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@Purdue Pete Hard to tell what went on in the Chatard/Guerin game. Credit to the Guerin kids as they made all of the big plays (75 yd wr screen for a TD, ricochet pass off the Chatard WR that was intercepted and returned to the 1 yard line, double ricochet pass that landed in the Guerin WR hands for a 54 yd TD, multiple long KRs). Guerin was certainly far more disciplined as the yellow flags were plentiful against Chatard. Guerin was 1 missed 2 pointer from winning it (maybe that was Chatard’s one big play?). Much respect to the Guerin kids and coaching staff for their performance. After watching it I can't really say if Guerin is better than they played against Brebeuf and Roncalli, if Chatard is worse, if it was a trap game, who knows. I guess that’s why it’s fun that everyone makes the playoffs and gets to compete on the field. 

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Calpreps 3A rankings this week:

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1 Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Circle City 3A 4-2 2-1 (2nd) 1-0 29.1 20.5 20-14
WINS: #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (24-13), #2220 Guerin Catholic [St. Theodore] (Noblesville, IN) (31-30), #2330 Columbus North (Columbus, IN) (41-27), #9507 Arsenal Tech (Indianapolis, IN) (48-8), LOSSES: #157 Cathedral (Indianapolis, IN) (38-0), #255 Roncalli (Indianapolis, IN) (17-14)

 

2 Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Pocket - Big School 3A 6-0 2-0 (t 1st) 3-0 28.4 0.1 18-17
WINS: #1151 South Warren (Bowling Green, KY) (28-24), #2325 Southridge (Huntingburg, IN) (24-14), #2531 Terre Haute South Vigo (Terre Haute, IN) (27-20), #5367 Heritage Hills (Lincoln City, IN) (32-14), #8811 New Albany (IN) (45-7), #10568 Washington (IN) (57-20), LOSSES: none

 

3 West Lafayette (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Hoosier - West 3A 6-0 3-0 (1st) 1-0 25.0 -5.1 19-17
WINS: #1930 Harrison [William Henry] (West Lafayette, IN) (27-14), #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (47-18), #5337 Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) (52-21), #6605 McCutcheon (Lafayette, IN) (41-15), #8527 Rensselaer Central (Rensselaer, IN) (48-14), #9358 Benton Central (Oxford, IN) (55-0), LOSSES: none

 

4 Norwell (Ossian, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Northeast 8 3A 6-0 4-0 (t 1st) 2-0 21.7 -10.5 15-21
WINS: #3873 Leo (IN) (27-0), #5225 East Noble (Kendallville, IN) (45-0), #6105 Mississinewa (Gas City, IN) (22-7), #7237 New Haven (IN) (59-7), #7323 Heritage (Monroeville, IN) (42-0), #11861 Bellmont (Decatur, IN) (48-0), LOSSES: none



 

5 Owen Valley (Spencer, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Western Indiana - Gold 3A 6-0 4-0 (1st) 1-0 16.4 -15.1 17-19
WINS: #3553 Northview (Brazil, IN) (28-7), #4578 Sullivan (IN) (40-32), #5434 South Putnam (Greencastle, IN) (57-34), #5732 Indian Creek (Trafalgar, IN) (41-39), #11094 Edgewood (Ellettsville, IN) (57-7), #13578 Brown County (Nashville, IN) (77-7), LOSSES: none

 

6 Oak Hill (Converse, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Central Indiana 3A 6-0 4-0 (1st) 0-0 16.4 -12.4 22-14
WINS: #6105 Mississinewa (Gas City, IN) (45-22), #6709 Madison-Grant (Fairmount, IN) (35-6), #6915 Eastbrook (Marion, IN) (35-0), #7210 Southwood (Wabash, IN) (58-7), #8861 Frankton (IN) (40-0), #9045 Eastern (Greentown, IN) (41-3), LOSSES: none

 

