6A Tournament: OFFICIAL Thread

[Rodney]

7 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I already gave my prediction, why do I have to give it again?

Lets roll with.............Carroll wins if they play to their potential. They lose if they have an off night.

you're going to give temp a heart attack

 

10 minutes ago, Zionsville_Superfan said:

What makes you say that?

Carroll is outmatched at just about every position.

I could tell you that absolutely nothing makes me say that, and I just made up a score because I want to see Carroll win.

 

but that isn't really my style

 

so

 

2 years ago Westfield gave away an easy win vs #37 Crown point, sending them to the state championship

and I will never forget that.

[Zionsville_Superfan]

"2 years ago"

[23andCounting]

3 minutes ago, Rodney said:

you're going to give temp a heart attack

2 years ago Westfield gave away an easy win vs #37 Crown point, sending them to the state championship

Hope not, he provides too much content here. 

Wasn't that game a blowout to start? The Rocks made a late comeback effort before CP woke up again? 

[FastpacedO]

22 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I wouldn't say all positions.  Finch at DE and Thomas at RB for Warren I believe are the most talented at those positions...by a longshot.  Overall team, I agree with you.

Yes my statement didn't come out how I was trying to state it.

I was trying to state overall team Brownsburg is better. By that I mean Warren Central has better talent at a couple of positions, but Brownsburg collectively has better talent at all other positions and the talent they have at DE and RB while not as high profile as WC they are still extremely good players and bridge the gap. Jobe, Lewis, and Sumpterbey are 3 excellent RB's that Brownsburg has to rotate through behid a big and very talented Offensive Line. Cole and Hall aren't as talented as Finch but are good enough to collectively mesh with the overall talent on defense for the Bulldogs.

I agree with your statement mine just didn't come out how I intended.

[Bash Riprock]

20 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Yes my statement didn't come out how I was trying to state it.

I was trying to state overall team Brownsburg is better. By that I mean Warren Central has better talent at a couple of positions, but Brownsburg collectively has better talent at all other positions and the talent they have at DE and RB while not as high profile as WC they are still extremely good players and bridge the gap. Jobe, Lewis, and Sumpterbey are 3 excellent RB's that Brownsburg has to rotate through behid a big and very talented Offensive Line. Cole and Hall aren't as talented as Finch but are good enough to collectively mesh with the overall talent on defense for the Bulldogs.

I agree with your statement mine just didn't come out how I intended.

Thanks...agree with you 100%  On paper, BB is the overall deeper team and should be a significant favorite.  I think we are looking at BB vs Westfield for the 2nd time this season in the 6A final.

Edited November 21, 2025 by Bash Riprock

[23andCounting]

18 hours ago, Zionsville_Superfan said:

Carroll is outmatched at just about every position.

Is that opinion or fact? Can you elaborate on this further?

[23andCounting]

I'm struggling to grasp that Carroll is outmatched at the QB and WR position...... @Zionsville_Superfan "Carroll is outmatch at just about every position":

Team Stat Comparison

Westfield		Carroll
177.2	Rushing Yards Per Game	62.9
144.4	Passing Yards Per Game	282.0
146.0	Receiving Yards Per Game	282.0
321.6	Total Yards Per Game	344.9
61.3	Tackles Per Game	64.7
3.4	Sacks Per Game	1.5
27.0	Points Per Game	36.8

[Zionsville_Superfan]

5 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

I'm struggling to grasp that Carroll is outmatched at the QB and WR position...... @Zionsville_Superfan "Carroll is outmatch at just about every position":

Team Stat Comparison

Westfield		Carroll
177.2	Rushing Yards Per Game	62.9
144.4	Passing Yards Per Game	282.0
146.0	Receiving Yards Per Game	282.0
321.6	Total Yards Per Game	344.9
61.3	Tackles Per Game	64.7
3.4	Sacks Per Game	1.5
27.0	Points Per Game	36.8

 

It's hard to believe that you are comparing the Summit to the HCC

22 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Is that opinion or fact? Can you elaborate on this further?

you'll find out later tonight

[23andCounting]

14 minutes ago, Zionsville_Superfan said:

 

It's hard to believe that you are comparing the Summit to the HCC

you'll find out later tonight

That's all?

[Zionsville_Superfan]

do you think the Summit is as competitive as the HCC?

if not then those stats mean nothing.

