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I think you would have many schools/teams defecting immediately to go back to the IHSAA Tread lightly! @Bobrefmight include you in his suit against @Grandpa B for the hate/envy term! 😆 Nothing personal just business Bob needs to protect his brand!

Wait there was logic involved? 😆

Honest question because you may be more in the know. If that 10% population were subtracted from the enrollment would that be enough to bump New Haven down to 3A?

Actually I agree CYO is a huge advantage but not in the same way you have put it. I will use Roncalli as an example (I have no affiliation with them). Lets say 6 of the feeder schools for Roncalli have Cadet football. Holy Name, Nativity, St. Barnabas, S.S. Francis and Clare, St. Jude, and Our Lady of Greenwood. Roncalli runs a Spread No-Huddle offense and a 4-2-5 defense. Holy Name could be running the Pro formation and a 3-4, Nativity an I-Formation and 4-4, St. Barnabas a spread and 3-3, St. Jude a spread and 4-2-5, SSFC runs a pistol and 4-4, and OLofG run a Wing T and a 4-4. Now I agree they are taught fundamentals and also see many different looks. Where it becomes a solid advantage is the number of players from each team that have learned their positions and move up to the HS and create depth and or battle for positions. Now what Center Grove Bantam has done that Publics schools can emulate to a certain degree (CG Bantam is big). The big advantage is they can set a play book with the Wing T and 4-3 defense the kids learn it from 2nd through 6th grade. They also run the same formations at the middle schools. By the time a Carson Steele (just an example) hits High School he knows those basic plays and the scheme like muscle memory. Sure the expand upon the play book and learn more intricate plays, but the know the basics of the system. This is a model most Public schools should use and yes it does take a lot of work. The other key is keeping them out for the team as they filter from youth to middle school and then to HS. Of course Bantam isn't the only thing at CG Coach Moore has done. He has also done a lot with strength and speed training.

Probably could also mention that Nathan McCahill only became starting QB his Senior year. They had a 2 year starter at QB last year and McCahill switched to WR to just get on the field. I think he was a great team player doing whatever was needed last year and this year to help the team. He hit the ground running at 100% when he took over at QB. To me the best thing was seeing his huge success at QB this year. State game he did it more with his arm than legs, but it was probably more vindicating to play like he has all year especially after his fumble against New Pal on a big play at WR last year. He came out with a vengeance this year. Just a little added clearification.

I believe Ohio has already stated next year they will return to their regular playoff format. I will ask though.

I am sure @Coach_Hogan_Brotherwould be able to tell you there is no gravy train especially with Lutheran lingering in their sectional. That was a good game as well. CC had a terrific year, but they also have some 3+ year starters they will be losing which won't be easy cleats, helmets, and shoulder pads to replace.

From what I have read they do not like it, but not because of the reason you might think. To start with their regular season was much shorter. The biggest complaint I have seen and spoke to with friends from Ohio was how they did the seeding. They did a vote by coaches to seed each team in each region. Coaches in bottom tier of conference gave unrealistic votes on the seeding of each team. To try and sway which side of the bracket their conference would be in compared to others. Intentionally voting teams like St. Xavier way low. The votes were made public to and everyone could see what they tried to do. That has been the biggest detractor so far. The person I spoke to said he thinks it could work if they used the Harbin points for seeding (still creates something to play for). However they said this was a 1 year thing due to pandemic and it should go back to normal next year.

Looking at the scores from both South Adams and Covenant Christian, I would think both teams had starters only playing 2 quarters (and maybe a few plays in 3rd qtr) except maybe 3 or 4 games. Lutheran and Heritage Christian would be 2 games for CC I would think their starters likely played all 4 quarters for sure.

Come on now. You know Roncalli wouldn't be in a Sectional with Center Grove. They would lump Cathedral, Roncalli, Chatard, and Brebeuf into 1 sectional (if Chatard and Brebeuf were put in the same class). The only way to get to Center Grove would be Regional. 😆

Fair enough, would you say Park Tudor has a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or North Decatur? How about Providence do they have a "competitive advantage" over Triton Central or Western Boone? Oldenburg Academy do they have a "competitive advantage" over South Adams or even Hagerstown? Does Bishop Noll have a "competitive advantage" over Boone Grove, Wheeler, or WeBo? See your 2.0 multiplier you want in place doesn't just have an effect on the top few P/P schools that have success it effects the bottom of the P/P's too. It would force schools like Oldenburg Academy, Providence, Park Tudor, and Noll to play 2 classes up when they struggle to have success in their current class Do you think Providence could compete in 4A? Park Tudor and Oldenburg Academy in 3A? Sorry but Success Factor addresses where it needs to be addressed P/P and Public. The only problem is it needs to be the initial proposal of 4 years instead of 2. Covenant Christian is in its enrollment based classification same as Shridan. They have maybe 12 more students in their school than South Adams.

