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Great post. How can something be sustained when you are hiring a new coach every 2-3 years? TEN coaches in TWENTY years!!!

Tech actually WAS building something in the mid-2010s. Anyone who watched their 2012 and 2013 teams would have recognized those teams as formidable despite their roughly .500 record (which was more than respectable given their schedule those 2 years). As I recall, they lost a nail-biter to Carmel one of those years. Then the wheels came off immediately thereafter and it was back to mediocrity. BUT there was a brief time when they demonstrated it WAS possible at Tech. I might not have used the phrase “work harder” that @Grover used but I absolutely agree with his point and what I think his intent was. Programs can change but it takes buy-in at every level...including and especially at home after school and practice is over. But “Working Harder” to me isn’t just simply about what kids do in practice - it’s about coaches, administrators, students and parents. The most difficult part in most any task is just getting started the right way with appropriate forethought, planning and tools followed by actual effort. Once started, the inertia then moves in the direction of success rather than the reverse. Not to continue to beat this drum but Publics like Center Grove and New Pal have shown the path. I won’t disagree that the socioeconomics make it a different (and more difficult) animal at Tech but they were on a successful path just a handful of years ago but it wasn’t sustained.

This is a slap in the face to the coaches at Tech and schools like it who work darn hard to put a good product on the field yet face an entirely different set of circumstances than Coach Moore does. Heck, the Ben Davis and Warren staffs face entirely different circumstances than Coach Moore. What Coach Moore has done has been remarkable and I don't know how he coaches track AND football. Those are two HUGE sports and he's doing both and succeeding in both. He's a great coach for sure, but the idea that because Tech doesn't have a lot of success that those coaches aren't working hard is ridiculous. They do work hard, and their students need them in their lives.

Yes, Tech is an IPS and that is part of it.. I am a transplanted SIAC guys, so I have picked this info up in the last 25 years I have been living here. IPS has been bleeding kids to the Township schools (TS) for decades and has been shrinking. Several (2-5?) high schools have closed in IPS since I have been in Indy. More opportunity at the TS Schools? Seems like people are voting with their feet. (By using them and leaving IPS). Not claiming to be an expert.

New Prairie’s Hunter Whitenack has chosen Illinois. 6’7” 300# and seems like he’s still growing

At the collegiate/professional level I firmly believe the leash is too short. While that combined with unrealistic expectations are often problems at the prep level, I think this honestly ties into another thread that I saw on here over the last few weeks about coaching shortages. Its hard to find folks (inside or outside of the building) that are willing to grind for such little compensation. Many are lay coaches that have other careers and some simply take programs as far as they can and use them as stepping stone jobs for other positions.

Step one: Form a commitee Step two: ? Step three: Profit!

How would you go about making promotion/relegation decisions? I mean, we can’t even get the IHSAA to seed the tournament.

I would think that it would. You'd have parents "moving" to the district to be coached by Saban...I mean switching jobs and ending up at Tech or having to help grandma or Aunt Matilda.

One of my top 5 places I’ve worked a high school game in 40 seasons. Great setting. Great people ... and the only time I’ve ever been actually physically afraid on a football field. In their pregame show, the cadet corps marches onto the field. Right after the national anthem, they have this gigantic horse that gallops down the sideline to whip up the crowd. First time I saw it, I wasn’t expecting it. As I was standing on the sideline I looked up and this horse blew past me at speed, about an arm’s length away. If you’ve never been that close to a 1,000 lb. animal running fast, I don’t recommend it ... especially when it comes as a surprise. But it’s a great place, and their coach is among the best I ever worked with. And the setting is incomparable.