7 Guerin Catholic [St. Theodore] (Noblesville, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Circle City 3A 3-3 0-3 (4th) 0-1 14.9 14.9 22-13
WINS: #4559 Heritage Christian (Indianapolis, IN) (35-21), #5337 Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) (47-10), #6605 McCutcheon (Lafayette, IN) (45-21), LOSSES: #255 Roncalli (Indianapolis, IN) (49-10), #826 Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN) (31-30), #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (28-7)

 

8 Southridge (Huntingburg, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Pocket - Small School 3A 5-1 3-0 (t 1st) 2-1 14.0 -11.2 17-19
WINS: #3681 Boonville (IN) (13-0), #5376 North Posey (Poseyville, IN) (49-0), #9781 Tell City (IN) (34-6), #10568 Washington (IN) (38-7), #12690 Pike Central (Petersburg, IN) (53-0), LOSSES: #868 Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN) (24-14)

 

9 Lincoln (Vincennes, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Southern Indiana 3A 4-2 4-2 (t 2nd) 0-0 11.1 -1 16-20
WINS: #2968 Mater Dei (Evansville, IN) (31-28), #7012 Harrison [William Henry] (Evansville, IN) (42-7), #8866 Bosse (Evansville, IN) (40-0), #9528 Evansville Central (Evansville, IN) (55-6), LOSSES: #924 Reitz [F. J.] (Evansville, IN) (31-28), #3124 Castle (Newburgh, IN) (35-21)

 

10 Western Boone (Thorntown, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 5-1 3-1 (t 2nd) 2-1 9.7 -12 18-18
WINS: #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (44-22), #5990 North Montgomery (Crawfordsville, IN) (35-8), #6975 Sheridan (IN) (35-12), #10086 Crawfordsville (IN) (49-0), #12305 Frankfort (IN) (56-6), LOSSES: #3111 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) (41-34)

 

11 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 4-2 3-1 (t 2nd) 2-0 8.7 1 18-17
WINS: #2955 Western Boone (Thorntown, IN) (41-34), #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (20-14), #4780 Danville (IN) (24-21), #12305 Frankfort (IN) (55-6), LOSSES: #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (36-8), #2985 Lebanon (IN) (21-14)

 

12 Lawrenceburg (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Eastern Indiana - Legends 3A 5-1 1-1 (3rd) 3-0 7.9 -9.7 16-20
WINS: #8005 Batesville (IN) (37-0), #8227 Taylor (Cleves, OH) (27-8), #8276 Franklin County (Brookville, IN) (28-0), #9175 Milan (IN) (49-12), #9413 Greensburg (IN) (55-0), LOSSES: #647 East Central (St. Leon, IN) (38-3)

 

13 Yorktown (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Hoosier Heritage 3A 5-1 3-1 (t 2nd) 1-0 4.8 -5.5 16-20
WINS: #5513 Delta (Muncie, IN) (35-21), #7443 New Castle (IN) (25-19), #8347 Anderson (IN) (20-0), #9169 Muncie Central (Muncie, IN) (27-7), #10209 Shelbyville (IN) (42-0), LOSSES: #183 New Palestine (IN) (50-13)

 

14 South Dearborn (Aurora, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Eastern Indiana - Leaders 3A 5-1 2-0 (1st) 3-0 4.7 -11 16-20
WINS: #7130 Connersville (IN) (33-14), #8005 Batesville (IN) (42-7), #9238 Madison (IN) (15-12), #9413 Greensburg (IN) (62-15), #10576 Jennings County (North Vernon, IN) (28-0), LOSSES: #647 East Central (St. Leon, IN) (48-6)

 

15 Speedway (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Indiana Crossroads 3A 4-2 2-2 (4th) 1-0 4.6 -7 18-17
WINS: #7130 Connersville (IN) (41-7), #7128 Monrovia (IN) (41-16), #7166 Covenant Christian (Indianapolis, IN) (41-0), #9714 Cardinal Ritter (Indianapolis, IN) (49-0), LOSSES: #1988 Scecina Memorial (Indianapolis, IN) (28-7), #5442 Beech Grove (IN) (51-35)

