CoachGallogly Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Roncalli isn’t referencing the confederacy….but Roncalli…the Rebel Pope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, CoachGallogly said: Roncalli isn’t referencing the confederacy….but Roncalli…the Rebel Pope. You know that, and I know that. But nevertheless, I give you the Roncalli Royals. And I don’t think the prominent display of the Confederate battle flag at Roncalli events over the years helped. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, tango said: That's my soapbox for the day... My comment was mildly facetious, but I will respond with earnestness. We will probably never completely agree on the topic, and that is fine with me. I respect your opinion and understand your viewpoint. My contention is that I do not find the term "Indian" offensive. I say that acknowledging I am neither the perpetrator (Catholic) nor aggrieved party (Native American) in this scenario. If someone wants to change names, focus on things like Angel Mounds. Can you name the group or tribe who inhabited the area and built the mounds? I had to wikipedia it myself, and I have been there numerous times. The name Angel comes from the family who owned the property in the 1800's. That seems like a more noble cause for a name change. I can't tell you off-hand the name of the Mississippi Indians and how they inhabited Angel Mounds (to save people from googling) but I could tell you there once was a chief named Tecumseh and the Kickapoo Indians once inhabited Indiana. I may never heard those names or had a curiosity sparked, if the people of Lynnville or Owensville had changed them. Indian names and imagery are completely imbedded in the language of this state, Indiana. Mississinewa, Wapahani, Maconaquah. The merging of cultures and histories, warts and all, is something I would rather see embraced than erased. I will end with another facetious comment. According to Ludacris and Missy Elliot, "Minuteman" is as about a derogatory term as a someone could be called. Hey-ooo. Edited May 5, 2023 by oldtimeqb 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballhawk Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Bobref said: Don’t understand why “Rebels” hasn’t been more of a target. Ask Roncalli. We are talking about Kentland vs. the Indy area. The SN Rebels could be renamed the Magas in that neck of the woods. When Seeger HS was opened they were called the Indians. The name was later changed to the Patriots, but this was long before the push to remove Native American names as mascots. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Bobref said: Don’t understand why “Rebels” hasn’t been more of a target. Ask Roncalli. To be fair, Roncalli originally pushed the idea of a "rebel" pope, which makes perfect sense for John XXIII and Vatican II, but the Confederate battle flags and Ronnie Rebel derailed that idea and had nothing to do with the original naming of the mascot. I suspect if the student body had instead taken up the peace sign, two fingers for Vatican II and carrying keys instead of the Confederate battle flags and the Confederate-uniformed mascot, it would have been much less an issue for the school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 11 hours ago, oldtimeqb said: My comment was mildly facetious, but I will respond with earnestness. We will probably never completely agree on the topic, and that is fine with me. I respect your opinion and understand your viewpoint. My contention is that I do not find the term "Indian" offensive. I say that acknowledging I am neither the perpetrator (Catholic) nor aggrieved party (Native American) in this scenario. If someone wants to change names, focus on things like Angel Mounds. Can you name the group or tribe who inhabited the area and built the mounds? I had to wikipedia it myself, and I have been there numerous times. The name Angel comes from the family who owned the property in the 1800's. That seems like a more noble cause for a name change. I can't tell you off-hand the name of the Mississippi Indians and how they inhabited Angel Mounds (to save people from googling) but I could tell you there once was a chief named Tecumseh and the Kickapoo Indians once inhabited Indiana. I may never heard those names or had a curiosity sparked, if the people of Lynnville or Owensville had changed them. Indian names and imagery are completely imbedded in the language of this state, Indiana. Mississinewa, Wapahani, Maconaquah. The merging of cultures and histories, warts and all, is something I would rather see embraced than erased. I will end with another facetious comment. According to Ludacris and Missy Elliot, "Minuteman" is as about a derogatory term as a someone could be called. Hey-ooo. Here I go off topic a wee bit. When I lived in Ecuador, I met a relative of Tecumseh from southern Ohio, Charley Brown...you might be able to find him...true...Cuenca, Ecuador. He was a direct descendent of Tenskwatawa, The Prophet. Charley said he could see the future, too. And, I always tell my kids not to be judgy but one of those mentioned names is the most handsome woman I've ever seen. Mac something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 18 hours ago, Gipper said: I wonder if PETA will show up in Oxford sometime this fall to protest BC's Bison. They may also go after the Bronchos of Lafayette Jeff for the mere fact they can't properly spell it. Don't forget the Kokom Wildkats. And let PETA show up in Frankfort to protest the Hot Dogs. They will get run out of town on a rail, guaranteed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 12 hours ago, oldtimeqb said: Mississinewa, Wapahani, Maconaquah. And Maconaquah is located in Miami County. Oh the horror.