Shelbyville on the brink of Contraction?

[gonzoron]

[Muda69]

45 minutes ago, DT said:

These are historically bad numbers.  The worst we have ever seen of any contraction candidate.

Shelbytucky should really consider shutting down the program.  Clearly the community has changed and football is not on the priority list.  Why even make the investments needed when it clearly is not valued by either the students, the faculty or the administration?.  Couldnt those valuable dollars be spent on other worthwhile activities that will benefit a much higher percentage of kids who attend the school?  Sometimes, contraction is just not about football, its about the ancillary benefits realized by other members of the student body.  

 

Perhaps investment in an e-sports team would reap better benefits than a football program at this point.  Heck, Rossville, a small school power in basketball and baseball, has an e-sports team but no football program.  And there are scholarships to be had:  https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/high-school/2019/04/19/rossville-student-nolan-starkey-parlays-gaming-passion-into-esports-opportunity-at-trine-university/3497676002/

 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, djbowzz said:

Yikes...

Gimme Shelbyville and the points under the new mercy rule.

Bleed that play clock Golden Bears...

[djbowzz]

32 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Gimme Shelbyville and the points under the new mercy rule.

Bleed that play clock Golden Bears...

Agree, take the play clock to :01, run the ball, rinse and repeat.  

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, djbowzz said:

Agree, take the play clock to :01, run the ball, rinse and repeat.  

Nah, they could fumble...

Take the play clock to :01...

Take a knee...

Punt.

[Olympian06]

I stand corrected, clemency has been taken back and Shelbyville is back on death row... 

[Guest DT]

Has NP taken in an Shelbyville transfers over the past several years?  

[Gipper]

2 hours ago, gonzoron said:

No kidding!!!  Bad records happen, I get it.  But the right athletes and/or coaching staff can change that in no time.  W-L is insignificant...

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Gipper said:

No kidding!!!  Bad records happen, I get it.  But the right athletes and/or coaching staff can change that in no time.  W-L is insignificant...

Agreed.  Would like to add the support needs to be there too.

[Guest DT]

12 minutes ago, DannEllenwood said:

Agreed.  Would like to add the support needs to be there too.

I disagree

There are 419 high schools in Indiana.  100 , almost 25%, have chosen not to play football.  Not all are 1A schools.

Football is THE most expensive extracurricular activity a high school can offer.  If participation/performance/interest decline to below subsistence levels, somebody has the responsibility to pull the plug and reallocate those dollars.  How many times have I read that nearly all teachers take money out of their own pockets to help with school supplies, or work unpaid on their days off.  What value does a student athlete get when his varsity football team goes 3-40 during his freshman thru senior years?  Maybe he could have gotten more benefit from participating in other activities, or maybe a fellow student could have benefitted from the football $ allocated to each player on the roster.

This is not a crusade.  The Multiplier was a crusade.  And a successful one at that.    Its common sense decision making made at the local level.

I would be willing to bet that there are 40 to 50 schools TODAY in Indiana that would pull the plug on football were it not for external public pressure.  The incoming new era of administrators are not pro football like their predecessors.  There will be less internal support to maintain a faltering program than there has been in the past.  More women are coming into high level admin roles as well.  This does not bode well for schools on the contraction block.  

 

Edited September 25, 2019 by DT

[gonzoron]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

I would be willing to bet that there are 40 to 50 schools TODAY in Indiana that would pull the plug on football were it not for external public pressure.  

Keep up the good work public!

[Guest DT]

1 minute ago, gonzoron said:

Keep up the good work public!

Target 280  Thats the number   Need 40 to contract.  

[btownqbcoach]

So many baseless opinions. Eeesh

[Gipper]

2 minutes ago, btownqbcoach said:

So many baseless opinions. Eeesh

Exactly!!!

[Guest DT]

2 minutes ago, btownqbcoach said:

So many baseless opinions. Eeesh

I would never suggest contraction for a school without completing a thorough review of the facts.

Most are objective, some subjective.

 

 

[Guest DT]

Last year, we recommended contraction for the Hammond Bishop Noll program

 

The facts :

* Chronic lack of competitiveness 

* 33 losses in 34 games

* Nearly 50 ppg point differential

* Chronic coaching turnover

* Chronic low numbers

* Game cancellations 

* Internal suspension of lower level games

* Significant injury problems 

* Non existent feeder systems

* No community support

 

Noll is playing a JV schedule this year.  No long term commitments have been made as the school evaluates its gridiron future.