I cannot get enough of this guy’s story. If you are not impressed and inspired, you need to check and make sure you have a pulse. We have not heard the last of this guy. Whatever he goes on to do in retirement, he’s going to be very good at it. Whatever else is going on in the NFL, there’s at least one “feel good” story out there. Alex Smith, reigning NFL Comeback Player of the Year, announces retirement from football Longtime quarterback Alex Smith announced his NFL retirement Monday, capping a 16-year journey that started as a No. 1 pick in the NFL draft and ended after his improbable return from a gruesome injury. Smith, who will turn 37 next month, announced his decision in a two-minute, 12-second video posted to Instagram, saying he wants to spend more time with his family. He was released by the Washington Football Team last month but was the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year in 2020 for getting back on the field after an injury two years earlier that nearly cost him his right leg. "Even though I've got plenty of snaps left in me, after 16 years of giving this game everything I've got, I can't wait to see what else is possible," Smith said in the video. "But first, I'll take a little time to enjoy a few of those walks with my wife, and my kids have no idea what's coming for them in the backyard." After he suffered a compound leg fracture in November 2018, many assumed Smith's career was over. He required 17 surgeries to stem an infection in his right leg, which was nearly amputated. He needed to wear an external fixator on his leg for eight months and developed drop foot. His battle to return to action was the subject of an ESPN documentary, Project 11, that aired last spring, and Smith kept fighting, passing numerous tests and milestones along the way to being cleared by doctors. "Two years ago, I was stuck in a wheelchair staring down at my mangled leg wondering if I'd ever be able to go on a walk with my wife again or play games with my kids in the yard," said Smith, who has three children. "Putting my helmet back on was the farthest thing from my mind. I kept asking myself, 'All this for a stupid game?'" But, Smith said, having a football in his hands again while working out at the Center for the Intrepid allowed him to feel "stronger, more driven and what once seemed impossible began to come into focus." He had a team of doctors helping him along the way and benefited from his time at the facility, which typically works with wounded military personnel. Washington Football Team owner Dan Snyder and his wife, Tanya, said in a joint statement that Smith "accomplished the greatest comeback in professional sports history and was a huge part of our team's success this past season." "Since the day Alex arrived here in Washington, he has represented this organization with class and dignity both on and off the field," the Snyders' statement said. "We witnessed every step of Alex's comeback first-hand and he personifies perseverance, strength and the will to never give up. The support he received from his family, friends, teammates and club medical staff throughout his comeback journey was truly unmatched." Later Monday, Smith told ESPN's Outside the Lines that he recently went snowboarding with his father and children. He had not been snowboarding since he was in college, and the moment stood out to him and helped solidify his decision to retire. "For me this all started as a father and husband," Smith said during the interview. "That's where it began, wondering what -- if anything -- I would be able to do with my kids again, with my wife again ... to do some things with them I thought had been taken away from me forever. I'm so grateful." Smith also said on OTL that he visited the Jacksonville Jaguars, and his former college coach Urban Meyer, and debated signing with them. He said he left the meeting excited for what Meyer was building but, he said, he was already weighing retirement. "I was ready," Smith said. "I am ready. I'm so excited about what else is out there and to experience it with my family and to have no limitations and take on the challenges that lie ahead." Smith told ESPN's Stephania Bell that overcoming the injury also helped him gain a "better perspective." "When I think back to being in the hospital after all the debridements -- and then we were heading down the path of limb salvage, the places my mind went as far as what my life would be like, down the dark paths of all the things I would never be able to do again," Smith told Bell. "I was consumed with all the things I would never be able to do for months and months. I had such a negative perspective on what my life was going to be like. ... I think I have so much better perspective because of everything I went through with the injury." At this time a year ago, there was severe doubt in the Washington organization about Smith's ability to even participate in training camp -- let alone make a roster. Numerous people in the franchise would say, "If anyone can do it, Alex can." But they also didn't make concrete plans involving him. Still, Smith fought his way back on to the 53-man roster and, after being inactive for the first four games, finally played again in Week 5 when starter Kyle Allen was injured. It did not go well that day for Smith, who passed for 37 yards but was sacked six times, including on his first series by Rams star Aaron Donald. It showed Smith, and others, what his leg could handle. Smith later started six games -- Washington went 5-1 in those contests -- and helped the organization win the NFC East title with a 7-9 record. But a bone bruise forced him to miss three of the last four games, including a playoff loss to the Buccaneers. Still, the fact that he played impressed others, and he earned 49 of a possible 50 votes to win the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year award. Washington released Smith last month and signed veteran quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Smith initially expressed his intent to keep playing but went unsigned more than a month into free agency. Washington coach Ron Rivera said in a statement that Smith "was the ultimate professional and one of the finest leaders I've ever had the privilege to coach. "His resilience and work ethic will serve as an example for our team as we continue to build a winning program here in Washington," Rivera said. "He is an inspiration to me personally and to the countless others who followed his journey these past few years." Smith was drafted No. 1 overall by the 49ers in 2005 and spent eight seasons in San Francisco. "For eight years, Alex represented our franchise with class both on and off the field, and his contributions to the 49ers organization will be remembered forever," Niners CEO Jed York said in a statement Monday. "Throughout his time in the Red and Gold, Alex showed how perseverance, commitment and hard work were core principles to him as a person and it was truly special to see his impact in the locker room and in the community." After Colin Kaepernick's rise in San Francisco, the Niners traded Smith to the Chiefs, where he spent five seasons and helped Kansas City reach the playoffs four times. Kansas City traded up in the 2017 draft to select Patrick Mahomes and, after that season, traded Smith to Washington for cornerback Kendall Fuller and a third-round pick. Smith started 16 games in Washington, which went 11-5 in those games; the team's record with anyone else starting in the past three years was 6-27. Mahomes said Monday that Smith "always seemed to come out on top" despite the adversity he dealt with throughout his career, while Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Smith would make a great coach someday. "If he gets into coaching, I get first dibs on him," Reid said. "I doubt he will, but if he decides to go that route, he's a guy you would love to have on your staff." For his career, Smith started 167 games, and his teams went 99-67-1 in those contests. He passed for 35,650 yards, 199 touchdowns and 109 interceptions. His 46 interceptions since 2013 were the second-fewest by a quarterback with at least 70 starts, trailing only Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers. "I was a skinny no-name recruit who wasn't supposed to play in college, let alone go to New York as a Heisman finalist or be the first one to have his name called on draft night," Smith said in the video. "And then on a routine play, I almost lost everything -- but football wouldn't let me give up because, no, this isn't just a game. It's not just what happens between those white lines on a Sunday afternoon. It's about the challenges and commitment they require, it's how hard and how far you can push yourself and it's about the bond between those 53 guys in the locker room. It's about fully committing yourself to something bigger, and most of all it's about you." Smith then thanked the fans of the teams he represented: "Niner Nation, the Chiefs Kingdom or the Burgundy and Gold." "To all the men I had the privilege of standing with and playing alongside, thank you," he said. "Thank you for believing in me and thank you for helping me believe in myself and in the impossible."