[Rodney]

Brownsburg is awesome

 

Westfield is a hell of a football team

 

The 2025 hcc is not the 2008 mic

 

[Zionsville_Superfan]

still a heck of a lot better than the summit

[23andCounting]

44 minutes ago, Zionsville_Superfan said:

do you think the Summit is as competitive as the HCC?

if not then those stats mean nothing.

No worries. I just thought you'd come back with something like.............Westfield has four 3-star athletes compared to Carroll's none. Or maybe that Westfield's CB & S are D1 commits and will be a thorn in Carroll's passing game. Anything else? How to the offensive and defensive lines match up? 

No, I don't think the SAC is as competitive as the HCC. I think they have eight pretty decent football teams though. North Side almost beat Concord. South Side almost beat East Noble. Carroll beat Penn, who beat Crown Point. They also did pretty well against HSE without their best player. Homestead beat Noblesville. Dwenger was within three of Roncalli. Snider beat Luers who is playing for a semi-state championship. Northrop had their best team in 25 years. So no, I don't necessarily believe that the SAC is a bunch of chumps. 

[Bash Riprock]

23 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

No worries. I just thought you'd come back with something like.............Westfield has four 3-star athletes compared to Carroll's none. Or maybe that Westfield's CB & S are D1 commits and will be a thorn in Carroll's passing game. Anything else? How to the offensive and defensive lines match up? 

No, I don't think the SAC is as competitive as the HCC. I think they have eight pretty decent football teams though. North Side almost beat Concord. South Side almost beat East Noble. Carroll beat Penn, who beat Crown Point. They also did pretty well against HSE without their best player. Homestead beat Noblesville. Dwenger was within three of Roncalli. Snider beat Luers who is playing for a semi-state championship. Northrop had their best team in 25 years. So no, I don't necessarily believe that the SAC is a bunch of chumps. 

Regardless of the outcome of the game, Carroll will definitely outhit Westfield....she's no one to be messed with....

[23andCounting]

19 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Regardless of the outcome of the game, Carroll will definitely outhit Westfield.

You know damn well that's coming tomorrow morning ;). 

[FastpacedO]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Brownsburg is awesome

 

Westfield is a hell of a football team

 

The 2025 hcc is not the 2008 mic

 

Fisher's is also a heck of a football team

HSE this year was up and down (inconsistent).

Most years the top 4 teams are very solid in the HCC (Brownsburg, Westfield, Fishers, HSE).

Avon has had some terrific years in the past. Avon was inconsistent this year but look to be on the upswing

Zionsville and Franklin Central can be head scratchers most years, they have some talent at both schools just doesn't always translate sometimes.

Noblesville was competitive in their losses last year, this year they were not as competitive in their losses. It is a little baffling why Noblesville can't turn the corner like Westfield has.

Just for the record none of what I just stated equates to me stating Westfield is better than Carroll at every position. I feel Westfield's defense is very good and Offense is good enough to win the game against Carroll, but I wouldn't say Westfield is better than Carroll at every position.

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Fisher's is also a heck of a football team

HSE this year was up and down (inconsistent).

Most years the top 4 teams are very solid in the HCC (Brownsburg, Westfield, Fishers, HSE).

Avon has had some terrific years in the past. Avon was inconsistent this year but look to be on the upswing

Zionsville and Franklin Central can be head scratchers most years, they have some talent at both schools just doesn't always translate sometimes.

Noblesville was competitive in their losses last year, this year they were not as competitive in their losses. It is a little baffling why Noblesville can't turn the corner like Westfield has.

Just for the record none of what I just stated equates to me stating Westfield is better than Carroll at every position. I feel Westfield's defense is very good and Offense is good enough to win the game against Carroll, but I wouldn't say Westfield is better than Carroll at every position.

Seems like the same annual debate annually and at the risk of looking foolish in a few hours, we all know that SAC teams like Carroll, Dwenger and Luers can beat anyone in their class on any given night but if they were given Franklin Central, Zionsville or Noblesville’s schedule, would flirt with .500.

Surely @23andCounting will roll in and tell me I am wrong but I feel like FC, ZV and Noblesville unfairly catch strays from folks because they are sub .500 most years and are at the bottom of the HCC.