 

16 Hanover Central (Cedar Lake, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Greater South Shore - South 3A 6-0 1-0 (2nd) 3-0 4.2 -31.6 9-27
WINS: #8357 Culver Academies (Culver, IN) (44-6), #9725 Griffith (IN) (47-7), #10025 River Forest (Hobart, IN) (35-0), #12177 East Chicago Central (East Chicago, IN) (63-6), #12199 Boone Grove (Valparaiso, IN) (55-7), #12414 Morton (Hammond, IN) (37-0), LOSSES: none

 

17 Tippecanoe Valley (Akron, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Three Rivers 3A 6-0 5-0 (t 1st) 1-0 2.9 -29.9 11-25
WINS: #5232 Rochester (IN) (26-17), #8960 Wawasee (Syracuse, IN) (26-0), #8975 Northfield (Wabash, IN) (49-19), #10262 Peru (IN) (41-22), #12999 Manchester (North Manchester, IN) (43-13), #13689 Whitko (South Whitley, IN) (60-6), LOSSES: none

 

18 West Noble (Ligonier, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Northeast Corner - Big 3A 5-1 2-1 (2nd) 2-0 1.1 -14.8 15-21
WINS: #5053 Eastside (Butler, IN) (28-27), #7550 Fairfield (Goshen, IN) (33-7), #8960 Wawasee (Syracuse, IN) (35-24), #10520 Garrett (IN) (40-14), #10643 Central Noble (Albion, IN) (33-7), LOSSES: #4186 Angola (IN) (26-7)

 

19 Danville (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 2-4 2-2 (5th) 1-1 0.3 7.5 25-11
WINS: #2985 Lebanon (IN) (14-13), #10086 Crawfordsville (IN) (49-6), LOSSES: #1092 Mooresville (IN) (38-17), #1172 Franklin (IN) (42-14), #3111 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) (24-21), #4263 Southmont (Crawfordsville, IN) (28-14)

 

20 Charlestown (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Mid-Southern 3A 5-1 4-0 (1st) 2-0 -0.6 -22.2 17-18
WINS: #7666 Brownstown Central (Brownstown, IN) (30-13), #8563 North Harrison (Ramsey, IN) (39-13), #9984 Clarksville (IN) (43-21), #10341 Silver Creek (Sellersburg, IN) (44-13), #13137 Scottsburg (IN) (52-13), LOSSES: #4585 Providence (Clarksville, IN) (35-28)
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Maxpreps:

# School Ovr. Rating Str.
1 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis) 4-2 29.1 20.5
2 Gibson Southern (Fort Branch) 6-0 28.4 0.1
3 West Lafayette 6-0 25.0 -5.1
4 Norwell (Ossian) 6-0 21.7 -10.5
5 Oak Hill (Converse) 6-0 16.4 -12.4
6 Owen Valley (Spencer) 6-0 16.4 -15.1
7 Guerin Catholic (Noblesville) 3-3 14.9 14.9
8 Southridge (Huntingburg) 5-1 14.0 -11.2
9 Vincennes Lincoln (Vincennes) 4-2 11.1 -1.0
10 Western Boone (Thorntown) 5-1 9.7 -12.0
11 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton) 4-2 8.7 1.0
12 Lawrenceburg 5-1 7.9 -9.7
13 Yorktown 5-1 4.8 -5.5
14 South Dearborn (Aurora) 5-1 4.7 -11.0
15 Speedway 4-2 4.6 -7.0
16 Hanover Central (Cedar Lake) 6-0 4.2 -31.6
17 Tippecanoe Valley (Akron) 6-0 2.9 -29.9
18 West Noble (Ligonier) 5-1 1.1 -14.8
19 Danville 2-4 0.3 7.5
20 Charlestown 5-1 -0.6 -22.2
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6 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Calpreps 3A rankings this week:

Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L
1 Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Circle City 3A 4-2 2-1 (2nd) 1-0 29.1 20.5 20-14
WINS: #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (24-13), #2220 Guerin Catholic [St. Theodore] (Noblesville, IN) (31-30), #2330 Columbus North (Columbus, IN) (41-27), #9507 Arsenal Tech (Indianapolis, IN) (48-8), LOSSES: #157 Cathedral (Indianapolis, IN) (38-0), #255 Roncalli (Indianapolis, IN) (17-14)

 

2 Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Pocket - Big School 3A 6-0 2-0 (t 1st) 3-0 28.4 0.1 18-17
WINS: #1151 South Warren (Bowling Green, KY) (28-24), #2325 Southridge (Huntingburg, IN) (24-14), #2531 Terre Haute South Vigo (Terre Haute, IN) (27-20), #5367 Heritage Hills (Lincoln City, IN) (32-14), #8811 New Albany (IN) (45-7), #10568 Washington (IN) (57-20), LOSSES: none

 

3 West Lafayette (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Hoosier - West 3A 6-0 3-0 (1st) 1-0 25.0 -5.1 19-17
WINS: #1930 Harrison [William Henry] (West Lafayette, IN) (27-14), #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (47-18), #5337 Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) (52-21), #6605 McCutcheon (Lafayette, IN) (41-15), #8527 Rensselaer Central (Rensselaer, IN) (48-14), #9358 Benton Central (Oxford, IN) (55-0), LOSSES: none

 

4 Norwell (Ossian, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Northeast 8 3A 6-0 4-0 (t 1st) 2-0 21.7 -10.5 15-21
WINS: #3873 Leo (IN) (27-0), #5225 East Noble (Kendallville, IN) (45-0), #6105 Mississinewa (Gas City, IN) (22-7), #7237 New Haven (IN) (59-7), #7323 Heritage (Monroeville, IN) (42-0), #11861 Bellmont (Decatur, IN) (48-0), LOSSES: none



 

5 Owen Valley (Spencer, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Western Indiana - Gold 3A 6-0 4-0 (1st) 1-0 16.4 -15.1 17-19
WINS: #3553 Northview (Brazil, IN) (28-7), #4578 Sullivan (IN) (40-32), #5434 South Putnam (Greencastle, IN) (57-34), #5732 Indian Creek (Trafalgar, IN) (41-39), #11094 Edgewood (Ellettsville, IN) (57-7), #13578 Brown County (Nashville, IN) (77-7), LOSSES: none

 

6 Oak Hill (Converse, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Central Indiana 3A 6-0 4-0 (1st) 0-0 16.4 -12.4 22-14
WINS: #6105 Mississinewa (Gas City, IN) (45-22), #6709 Madison-Grant (Fairmount, IN) (35-6), #6915 Eastbrook (Marion, IN) (35-0), #7210 Southwood (Wabash, IN) (58-7), #8861 Frankton (IN) (40-0), #9045 Eastern (Greentown, IN) (41-3), LOSSES: none

 

7 Guerin Catholic [St. Theodore] (Noblesville, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Circle City 3A 3-3 0-3 (4th) 0-1 14.9 14.9 22-13
WINS: #4559 Heritage Christian (Indianapolis, IN) (35-21), #5337 Lafayette Central Catholic (Lafayette, IN) (47-10), #6605 McCutcheon (Lafayette, IN) (45-21), LOSSES: #255 Roncalli (Indianapolis, IN) (49-10), #826 Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN) (31-30), #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (28-7)

 

8 Southridge (Huntingburg, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Pocket - Small School 3A 5-1 3-0 (t 1st) 2-1 14.0 -11.2 17-19
WINS: #3681 Boonville (IN) (13-0), #5376 North Posey (Poseyville, IN) (49-0), #9781 Tell City (IN) (34-6), #10568 Washington (IN) (38-7), #12690 Pike Central (Petersburg, IN) (53-0), LOSSES: #868 Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN) (24-14)

 

