Muda69 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said: FYI Darwin has a giant math problem that even he couldn’t solve. Since Darwin published his work, we have discovered many new technologies, most notably in Darwin’s case DNA. My point was Darwin based everything on 19th Century data, new technologies have merely exacerbated his math problem. Darwin is wrong because his data is old and outdated. So you don't believe in evolution? Everything on the planet earth sprung fully formed from the forehead of <insert deity here>, and they have never changed since? 1 hour ago, Coach Harvey said: Here you go @Muda69 A study completed in 2011 found that there is no scientific evidence to support concern that the turf is harboring the bacteria that causes MRSA. Serensits TJ, McNitt AS, Peterunak DM. Human health issues on synthetic turf in the USA. J Sports Eng. & Tech. 2011;225(Part P). DOI:10.1177/1754337111398407. Furthermore, a study completed in 2004 found that while turf burn may open up the skin for infection, the bacteria was actually being transmitted in the locker room. Begier et al. 2004. A High-Morbidity Outbreak of Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus among Players on a College Football Team, Facilitated by Cosmetic Body Shaving and Turf Burns. Clin Inf Dis. 2004;39:1446-53. If you need more studies which reinforce the above here is some light reading for you: Serensits, T J, et al. “Human Health Issues on Synthetic Turf in the USA.” Proceedings of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, Part P: Journal of Sports Engineering and Technology, vol. 225, no. 3, 13 June 2011, pp. 139–146, plantscience.psu.edu/research/centers/ssrc/documents/human-health-issues-on-synthetic-turf-in-the-usa.pdf, 10.1177/1754337111398407. THE SYNTHETIC TURF COUNCIL On the Research Project SURVIVAL OF Staphylococcus Aureus ON SYNTHETIC TURF College of Agricultural Sciences For Athletes. 2019, www.cdc.gov/mrsa/community/team-hc-providers/advice-for-athletes.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmrsa%2Fgroups%2Fadvice-for-athletes.html. Accessed 11 May 2019. Thank you. Can you please provide the URL to the original cited work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 https://www.uhhospitals.org/for-clinicians/articles-and-news/articles/2019/08/artificial-turf-versus-natural-grass Quote The University Hospitals Sports Medicine Institute partners with more than 50 area high schools to keep their athletes injury free. With that goal in mind, the department decided to analyze data to compare injury rates on artificial versus natural playing surfaces among high school athletes — both male and female — for all sports played on a field. Using UH Sports Medicine Institute's school-based electronic medical record (EMR) system, physician-researchers from University Hospitals, Case Western Reserve University and UH Sports Medicine Institute analyzed data collected by 26 high school athletic trainers during the 2017-2018 athletic seasons. They found athletes were 58 percent more likely to sustain an injury during athletic activity on artificial turf. Injury rates were significantly higher for football, girls and boys soccer, and rugby athletes. Lower extremity, upper extremity, and torso injuries were also found to occur with a higher incidence on artificial turf. Previous studies, although less comprehensive, back the UH Sports Medicine Institute team's findings. A systematic review published last year evaluated the risk of ACL injuries in football and soccer athletes playing on artificial and natural grass surfaces. The authors found an increased rate of ACL injury in football athletes playing on artificial turf compared with natural grass, but no increased risk in soccer. Although artificial turf quality has improved dramatically during the past five to 10 years, studies suggest athletes should take preventive measures when playing on artificial turf. "Our study highlights the need to educate high school athletes on the importance of having the right shoes and cleats," says James Voos, MD, Chair of the University Hospitals Department of Orthopaedics, and Associate Professor of Orthopaedics, Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, "Schools also need to adequately maintain the turf to the appropriate quality to reduce injury risk." STUDY DETAILS Researchers identified a total of 953 injuries during the 2017-2018 athletic seasons, with 585 of them occurring on synthetic turf and 368 on natural grass. Researchers then performed subgroup analysis to determine injuries that took place on artificial turf versus natural grass based on injury location (lower extremity, upper extremity, torso), sport, level of competitive play (freshman, junior varsity, varsity), and practice versus competition injuries. Breaking it down, injuries in upper and lower extremities and torso occurred more frequently on artificial turf than on natural grass. When analyzing by sport, researchers found that football, men's lacrosse, rugby, and girls and boys soccer had higher rates of injury than other sports. Although no statistically significant difference was found in level of play, there was a higher level of competition injury compared with injuries sustained in practice. Dr. Voos says the team plans to publish the study this year. They presented their findings at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine (AOSSM) 2019 Annual Meeting in Boston, Massachusetts, in June 2019. With the study complete, the next step is to research the impact of factors such as turf quality, shoe wear and injury prevention programs on injury rates, especially during competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 https://villagegreennj.