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If I recall correctly, it doesn't count as a first down. Now realize that I'm basing this on old rules about first downs and penetrations when I used to play back in the 70s. Tie games were determined by first downs and then penetrations ... no extra time or sudden death. In the game, we were down 6 points with roughly 45 seconds to go and were on our own 35 having just received the kickoff. We tried a trick play and ended up with our receiver behind the safety. He caught the ball with a three-step lead on the safety, but off-balance. He stumbled forward about 10-15 yards as the defender caught him and brought him down on the 18. On the next play, we ran the exact same type of play, but this time kept it around end for the score. We missed the conversion and the game ended in a tie. We won the game though. We were tied on first downs for the game and ahead by one on penetrations. The ref told our coach that, while it didn't seem like it at the time, that back stumbling and going down instead of running in for the endzone on that long pass play proved to be the difference as it registered both a first down and a penetration of the 20-yard line, but if he hadn't been tackled, we wouldn't have had the first down or the penetration; just the TD. I don't know if that's something that's changed over time as I've not heard anyone talk about penetrations in a REALLY long time as having a direct impact on the game. I suspect they don't have direct impact anymore, nor do first downs, since we now play overtimes/sudden death.

Unlike high school union halls, I suspect that there might be beer served at the Steelworkers Local 1010 hall on Friday nights. Maybe that's why there are so many folks signed up for the tennis team. 😀

I always find it deplorable the way that people, and parents in particular, seem to go after younger refs, in youth sports. When done right, youth sports are a great training ground for upcoming refs. It's a great opportunity for education for players as well as refs. When I coached in Little Gridiron, we often had more experienced refs ... the league paid the money to hire Friday-night refs and often those experienced refs would bring newer refs with them and would enhance their training during the games. Things such as the communication signs, how to talk to the chain crew, and even simple things like halting the game for a minute to explain to a kid and/or the coaches why a particular call was made and how to avoid that in the future. Baseball is perhaps the worst place that I've seen officials, especially young officials, berated. The parents are really close and, apparently, believe that their tournament entry fee also makes them members of the officiating crew. Having coached youth sports for over a couple of decades across two different sports, I very much understand and appreciate the role of officials in the games and experience and especially how touch it is for newer/younger refs. As a parent at baseball games, I try to tell the umps thanks after/between games when I see them at the fields or concession stands or in the parking lots. For the younger refs, I also try to toss in some encouragement, even if they struggled. I also make it a point, if I see the tournament supervisors or officials supervisors walking around, to tell them about the good job that their younger officials are doing. We are facing a crisis with the population of officials getting tighter and the last thing that we should be doing is running off the folks who are interested at an early age in being a big part of it.

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Pardon my French, but have people lost their f***ing minds? What makes someone think that, over a game, they have the right to accost someone much less detain them?

I see your point, to an extent, by I think it is an issue tied to culture. The default that most people grow up with in sports is that "the older, more experienced guy gets the nod." On the teams that I coached, I always made clear, and it became known with parents and players that the guys that started were the ones that produced and gave consistent effort in that production. Every once in a while, I'd get a kid's parent, who moved in and didn't know the philosophy, who'd corner me after the a game and ask me why his kid wasn't starting even though he was in a higher grade. For the most part though, the kids and parents knew that, while everyone was going to get a chance to play, productivity was what determined how long. If a coach is constantly saying, from Day 1, "I don't care how big you are or fast you are or how old you are, but it's a question of what you DO with that," then I don't think anyone gets caught by surprise or feels cheated. On the other hand, if he lets the expectations go unspoken, then I think he's likely, and rightly so, to see folks get upset if seniority is passed over. I appreciate a coach who, on the first day of practices or before, tells the team "Not everyone is going to play and, if you want to up that playing time, you need to step up your game. I will work with anyone who is serious about improving to see how to get you to that level of more playing time."

I always worry about a team that plays the odds on 4th and 1 with more or same green behind them than in front of them and kicks it away. Like you said, it's a gut check ... an affirmation of what your team expects itself to be able to do. Given that our policy wasn't punting except in extreme situations, it was baked into practices and the team's mindset that we were going to live and die by what the front line could do when called on ... including not jumping on two.

I think there's also a provision for "purposeful fouls" that are expected to extend the period ... like a coach running out on a sideline and smacking an opposing playing who might be getting ready to tackle his back. I know it sounds crazy, but we've seen it before ... and crazier.

