and LC came into the conference, both were viewed as a competitive upgrade from the TH schools and travel was certainly reduced significantly. When the HCC booted the Lafayette schools, it was understood that HCC conference members felt that the Laf schools were not consistently competitive in football and put an unnecessary travel burden on the Indy schools The NCC is spread out across the entire state from east to west. It is loaded with schools that have deemphasized football and are not likely to reinvest in the sport. So outsiders are constantly trying to reinvent the conference to improve its competitive profile and reduce travel Football is important in Tipp County. Not so much elsewhere in the conference If jEff or Harrison have designs on competing at the state level, they will need to move eventually to upgrade their schedules to prepare for tournament play Jeff and Harrison were in the HCC and left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears62 Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said: Jeff and Harrison were in the HCC and left. They were “asked to leave” or just straight up booted, can’t remember which. Jeff would be pretty competitive if they rejoined, Harrison is probably a little bit better than Noblesville and Franklin Central. Can’t ever see it happening though sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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