I'm simply stating to ask if Covenant Christion who is 56-10 over the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over South Newton 1-48 over the last 5 seasons like asking if Center Grove who is 48-18 the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over Lake Central who is 12-38 over the last 5 seasons. It's not an accurate comparison between South Newton and Covington Christian. Yes CC is having a successful season. They also happen to have players that are Seniors that have been starting since Freshman and Sophomore years and took some lumps. I don't know much about the Warriors. What I do know is I can go look at their stats and the players with numbers have been on their roster the last few years playing those positions. I would guess after those guys graduate it will be a big drop off and young players that will have to fill in and take a 3-4 year starters place without having played on a Freshman or JV team. They have a very small roster. Maybe they will have enough returning, but maybe they have some players that garnered enough experience to put them in this position. And why do you say that?

Were you meaning to quote my post?

That is like asking if Center Grove has a competitive advantage over Lake Central. I mean they are both 6A Public Schools right.

They would have a grand total of 1 State Championship in football if they win this weekend. Judging from how many 3-4 year starters in their Sr. class they have this year and their roster only being 37 players. I highly doubt you will see even 3 straight in 1A. I am sure their coaches will shoot for it but the odds aren't in their favor. Their current players have taken their lumps, learned their lessons, and got better. 6-5 last year making a run at State this year. I know you talk about fair, in most non-COVID years you can find a pretty big FAIR at 38th and Fall Creek.

Just make sure to use lineman number's for your winning numbers. Skilled players get all the stats, lineman have winning lottery numbers! 😁

Looks like they have played at Brebeuf High School (tournament) and Zionsville West Middle school (Regular Season) for home games

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So let me get this straight. It's not okay for Covenant Christian to play for a State Championship 6 years after starting a football program, but it is okay for Fishers to win a State Championship 5 years after starting a football program. A quick look over at the Covenant Christian Warriors website. They have a roster of 37 players. Pretty much the same players that were 6-5 last year. Avenged a close lost to Lutheran from last year in Sectionals. I would venture to say with that small of a roster they likely do not have Freshman or JV teams. So players are learning all through Varsity games.

If you happen to have a Firestick there is an IHSAATV App. Been watching games all season on my big screen TV.

The schools you just named play in Ohio Division I because that is where their enrollment puts them. Just a sample from Div-I and Div-II (There are more in other division but far too many to go through them all). Div-I Enrollment St. Ignatius 1,524 All-male St. Xavier 1,514 All-male St. Edward 970 All-male Moeller 856 All-male Elder 800 All-male Div-II Enrollment Walsh Jesuit 1,010 Co-ed Archbishop Hoban 828 Co-ed Toledo Central Catholic 600 Co-ed St. Francis De Sales 875 Co-ed LaSalle (Cincy) 630 All-male

I know. I was giving you a visual of DT and his assumptions. Blindfolded dart thrower world champion!

You know he always has the same result!

Irish went entirely vanilla in 2nd half from what I could tell. Switched out players on defense early, even with number 1's on offense ran basic plays. That being said had their not been 3 missed PAT's the running clock would have been instituted (score 32-0 at the time 3 PAT's would have put it at 35-0) Castle scored on the defense with back-ups in with 7:22 remaining in the game. Recovered an onside kick, after the back-up came up with a stop with 4:23 remaining the Irish ran out the clock. The game was never in doubt even in the 3rd and 4th qtr, Irish looked to go on cruise control in 2nd half. All that being said it was total domination in the first half. 35 plays 342 yds 15 first downs and 29 points to 25 plays 37 yds 4 first downs 0 points. What more could you ask for. They set themselves up in the first half very well. Castle was definitely going to fight, but in all reality the Irish didn't have to do much in the 2nd half.