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/The-Problems-with-Artificial-Turf.pdf Quote Summary Artificial turf fields pose threats to player health, the environment, and community budgets. Players on artificial turf face health risks which appear inherent to this product. 1) Artificial turf fields become dangerously hot, causing skin injury and heat exhaustion. Despite a decade of research, the industry has failed to make them cooler. 2) Joint injuries (including ACL tears) are more common on artificial turf because of the increased traction of this surface compared to natural grass. 3) Concussion has emerged as a risk on artificial turf, requiring ongoing expenditure and active field maintenance to mitigate. 4) Players on artificial turf are also exposed to toxic dust and gases as field components abrade and heat up. Especially at high temperatures, artificial turf emits volatile organic compounds including benzothiazole and nhexadane. Particulate matter from artificial turf includes silica, carbon black, lead, arsenic, cadmium, chromium and other heavy metals. A study by an expert on children’s exposure to lead suggests children on artificial turf fields are playing in a “significant particulate cloud.” Consumers may be unaware of these risks because agencies they trust to test product safety – the U.S. E.P.A. and the Consumer Product Safety Commission – instead acted between 2003 and 2015 as the marketing department of the industry they were supposed to regulate. The turf field boom was initially promoted by the EPA as a way of confronting a waste tire disposal crisis. By 2015, faced with a cancer cluster among soccer goalies, and under Congressional investigation, the agencies no longer claimed artificial turf is safe (“‘Safe to play on‘ means something to parents that I don’t think we intended to convey”), but not before thousands of fields were installed across the country. Artificial turf has many negative impacts on the environment. An artificial turf field creates a “heat island” hotter than asphalt, off-gasses VOC’s, requires removal of organic soil and trees, requires regular treatment with chemicals, disperses 7000 lbs on average of microplastics annually into the environment, prevents groundwater recharge, contributes to flooding, contributes to global warming, and as each field wears out, requires disposal of 500,000 lbs of (mostly petroleum) waste every decade. Artificial turf is ruinous to school or municipal budgets. An artificial turf field involves steep upfront costs upon installation ($1 million and up); routine maintenance costs similar to or greater than the cost of maintaining a grass field ($25,000/year and up); the not-uncommon risk of ‘premature failure’ of the field – leading to litigation, added expense and lost playing time; and the cost of disposal every ten years ($200,000 and up), a cost which is guaranteed to rise. .. (detailed analysis of the above points follow in linked PDF) .. Artificial turf fields were promoted in the context of a ‘pro-business,’ ‘pro-petroleum’ political/economic environment, in which the urgency of solving the waste tire crisis outweighed the responsibility to protect the environment and children’s health. There is reason to hope this will not continue to be the case, and that communities will conclude sooner rather than later that “taking something with all kinds of hazardous materials in it and making it something kids play on” is indeed a dumb idea. When communities finally realize something is dumb (like underground oil tanks), there is often a rush for the exits. Let’s not be the last ones off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 One thing you won't see on artificial turf: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, gonzoron said: One thing you won't see on artificial turf: I also suspect that the incident of dog cr*p on your field goes down too with artificial turf. Had a game one time on a grass field, where after the first play from scrimmage, we all get back in defensive huddle, and all of a sudden the smell just hits us all. Everyone's checking their shoes and looking on the ground and all of a sudden one of the corners just jumps back out of the huddle and starts pointing at the right tackle's back. Apparently on the play, he'd tackled the back and rolled in it and it was smeared all over his back. Wasn't quite like the huddle scene in The Replacements, but there was a lot of gagging going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, foxbat said: I also suspect that the incident of dog cr*p on your field goes down too with artificial turf. Had a game one time on a grass field, where after the first play from scrimmage, we all get back in defensive huddle, and all of a sudden the smell just hits us all. Everyone's checking their shoes and