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 42 minutes ago, Robert said: Mac something. Maybe this? https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2012/11/frances-slocum.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Maybe this? https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2012/11/frances-slocum.html Yes, I know the name well. I was being facetious. Kids get on me for publicly body shaming nowadays. Handsome. https://allthatsinteresting.com/frances-slocum Edited May 5, 2023 by Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Ballhawk said: We are talking about Kentland vs. the Indy area. The SN Rebels could be renamed the Magas in that neck of the woods. When Seeger HS was opened they were called the Indians. The name was later changed to the Patriots, but this was long before the push to remove Native American names as mascots. The school opened in the late 1960s--way different era then. Old South was the way to go apparently--who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 18 hours ago, Bobref said: Don’t understand why “Rebels” hasn’t been more of a target. Ask Roncalli. Unbelievable they thought that needed changed lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 20 hours ago, Gipper said: Has this become the Nickname Hall of Fame 2.0? Will religious leaders find problems with Red and Blue Devils of Lowell, Pike, Richmond, Tipton, and West Lafayette? Even Pappy Gipper's Alma Mater was the Blue Devils before consolidating into South Newton and becoming the equally politically correct Rebels. I wonder if PETA will show up in Oxford sometime this fall to protest BC's Bison. They may also go after the Bronchos of Lafayette Jeff for the mere fact they can't properly spell it. Safe schools would include the Hanover Central Wildcats, Lawrence Central Bears, Rushville Lions, and Seymour Owls, The ancient worlds of Greece and Rome have been glorified, too as many schools have chosen Athenians, Spartans, Titans, and Trojans as their moniker. The Pendleton Heights Arabians would probably be on PETA's list as opposed to that race of people who seem to hate everything. Ahhh I'm glad you brought up PETA, excellent point... and in some cases, they put "fighting" in front of the mascot's name. So not only do they mock/make fun of animals, they want them to be dangerous! The horrors! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqbcoach1 said: Ahhh I'm glad you brought up PETA, excellent point... and in some cases, they put "fighting" in front of the mascot's name. So not only do they mock/make fun of animals, they want them to be dangerous! The horrors! I do what I can. 2 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said: Ahhh I'm glad you brought up PETA, excellent point... and in some cases, they put "fighting" in front of the mascot's name. So not only do they mock/make fun of animals, they want them to be dangerous! The horrors! Funny you say that--a school in the Chicago Suburbs, is named the Blazing Trojans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gipper said: I do what I can. Funny you say that--a school in the Chicago Suburbs, is named the Blazing Trojans. haha just can't even make this s*** up. Oh, the ways our society goes out of its way to be offended. Hilarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Lastly, the overlords at Nike have adorned "Fighting" Ducks on the University of Oregon's basketball uniforms, I'm sure PETA is just chomping at the bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I taught for a while on/in the Navajo Nation. We were the Fighting Scouts. A key phrase was, "Too many chiefs, not enough warriors." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I'll be of the propensity to get bored at work, but some stuff you can't make up: the Effingham (IL) High School Flaming Hearts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 to be playing golf on a day like today... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gipper said: I'll be of the propensity to get bored at work, but some stuff you can't make up: the Effingham (IL) High School Flaming Hearts... What in the Effingham? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Robert said: I taught for a while on/in the Navajo Nation. We were the Fighting Scouts. A key phrase was, "Too many chiefs, not enough warriors." People were offended when Louis Riddick said that. 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said: People were offended when Louis Riddick said that. 😅 When a Diné coach says that direct quote to a team full of Diné players (maybe a Hopi or two), I think the circumstance might make it okay. Edited May 5, 2023 by Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gipper Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Robert said: What in the Effingham? It's a take of Effingham's being the Heart of Illinois... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, Robert said: When a Diné coach says that direct quote to a team full of Diné players (maybe a Hopi or two), I think the circumstance might make it okay. There is never a circumstance where that saying is offensive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said: There is never a circumstance where that saying is offensive. Everything is based on the shoes that you stand in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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