* Poor admin support

* Significant internal demographic changes impacting participation.

* Non existent alumni support

 

The list goes on and on.  You can apply this same list to many schools who are struggling to compete across the state.  

 

Apply this list to the Shelbyville program.  Lots of similarities.

 

 

Edited September 25, 2019 by DT

[Gipper]

Shouldn’t NP go independent?

Just like Penn, Carmel, Cathedral, and every other school with a great program?

[Gipper]

Success, over the long term, is very difficult to maintain: remember that...

Edited September 26, 2019 by Gipper

[Gipper]

Ask CC, Penn, even the Runnin’ Rebels of South Newton... 

[ts32]

11 hours ago, superjay said:

IHSAA needs to get creative and Establish a rehab class for situations like this.  Frankfort, Crawfordsville, Shelbyville, Owen Valley,  and other mid size schools would benefit.  Basically give them the option to opt out of tournament.  And play games against similar competion.  It doesn’t  really help the good programs/teams to beat these schools to death.

No kidding there...did you see what 1A North Vermillion did to Owen  Valley in week one?

[DanteEstonia]

3 hours ago, Gipper said:

Shouldn’t NP go independent?

Just like Penn, Carmel, Cathedral, and every other school with a great program?

Penn and Carmel aren’t independent.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, DT said:

I disagree

There are 419 high schools in Indiana.  100 , almost 25%, have chosen not to play football.  Not all are 1A schools.

Football is THE most expensive extracurricular activity a high school can offer.  If participation/performance/interest decline to below subsistence levels, somebody has the responsibility to pull the plug and reallocate those dollars.  How many times have I read that nearly all teachers take money out of their own pockets to help with school supplies, or work unpaid on their days off.  What value does a student athlete get when his varsity football team goes 3-40 during his freshman thru senior years?  Maybe he could have gotten more benefit from participating in other activities, or maybe a fellow student could have benefitted from the football $ allocated to each player on the roster.

This is not a crusade.  The Multiplier was a crusade.  And a successful one at that.    Its common sense decision making made at the local level.

I would be willing to bet that there are 40 to 50 schools TODAY in Indiana that would pull the plug on football were it not for external public pressure.  The incoming new era of administrators are not pro football like their predecessors.  There will be less internal support to maintain a faltering program than there has been in the past.  More women are coming into high level admin roles as well.  This does not bode well for schools on the contraction block.  

 

I get it. I do see your point. Thank you for taking the time. Have a great evening DT. Hope all is well. 

[Gipper]

21 minutes ago, DanteEstonia said:

Penn and Carmel aren’t independent.

I know....

[psaboy]

6 hours ago, DT said:

I disagree

There are 419 high schools in Indiana.  100 , almost 25%, have chosen not to play football.  Not all are 1A schools.

Football is THE most expensive extracurricular activity a high school can offer.  If participation/performance/interest decline to below subsistence levels, somebody has the responsibility to pull the plug and reallocate those dollars.  How many times have I read that nearly all teachers take money out of their own pockets to help with school supplies, or work unpaid on their days off.  What value does a student athlete get when his varsity football team goes 3-40 during his freshman thru senior years?  Maybe he could have gotten more benefit from participating in other activities, or maybe a fellow student could have benefitted from the football $ allocated to each player on the roster.

This is not a crusade.  The Multiplier was a crusade.  And a successful one at that.    Its common sense decision making made at the local level.

I would be willing to bet that there are 40 to 50 schools TODAY in Indiana that would pull the plug on football were it not for external public pressure.  The incoming new era of administrators are not pro football like their predecessors.  There will be less internal support to maintain a faltering program than there has been in the past.  More women are coming into high level admin roles as well.  This does not bode well for schools on the contraction block.  

 

Out of curiosity, what is the largest school that doesn't field a football team?

[Frozen Tundra]

19 minutes ago, psaboy said:

Out of curiosity, what is the largest school that doesn't field a football team?

Looks like Indianapolis Herron based on what I'm seeing. They have 889 students which is more than what Angola has and Angola is in 4A in football.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Frozen Tundra