9 Lincoln (Vincennes, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Southern Indiana 3A 4-2 4-2 (t 2nd) 0-0 11.1 -1 16-20
WINS: #2968 Mater Dei (Evansville, IN) (31-28), #7012 Harrison [William Henry] (Evansville, IN) (42-7), #8866 Bosse (Evansville, IN) (40-0), #9528 Evansville Central (Evansville, IN) (55-6), LOSSES: #924 Reitz [F. J.] (Evansville, IN) (31-28), #3124 Castle (Newburgh, IN) (35-21)

 

10 Western Boone (Thorntown, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 5-1 3-1 (t 2nd) 2-1 9.7 -12 18-18
WINS: #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (44-22), #5990 North Montgomery (Crawfordsville, IN) (35-8), #6975 Sheridan (IN) (35-12), #10086 Crawfordsville (IN) (49-0), #12305 Frankfort (IN) (56-6), LOSSES: #3111 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) (41-34)

 

11 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 4-2 3-1 (t 2nd) 2-0 8.7 1 18-17
WINS: #2955 Western Boone (Thorntown, IN) (41-34), #4465 Western (Russiaville, IN) (20-14), #4780 Danville (IN) (24-21), #12305 Frankfort (IN) (55-6), LOSSES: #995 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep (Indianapolis, IN) (36-8), #2985 Lebanon (IN) (21-14)

 

12 Lawrenceburg (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Eastern Indiana - Legends 3A 5-1 1-1 (3rd) 3-0 7.9 -9.7 16-20
WINS: #8005 Batesville (IN) (37-0), #8227 Taylor (Cleves, OH) (27-8), #8276 Franklin County (Brookville, IN) (28-0), #9175 Milan (IN) (49-12), #9413 Greensburg (IN) (55-0), LOSSES: #647 East Central (St. Leon, IN) (38-3)

 

13 Yorktown (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Hoosier Heritage 3A 5-1 3-1 (t 2nd) 1-0 4.8 -5.5 16-20
WINS: #5513 Delta (Muncie, IN) (35-21), #7443 New Castle (IN) (25-19), #8347 Anderson (IN) (20-0), #9169 Muncie Central (Muncie, IN) (27-7), #10209 Shelbyville (IN) (42-0), LOSSES: #183 New Palestine (IN) (50-13)

 

14 South Dearborn (Aurora, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Eastern Indiana - Leaders 3A 5-1 2-0 (1st) 3-0 4.7 -11 16-20
WINS: #7130 Connersville (IN) (33-14), #8005 Batesville (IN) (42-7), #9238 Madison (IN) (15-12), #9413 Greensburg (IN) (62-15), #10576 Jennings County (North Vernon, IN) (28-0), LOSSES: #647 East Central (St. Leon, IN) (48-6)

 

15 Speedway (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Indiana Crossroads 3A 4-2 2-2 (4th) 1-0 4.6 -7 18-17
WINS: #7130 Connersville (IN) (41-7), #7128 Monrovia (IN) (41-16), #7166 Covenant Christian (Indianapolis, IN) (41-0), #9714 Cardinal Ritter (Indianapolis, IN) (49-0), LOSSES: #1988 Scecina Memorial (Indianapolis, IN) (28-7), #5442 Beech Grove (IN) (51-35)

 

16 Hanover Central (Cedar Lake, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Greater South Shore - South 3A 6-0 1-0 (2nd) 3-0 4.2 -31.6 9-27
WINS: #8357 Culver Academies (Culver, IN) (44-6), #9725 Griffith (IN) (47-7), #10025 River Forest (Hobart, IN) (35-0), #12177 East Chicago Central (East Chicago, IN) (63-6), #12199 Boone Grove (Valparaiso, IN) (55-7), #12414 Morton (Hammond, IN) (37-0), LOSSES: none

 

17 Tippecanoe Valley (Akron, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Three Rivers 3A 6-0 5-0 (t 1st) 1-0 2.9 -29.9 11-25
WINS: #5232 Rochester (IN) (26-17), #8960 Wawasee (Syracuse, IN) (26-0), #8975 Northfield (Wabash, IN) (49-19), #10262 Peru (IN) (41-22), #12999 Manchester (North Manchester, IN) (43-13), #13689 Whitko (South Whitley, IN) (60-6), LOSSES: none