AKA socioeconomics. Keep up here bud. You’re playing checkers. I’m playing chess.

actually it's a crap hole

Yes, it’s so simple how did no one know? The teams who can’t get to Lucas Oil just need to work harder. Nothing else should be considered a factor. You’d have a hard time convincing me kids from schools like Merrillville or Jeff want to win any less than CG. Or that they don’t work as hard. CG has many advantages over the bottom 8 of 6a.

so f#@%*** spot on.........my kid battled CG during border wars and IEFA....won a few and got an ass kicking in a few.....this upcoming season senior season I already know the outcome.....the CG program has kept those kids from moving, transferring etc...their culture is and will be a bitch to overcome for years to come.

I really get tired of the enrollment argument. CG played football for 40 years without a whiff of the state finals. Then we hired Eric Moore who stepped up the entire program. Not the team -- the program. The investment in the CG facilities has been largely/partly forced by the varsity's success. Chicken or the egg, right? But the bottom line is that CG's enrollment is in the bottom half of 6A. We could have whined about it but we instead chose to get better. We joined the MIC when pretty much everybody involved thought we were setting ourselves up to go 0-9 every year. You can't control your enrollment but you can control how hard you work.

Its too depressing to imagine...... So would Rock Creek.

34 players listed in the top 34 of the 2022 class on 247. 14 are OL, 10 and DL, and 1 is a TE. Only eight skill players. I would definitely say this is the year of the lineman!

That is ultimately the goal for some.

Nah, you keep them in 7A. It’s not about “stopping” those four, more so about giving the teams at the bottom of 6A in terms of enrollment a fair opportunity. A 2/1 enrollment advantage in a sport like football is simply a numbers game...it’s not a fair fight. So 16 making a class makes you feel uncomfortable but giving 1/3 of a 24 team field a bye based on a random method doesn’t? Interesting.

This could be one of those rare instances where a kid actually chose a school because he felt it was a good fit for him, as opposed to a training ground for the NFL. Good for him.

I don’t have a problem. The Indy schools play the best football in the state. They should dominate.

“7A” is a solution looking for a problem.

Big boys rule. I swear to God they do!