Consequently, give those three programs a SAC schedule where they can breathe 2-3 times per year and they are 6+ win figure outfits annually.

Edited November 21, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Seems like the same annual debate annually and at the risk of looking foolish in a few hours, we all know that SAC teams like Carroll, Dwenger and Luers can beat anyone in their class on any given night but if they were given Franklin Central, Zionsville or Noblesville’s schedule, would flirt with .500.

Surely @23andCounting will roll in and tell me I am wrong but I feel like FC, ZV and Noblesville unfairly catch strays from folks because they are sub .500 most years and are at the bottom of the HCC.

Consequently, give those three programs a SAC schedule where they can breathe 2-3 times per year and they are 6+ win figure outfits annually.

Mostly right. Not sure "give those three programs a SAC schedule where they can breathe 2-3 times per year and they are 6+ win figure outfits annually" is accurate. Add those programs to a conference with Snider, Carroll, Dwenger, and Homestead.........somethings got to give. Some of those teams are looking at at a 4-5 win season on occasion. 

No one with a morsal of knowledge about high school football will argue with "FC, ZV and Noblesville unfairly catch strays from folks because they are sub .500 most years and are at the bottom of the HCC." Those are good football teams playing a brutal schedule of large enrollment high socioeconomic status communities. 

Snider, Luers, Homestead, Dwenger, and Carroll benefit from the off weeks against the likes of...........this year Concordia and Wayne. It's cyclical though. Both those programs have state titles. I think it would be correct to say that SAC normally consists of four programs that are statewide good, four that are formidable and you better come ready to play (expected wins), and two that are probably so far down in the dumps that you can rest your starters after halftime. 

Third best conference in the state. We're well aware of that Temp, but thanks for continuing to remind us.

Edited November 21, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Rodney]

14 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Mostly right. Not sure "give those three programs a SAC schedule where they can breathe 2-3 times per year and they are 6+ win figure outfits annually" is accurate. Add those programs to a conference with Snider, Carroll, Dwenger, and Homestead.........somethings got to give. Some of those teams are looking at at a 4-5 win season on occasion. 

No one with a morsal of knowledge about high school football will argue with "FC, ZV and Noblesville unfairly catch strays from folks because they are sub .500 most years and are at the bottom of the HCC." Those are good football teams playing a brutal schedule of large enrollment high socioeconomic status communities. 

Snider, Luers, Homestead, Dwenger, and Carroll benefit from the off weeks against the likes of...........this year Concordia and Wayne. It's cyclical though. Both those programs have state titles. I think it would be correct to say that SAC normally consists of four programs that are statewide good, four that are formidable and you better come ready to play (expected wins), and two that are probably so far down in the dumps that you can rest your starters after halftime. 

Third best conference in the state. We're well aware of that Temp, but thanks for continuing to remind us.

The sac is just smaller than the hcc.

Its not a 6a conference

But they got 3 teams playing tonight

[WestfieldRocks]

On 11/20/2025 at 7:25 PM, 23andCounting said:

Hope not, he provides too much content here. 

Wasn't that game a blowout to start? The Rocks made a late comeback effort before CP woke up again? 

It was. Westfield had that long bus trip, and for some unknown reason, didn't hire transportation, rather they had their busses take them up there. They pretty much controlled the second half. Jake Gilbert was a heck of a coach, but most Westfield people will tell you that he made a mistake when Westfield had the chance to win the game with a two point conversion late in regulation and went for the tie and OT. Westfield's running back was not to be stopped late in that game. They had the momentum. Should have cashed in there instead of OT. Then last year, the reverse. CP looked slow, nothing like the northern folks here advertised. Westfield dominated from the beginning.

[Sparty]

20 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Regardless of the outcome of the game, Carroll will definitely outhit Westfield....she's no one to be messed with....

From Richmond, In.  

GREAT crew on the game.  

[Yuccaguy]

5 hours ago, Sparty said:

From Richmond, In.  

GREAT crew on the game.  

But apparently not good enough for LOS...  WOW!

[temptation]

Temp’s Updated Title Odds:

Brownsburg - 60%
Westfield - 40%

[BLACKGOLD2007]

What happened in the Carroll Westfield game?

[CoachMack219]

32 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

What happened in the Carroll Westfield game?

Westfield happened. Lol