 

18 West Noble (Ligonier, IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Northeast Corner - Big 3A 5-1 2-1 (2nd) 2-0 1.1 -14.8 15-21
WINS: #5053 Eastside (Butler, IN) (28-27), #7550 Fairfield (Goshen, IN) (33-7), #8960 Wawasee (Syracuse, IN) (35-24), #10520 Garrett (IN) (40-14), #10643 Central Noble (Albion, IN) (33-7), LOSSES: #4186 Angola (IN) (26-7)

 

19 Danville (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Sagamore 3A 2-4 2-2 (5th) 1-1 0.3 7.5 25-11
WINS: #2985 Lebanon (IN) (14-13), #10086 Crawfordsville (IN) (49-6), LOSSES: #1092 Mooresville (IN) (38-17), #1172 Franklin (IN) (42-14), #3111 Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) (24-21), #4263 Southmont (Crawfordsville, IN) (28-14)

 

20 Charlestown (IN)   team preview   trend Indiana Mid-Southern 3A 5-1 4-0 (1st) 2-0 -0.6 -22.2 17-18
WINS: #7666 Brownstown Central (Brownstown, IN) (30-13), #8563 North Harrison (Ramsey, IN) (39-13), #9984 Clarksville (IN) (43-21), #10341 Silver Creek (Sellersburg, IN) (44-13), #13137 Scottsburg (IN) (52-13), LOSSES: #4585 Providence (Clarksville, IN) (35-28)

Cal Preps seems to be putting a lot of weight on the BJ win for Chatard.  More than the South Warren win fo r GS and the WL Harrison win for West Lafayette.

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1 hour ago, Just a dad said:

@fenderbenderDoes CalPreps also weight for loses because I would think that losing to Roncalli and Cathedral probably help much more given those two teams schedules ad records.

Don't know for sure, but one would assume they do.

My comment has more to do with me trying to understand why BJ and where they fit in 4A.   Harrison is a pretty solid program (Roncalli played them two years ago) and SW seems to be a pretty strong program in KY.  

I have mixed opinions about everyone they have taking snaps on the roster and seem to be pretty suspect running the ball.    

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8 hours ago, roaringthunderdlr said:

I can only see four teams winning state.

Chatard

WL

GS

Norwell

I would include Vincennes And Tri west for the south.  
 

Owen Valley also still undefeated but idk if I think they could get over any of the 3 north teams you mentioned 

 

also Guerin can’t be overlooked considering how much of a fight they gave Chatard.  

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10 hours ago, roaringthunderdlr said:

I can only see four teams winning state.

Chatard

WL

GS

Norwell

 

2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I would include Vincennes And Tri west for the south.  
 

Owen Valley also still undefeated but idk if I think they could get over any of the 3 north teams you mentioned 

 

also Guerin can’t be overlooked considering how much of a fight they gave Chatard.  

I would also agree about Guerin being in the conversation unless there's some data that shows that Chatard played their JV to let the varsity heal up, some key Chatard playmaker being out or hampered, or something similar. 

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Just curious: Is there a reason that the IHSAA doesn’t just have all teams play everyone in their Section plus two or three other games then take the regular season winner from each sectional based solely on their record within the sectional? Would’t it allow for rivalry games to still happen but then also let the actual winer off each sectional to be the team with the best head-to-head sectional title? I actually like the current system because it lets even the worst team believe with the right draw they can at least make their sectional final. The only teams that seem to have trouble with it are teams that get a tough first round draw (totally understand that as well). Thanks for the info.

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52 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

Just curious: Is there a reason that the IHSAA doesn’t just have all teams play everyone in their Section plus two or three other games then take the regular season winner from each sectional based solely on their record within the sectional? Would’t it allow for rivalry games to still happen but then also let the actual winer off each sectional to be the team with the best head-to-head sectional title? I actually like the current system because it lets even the worst team believe with the right draw they can at least make their sectional final. The only teams that seem to have trouble with it are teams that get a tough first round draw (totally understand that as well). Thanks for the info.