If I'm not mistaken, for NFHS, the game doesn't end if there is ANY accepted penalty as time expires ... regardless of offense or defense. In this case here, defense could accept the penalty and offense gets one additional play, with the mark-off, or they can decline the penalty. In the case of declining the penalty, the TD stands and the offense also gets the shot at the extra point attempt. If the game is within 9 points, then the defense is pretty much forced to accept that penalty and give the offense another shot ... with five yards tacked on.

If I'm not mistaken, for NFHS, the game doesn't end if there is ANY accepted penalty as time expires ... regardless of offense or defense. In this case here, defense could accept the penalty and offense gets one additional play, with the mark-off, or they can decline the penalty. In the case of declining the penalty, the TD stands and the offense also gets the shot at the extra point attempt. If the game is within 9 points, then the defense is pretty much forced to accept that penalty and give the offense another shot ... with five yards tacked on.

Turned out to be a good one. My son hit a PAT and, in the 4th, hit the game-winning field goal.

I think the Westfield JV kicker hit a 47-yarder ... I think that was the length ... just a couple of weeks ago to give them a 1-point win over Harrison.

Don't know if the game's an upset, but I'm upset. Just messed up my pick 'ems for the week. 🥴

That's what Twitter's reporting.

Harrison in complete control ... leading 42-0 at the half over Anderson.

Harrison with another TD. Up 21-0 over Anderson with about 1 min left in 1Q.

Harrison now up 14-0 with about 5 mins left in 1Q.

Harrison up 7-0 over Anderson in 1Q.

I'm in-state, but away from football. At senior night for my daughter's volleyball team. I'll be at Harrison tomorrow though when Harrison's JV takes on Chatard.

LCC vs. Tipton, a pair of Coaches Poll 2A, Hoosier Conference teams, will square off tonight.

Taking Tippy Valley in this one over NJSP. Thanks for the update!

Sounds counterproductive given what the NFL has seen in their draftees. In 2020, 85% of NFL draftees played two or more sports in high school and almost a third of them played three sports. https://www.trackingfootball.com/blog/insights-on-2020-nfl-draft-selections-as-high-school-multiple-sport-athletes/

Can attest to this. A couple of my daughters did competitive cheer for a while. The injuries were scary. Luckily, the most my girls ended up with were bruises and sprains/strains. There's definitely a lot of work that goes into it as well. The youngest eventually moved to dance team over at Jeff for a year. The halftime routines are just a small part of it. The competitions were the meat of things. Long, grueling practices and lots of bumps and bruises ... almost like playing football without pads. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out classical dance too. My middle daughter is a classically-trained ballerina as well as picking up other styles over the past half decade. Want to talk about stamina and strength! The life of a ballerina is not for the faint of heart or for the out-of-shape. The first aid kit that we had for her looked like a sideline first-aid kit for a football team with one exception ... lots more Nu-Skin in her kit. My boys did ballet for a while and learned quickly that it was as tough as playing football for the stamina. The best benefit though for them was it gave them quick feet.

I can somewhat attest to this, but it's way beyond just sports. My boys play football and baseball as well as travel baseball. My daughter plays volleyball. In addition, there's also church activities that they are involved in including altar server and youth groups. My wife and I spend so much time driving kids back and forth to events and then showing up for support stuff like working concessions, or breakfasts, etc. I had signed up to play slow-pitch softball for the men's league at church, but ended up having to back out between managing the practices, weekday games, and tournaments. One of the things that I tended to do that helped me do some physical activity was coaching and, in that, I was able to merge community service, sharing an activity with my kids, and getting a little exercise too. My situation might be a bit different from some folks in that I have five kids, so even if I'm just spending a half hour per kid driving folks back and forth, I burn 2 1/2 hours just playing chauffeur ... add into that that I rarely get to just go from one place to the next and I end up with pockets of 15 minutes here and 20 minutes there and a half hour there of time where I can get anything done waiting for the next pick-up/drop-off to happen and I end up burning 3 hours or more just driving around each day. I always tell my kids that my calendar would be so clear that I wouldn't know what to do with all the spare time if I didn't have their schedules clogging up mine. 😀

I suspect, with the new system layout, that the number of reactions is probably tied to level. If I recall correctly, even with the older system, a "newbie" was limited to having to make x number of posts ... I think it was 10 ... before you could start a topic. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a correlation with level and number of reactions granted. The other thing that I noticed with the new system is that, some items carried forward, such as number of posts; however, I think the ranks are based on posts SINCE the new system commencement. As such, 175 posts would normally classify you as more than a newbie, but that's your lifetime posts as opposed to those registered for rank by the new system.