looking on the ground and all of a sudden one of the corners just jumps back out of the huddle and starts pointing at the right tackle's back. Apparently on the play, he'd tackled the back and rolled in it and it was smeared all over his back. Wasn't quite like the huddle scene in The Replacements, but there was a lot of gagging going on. Seems legit. Once the dog chased the rabbit down the hole, he had nothing left to do but leave a big pile of poop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhpatriot04 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 12:56 PM, Impartial_Observer said: Not to hijack the thread but if I remember correctly approximately 80% of the population are carriers of MRSA……and it should be pointed out that we’ll all probably die from something sooner or later. Possibly the Sun kills it? UV light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) On 8/27/2022 at 12:30 AM, Impartial_Observer said: No clue, I know the turf comes with a prescribed maintenance/disinfecting routine. And if this routine is not performed to the letter any warranty on the artificial surface is null and void. Edited August 30, 2022 by Muda69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Muda69 said: And if this routine is not performed to the letter any warranty on the artificial surface is null and void. I guess we all know where you stand on mattress labels. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: I guess we all know where you stand on mattress labels. I don't recall reading cleaning/maintenance instructions on my latest mattress label. The urban legend surrounding mattress labels is debunked by those four words "except by the consumer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 12:56 PM, Impartial_Observer said: Not to hijack the thread This didn't age well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Apparently the next big thin.... err expense for high school football stadiums: LED lighting where you can design fancy lighting patterns for touchdowns, turnovers, etc: https://sportsvenuecalculator.com/knowledge/sports-field-lighting/led-sports-lighting-retrofit-cost/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Apparently the next big thin.... err expense for high school football stadiums: LED lighting where you can design fancy lighting patterns for touchdowns, turnovers, etc: https://sportsvenuecalculator.com/knowledge/sports-field-lighting/led-sports-lighting-retrofit-cost/ This has nothing to do with turf. Zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said: This has nothing to do with turf. Zero. It is beyond turf. The very word in your thread title. If you want the post removed then please report it to the GID administrators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW0352 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 On 12/11/2019 at 8:15 AM, btownqbcoach said: Last off-season myself and a few others on this board (and my gf) went sectional by sectional throughout the state and found who has turf/doesn't. I might have maybe a few wrong, but this list is pretty accurate. If you know of a school that is getting turf for 2020 or is voting on it soon, or has it in the works for 2021 please let me know. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Crown Point Chesterton Carroll Carmel Avon BD LC Center Grove 32 Total Lake Central Penn Homestead Westfield Brownsburg Tech WC CN 31 Turf Merrillville Portage Noblesville HSE Pike Perry Meridian LN CE 1 Not Turf Laf Jeff Valpo Warsaw Fishers Zionsville Southport North Central Franklin Cent 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 LaPorte Concord FW BD Anderson Decatur Cent Franklin Bloom South BNL 34 Michigan City Elk Central FW Snider Laf Harrison Plainfield New Pal Bloom North FC 24 Mishawaka Elk Memorial FW Northrop Kokomo TH North Seymour Castle NA 8 Munster Goshen FW NS McCutheon TH South Whiteland Ev North Jeff (2020) 2 No home field SB Adams Cathedral 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 East Chicago Culver Angola Delta Connersville Beech Grove East Central Boonville 62 Gary WS Kankakee Valley Columbia City FW SS Greenfield Central Frankfort Greenwood Jasper 34 Griffith Logansport DeKalb FW Wayne Mt. Vernon Fortville JC Eville Central 26 Hammond Gavit New Prairie East Noble Huntington North Muncie Central Attucks Madison Eville Memorial 1 Haven't heard from Hammond Morton Plymouth Leo Jay County New Castle Shortridge SC Eville Reitz 1 Highland SB Clay Northridge Marion Pendleton Heights Lebanon Mooresville Eville Harrison Hobart SB Riley NorthWood Mississinewa Richmond Roncalli Martinsville Northview Lowell SB St Joe Wawasee New Haven Shelbyville Western SD 25 26 27 28 Hammond Lakeland FW Concordia Guerin 64 Hammond Clarke John Glenn Belmont Brebeuf 18 Hanover Central West Noble Oak Hill Crawfordsville 42 River Forest Mis Marion Peru Chatard Knox Garrett Northwestern North Montgomery 4 Calumet SB Wash Maconquah West Laf Benton Central Jimtown Norwell Hamilton Heights Twin Lakes Tipp Valley Heritage Yorktown 29 30 31 32 West Vigo Washington Brownstown Ev Bosse Ritter Princeton Scottsburg Gibson So Greencastle Sullivan Charlestown (2020) Mt. Vernon Danville Pike Central Lawrenceburg Heritage Hills Tri West Vinncennes Franklin Co Salem