Because we have conferences with decades of tradition.....some of us old dudes like tradition.

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Just went over to CalPreps and looked at the State and National SOS for those schools that are still undefeated.

Team            State          National

WL.               181.              9087

GS.               103.              4866

OH.              202.              9947

OV.               231.             10910

HC.              260.             11952

Of that group, GS looks like the most likely candidate since it would appear that they have faced the toughest challenges by a wide margin.

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16 minutes ago, Just a dad said:

Just went over to CalPreps and looked at the State and National SOS for those schools that are still undefeated.

Team            State          National

WL.               181.              9087

GS.               103.              4866

OH.              202.              9947

OV.               231.             10910

HC.              260.             11952

Of that group, GS looks like the most likely candidate since it would appear that they have faced the toughest challenges by a wide margin.

Very interesting.  Although I don't get too caught up in SOS.

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For additional comparison,

Guerin is 23 State and 1147 National 

Chatard is 17 State and 293 National

Western Boone is 108 State and 5104 National

Lawrenceburg is 122 State and 5906 National

Norwell is 133 State and 6185 National 

Other than the two Catholic school outliers (whose SoS benefits from playing both playing each other, Roncalli and Brebeuf. Chatard also played Cathedral, Cincinnati Elder #4 D1 school in Ohio and Christian Brother’s Academy #2 6A school in MO. Guerin also played East Central) the top 8 seem to be pretty evenly matched in their opponents strength. 

 

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15 hours ago, Just a dad said:

For additional comparison,

Guerin is 23 State and 1147 National 

Chatard is 17 State and 293 National

Western Boone is 108 State and 5104 National

Lawrenceburg is 122 State and 5906 National

Norwell is 133 State and 6185 National 

Other than the two Catholic school outliers (whose SoS benefits from playing both playing each other, Roncalli and Brebeuf. Chatard also played Cathedral, Cincinnati Elder #4 D1 school in Ohio and Christian Brother’s Academy #2 6A school in MO. Guerin also played East Central) the top 8 seem to be pretty evenly matched in their opponents strength. 

 

Chatard certainly plays an incredibly tough schedule…I just don’t know if I really take that much away from it. 
 

i mean…in 2015 a Chatard team that won 3A state going 12-3 was nearly beat by Gibson Southern.  If not for the ice that caused like 9 turnovers for GS that game, Chatard would have lost to a team who played an SOS that wasn’t even in the top 200 of the state.

 

SoS matters and it doesn’t.  GS certainly has spent the last 4 years trying to improve their schedule and it has showed…but at the same time sometimes teams just have the dudes and it doesn’t matter who they played.

 

i think Owen Valley has a chance to be that team.  Very balanced very dominant….lots of seniors.  They have a tough path of course but they certainly are a team where you can’t just dismiss them because of their SoS 

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14 minutes ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

SoS matters and it doesn’t.  GS certainly has spent the last 4 years trying to improve their schedule and it has showed…but at the same time sometimes teams just have the dudes and it doesn’t matter who they played.

Agree with everything you said.  I think higher strength of schedule is definitely a benefit in a vacuum.  Playing better competition and having to win tough games will help you when you get in that situation during the playoffs, all else equal. 

But I think you also run the risk of more injuries and you may come out of it worse than when you started, especially for 3A schools who don't have the same depth as 5/6A schools.  I know Chatard has several starters out right now, although not sure for how long, but that could prove to be a negative of playing the schedule they did.

But at the end of the day, it's about the dudes, like you said.  If you've got the dudes, it doesn't really matter who you've played. 2015 GS team is a perfect example.  They had the dudes and Chatard's strength of schedule would have made no difference.  The only thing that could have stopped that team from beating Chatard was an act of God, which is why I'm grateful we are a Catholic school (only kidding, tons of respect of GS and know that outcome would have been different).

