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Indiana Interscholastic Athletic Administrators Association board? The IIAAA? I have never heard of that group, and to be honest I am not sure how it could be much different than an IHSAA board. Don't really care to know the difference either. There is a quote circulating around social media the last week or so. Something to the affect of "Schools are being run by the same people who wouldn't dress out for Phys Ed." Seems appropriate in this case as well.

I'm assuming the process must have started a long time ago... that is a quick turnaround. Best of luck!

Quick. Someone tell Snider its championship is devalued since 5A only had 31 teams last year.

Love the enthusiasm, but my eyes went cross-eyed trying to figure this out.

I'm perfectly fine with football being different. It's the only sport with 6 classes (as opposed to 3 or 4). I also think it's the only team sport tournament that is only one game per week. Soccer, basketball, volleyball, baseball, and softball will all play a mid-week or Saturday morning/night en route to the championship. And I would want the qualifier to a minimum standard. Something like 2 wins out of a 9 or 10 game season. The easy answer is to not force football to be done by Thanksgiving so basketball can start... but I know this is Indiana.

I'm unfamiliar with finances in an athletic department - but are you saying all 7 schools (with the bye) received a check in that amount? Meaning the net revenue from the six sectional games was $1,400 - $2,800? I have only attended playoff games in SW Indiana, but that just seems way too low for what I have witnessed.

Well, it is admirable they return $1.3 million to schools and keep only $1.1 million, it’s the more than $3 million in ‘Administration’ (32% of the $9.68 million operating expense) that gives me pause. Bureaucracies are not cheap, and they rarely fund themselves.

No IHSAA events on Sunday… except for June 23, 2024 of course. https://www.charliehughesbasketball.com/ Rules for thee, not for basketball coaches.

Ok. Let's make this work. Scrimmage Week is Game 1 and Weeks 1-9 make a 10 game regular season. You MUST win 2 games against another IHSAA school to qualify. If you can't get 2 wins out of 10 games then just move on to basketball. For reference in 2023 there were 47 teams with 10 or 9 losses. A 9 loss team either finished 1-8 and lost Round 1 or got lucky with a draw finished 2-9 or 3-9. But to get 9 losses, you had to be 1-8 after week 9. Last year that means 315 - 47 = 268 "qualifiers" for this set up. Even could allow a few more teams that scheduled wins, because the magic number would be 272. Top 32 in enrollment = 6A tournament Remaining 240 qualifiers split into 5 even classes of 48. Seeded obviously with the top 16 in each class getting a bye and let a bunch of 2 & 3 win teams face each other round 1 (week 10 of current schedule). Week 11 is round 2, each class has 32 teams and the 6 classes will still crown champs Thanksgiving weekend in LOS. If I were omnipotent commissioner for a day, this is what I set up.

First - Illinois has 526 football playing schools (according to CalPreps). Only 256 make their playoffs (8 classes of 32) Second - P/P do play in the IHSA Playoffs (not the 'tournament' as the IHSAA calls it.) Teams without defined boundaries - like P/P's, Charters, and the like get hit with a multiplier which is 1.65 Class 1A and 5A both kicked off at 10 AM Central the Friday/Saturday after Thanksgiving. And since Indiana swears it's an Eastern Time Zone state, it's possible for a 9AM kickoff for a central time school. While it's a privilege to play for the state title - 9 or 10 AM just seems a bit much - especially for a team to unload underneath LOS and hit the field for pre-game warm ups. Not really interested.

5A had Dwenger in it- then retroactively put in 4A. 4A started with 63 teams - then FWBD petitioned to drop. Dominoes fell and three sectionals in 4A were shuffled. I would imagine 32 in 6A and 5A. Logic says (which means it won't happen) - each bottom 4 class should be around 62-63 each to allow for yo-yo's now that the Success Factor can drop in off-cycle years.

@WCGrad92 Are the red, orange, or brown considered a north sectional? 2A, 4 and 5A seem to have an abundance of 'north' teams and very few in the south. Southmont, Muncie Central (4A) and Harrison/McCutcheon (5A) all came through the south last year. I know that's the way the distribution shakes out, just seems odd to me.

Thanks for all those who have attempted to divide. Very interesting around the cut lines. Guerin and Jay County both have 800. North Montgomery, Western Boone, and Benton Central all have 513. I know there is a tie breaker, but I just think it would be tough to split schools with identical enrollments into different classes. But I don’t have to make those decisions

The other thing that Illinois does is that despite seeding - They still decide home/away the same manner as Indiana. For example, 1 seed hosts 8. 4 seed hosts 5. If 5 beats 4, they would host the 1 in the second round as a round 1 non-host. If 4 wins, then both 1/4 were hosts, so 1 would host because seed is tiebreaker. That might discourage some coach sandbagging to manipulate seeds

I get that they do it for wrestling - an individual sport. But when would you and @jets propose the meeting? Saturday morning after week 9? That could be possible in 1-4A, but would be much easier in 5 & 6 where you would still have two weeks to prepare.

It’s not a playoff. It’s a tournament. The IHSAA stresses that distinction. But they also stress that it’s for the kids and then charge $10 for a regional game so….

Yes it's corporation enrollment, at least the original article was referencing that. Here are the first three schools from the DOE database: Adams Central: 1,360 North Adams: 1,579 South Adams: 1,308 I would love to be a fly on the wall at a board meeting where the folks of Adams County discuss the ONE school corporation that will exist after all 3 consolidate.

Agree on all counts. And also why I said "should there" not "would there" be two Clay Township schools. Maybe if they named the existing campus Prada Carmel and the new campus Carmel Chanel they would go for it? (Only joking.)

Thanks. To be honest, I feel like the discussion might have even been around the time Fishers HS became a 9-12 building. Have I really been around the board that long? (Nobody answer that) To bring it back to the original premise, a minimum size might make sense, but I also think a maximum size should be discussed. Does Carmel educate students better than HSE/Fishers? Should there be two HS in Clay township?

I think I read on here a long time ago (pre-Covid even) that OH had a rule that high schools could not be over a certain size (2,500 comes to mind) without building another one. I have tried to find an actual law or rule but can't seem to find one. We need @Bobref our resident OH expert to chime in.

Anybody who thinks lobbying for certain alignments doesn't happen is only fooling themselves. Agree completely. For as much as I would hate to find out Saturday night/ Sunday morning who my opponent was next Friday, the efficiency of classifying and seeding is such a stark contrast to the all-in ping pong ball tournament.

If memory serves. That seems about normal SOP. Enrollments are released mid February but they release football, volleyball, and both basketball sectionals the same time late April. Basketball SF points will need to be updated following the state tournament this year.

Two national awards are easy for Catholic schools. That's effectively 3.5 national awards at a public school.

The more I look at their roster and who will be returning - along with a definite QB1 under center - I think Castle will be extremely tough next year.

I’m out of reactions… but that made me spit out my drink. This is the content I am here for! 🤣 That form reminds me of the episode of Curb your Enthusiasm where Larry David stops a baptism because he thinks it’s an attempted drowning.