Manual Owen Valley Batesville Cordyon Indpls Wash Brown Co Greensburg North Harrison Indian Creek Edgewood Rushville Southridge 33 34 35 36 Andrean Bremen Bluffton Alexandria 64 Boone Grove Delphi Central Noble Blackford 12 Bowman LaVille Eastside Eastbrook 47 Hammon Bishop Noll Lewis Cass Fairfield Eastern (Greentown) 2 North Newton Manchester Luers Elwood 3 Ren Central Pioneer Whitko Frankton Wheeler Rochester Woodlan Lapel Whiting Wabash Prairie Heights Tipton 37 38 39 40 Cascade Centerville Clarksville Forest Park Monrovia Eastern Hancock Pekin North Posey North Putnam Heritage Christian Providence Eville Mater Dei Seegar Howe Paoli Crawford Co South Vermillion Scecina Mitchell Linton Southmont Northeastern Switzerland Co North Knox Speedway Shenandoah Triton Central Tell City Western Boone Winchester Union Co South Spencer 41 42 43 44 64 Culver Community Carroll (Flora) Madison-Grant Adams Central 64 Gary Roosevelt Clinton Central Monroe Central Caston 5 Lake Station Edison Clinton Prairie South Adams Fremont 57 North Judson Frontier Southern Wells North Miami 2 West Central LCC Taylor Northfield 1 Winamac North White Tri-Central Southwood South Newton Traders Point Academy Union City Triton South Central (Union Mills) Tri-County Wes Del Churubusco 45 46 47 48 Attica Anderon Prep Cambridge City Eastern Greene Cloverdale Covenant Christian Hagerstown North Central (Farmersburg) Covington Edinburgh Knighstown North Daviess Fountain Central School of Deaf Milan Perry Central North Vermillion Lutheran North Decatur West Washington Parke Heritage Park Tudor South Decatur Rock Creek Riverton Parke Sheridan Tri Springs Valley South Putnam Tindley Oldenburg Tecumseh So only 1 class 6A and 8 class 5A schools do not have turf. Interesting. to me the biggest positives outweigh any negatives. You don’t have to worry about not practicing (football, baseball, band, soccer, the list doesn’t end) or having class on the field during school without tearing it up. And one rainy game doesn’t ruin the field for the year for all age levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: It is beyond turf. The very word in your thread title. It's turf in 2020 and beyond 2020. 'beyond' in this case means in the future, not the past (which is where you dwell.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, gonzoron said: It's turf in 2020 and beyond 2020. 'beyond' in this case means in the future, not the past (which is where you dwell.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: Grammar Nazi, fun police, pick your poison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said: fun police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_and_10 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 hours ago, Muda69 said: Apparently the next big thin.... err expense for high school football stadiums: LED lighting where you can design fancy lighting patterns for touchdowns, turnovers, etc: https://sportsvenuecalculator.com/knowledge/sports-field-lighting/led-sports-lighting-retrofit-cost/ Haven't been to Lebanon or Southmont yet, Muda? They both have it. It's obnoxious AF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said: Haven't been to Lebanon or Southmont yet, Muda? They both have it. It's obnoxious AF. No, I haven't. I hear Frankfort has installed it, at a cost of $335,000: Edited August 31, 2022 by Muda69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Muda69 said: Apparently the next big thin.... err expense for high school football stadiums: LED lighting where you can design fancy lighting patterns for touchdowns, turnovers, etc: https://sportsvenuecalculator.com/knowledge/sports-field-lighting/led-sports-lighting-retrofit-cost/ Our field was the first in the area to get them, so we got them at half price. But, they are LED lights, and cost savings from use is huge compared to the old lights, We were even able to remove a pole from the setup on each side, and it uses fewer bulbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Muda69 said: Apparently the next big thin.... err expense for high school football stadiums: LED lighting where you can design fancy lighting patterns for touchdowns, turnovers, etc: https://sportsvenuecalculator.com/knowledge/sports-field-lighting/led-sports-lighting-retrofit-cost/ The new stadium at Fort Wayne Carroll has it and it was awesome in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, NLCTigerFan07 said: The new stadium at Fort Wayne Carroll has it and it was awesome in my opinion. It is. Unless you're a miserable person. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 hours ago, AW0352 said: So only 1 class 6A and 8 class 5A schools do not have turf. Interesting. to me the biggest positives outweigh any negatives. You don’t have to worry about not practicing (football, baseball, band, soccer, the list doesn’t end) or having class on the field during school without tearing it up. And one rainy game doesn’t ruin the field for the year for all age levels. Nope, no 6As without turf anymore! .. and there are 6 5As left. Both Terre Hautes, Castle, FW Northside, Mishawaka, Concord. I can share the updated document with you, if you would like! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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