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12 minutes ago, TheDoctor22 said:

Agree with everything you said.  I think higher strength of schedule is definitely a benefit in a vacuum.  Playing better competition and having to win tough games will help you when you get in that situation during the playoffs, all else equal. 

But I think you also run the risk of more injuries and you may come out of it worse than when you started, especially for 3A schools who don't have the same depth as 5/6A schools.  I know Chatard has several starters out right now, although not sure for how long, but that could prove to be a negative of playing the schedule they did.

But at the end of the day, it's about the dudes, like you said.  If you've got the dudes, it doesn't really matter who you've played. 2015 GS team is a perfect example.  They had the dudes and Chatard's strength of schedule would have made no difference.  The only thing that could have stopped that team from beating Chatard was an act of God, which is why I'm grateful we are a Catholic school (only kidding, tons of respect of GS and know that outcome would have been different).

I jokingly think back to then and question how God was on your side when the 2015 team had a QB who was committed to going to seminary school in Rome and the team got in trouble for praying on the field after games lol 

Father might not play favorites but Mother Nature sure does 😂😉

 

in all seriousness…I would love to see Chatard and GS schedule each other in the regular season.  It’s been 7 years of wanting to get a rematch with Chatard but no dice.  Maybe if we are lucky both teams can get 5 more wins in a row over the next month. 

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Calpreps projections are in:

3A PLAYOFFS
Batesville (IN) at Centerville (IN), 7:00pm   
[projection: Batesville (IN) 24-17]
Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN) at Northwestern (Kokomo, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Bishop Chatard (Indianapolis, IN) 58-0]
Boone Grove (Valparaiso, IN) at Calumet (Gary, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Calumet (Gary, IN) 40-12]
Concordia Lutheran (Fort Wayne, IN) at Woodlan (Woodburn, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Concordia Lutheran (Fort Wayne, IN) 28-22]
Scottsburg (IN) at Corydon Central (Corydon, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Corydon Central (Corydon, IN) 31-21]
Bellmont (Decatur, IN) at Garrett (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Garrett (IN) 34-7]
Lincoln (Vincennes, IN) at Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Gibson Southern (Fort Branch, IN) 35-21]
Fairfield (Goshen, IN) at Glenn (Walkerton, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Glenn [John] (Walkerton, IN) 21-14]
Greensburg (IN) at Rushville (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Greensburg (IN) 40-27]
Griffith (IN) at River Forest (Hobart, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Griffith (IN) 24-20]
Hamilton Heights (Arcadia, IN) at Maconaquah (Bunker Hill, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Hamilton Heights (Arcadia, IN) 40-12]
Hanover Central (Cedar Lake, IN) at Rensselaer Central (Rensselaer, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Hanover Central (Cedar Lake, IN) 40-13]
Madison (IN) at Heritage Hills (Lincoln City, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Heritage Hills (Lincoln City, IN) 31-17]
Indian Creek (Trafalgar, IN) at Franklin County (Brookville, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Indian Creek (Trafalgar, IN) 28-26]
Clay (South Bend, IN) at Jimtown (Elkhart, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Jimtown (Elkhart, IN) 62-0]
Lakeland (LaGrange, IN) at Knox (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Knox (IN) 42-21]
Lawrenceburg (IN) at South Dearborn (Aurora, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Lawrenceburg (IN) 31-14]
Monrovia (IN) at Purdue Poly (Indianapolis, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Monrovia (IN) 44-7]
Norwell (Ossian, IN) at Heritage (Monroeville, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Norwell (Ossian, IN) 42-7]
Guerin Catholic (Noblesville, IN) at Oak Hill (Converse, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Oak Hill (Converse, IN) 28-27]
Owen Valley (Spencer, IN) at Mt. Vernon (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Owen Valley (Spencer, IN) 35-22]
North Harrison (Ramsey, IN) at Southridge (Huntingburg, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Southridge (Huntingburg, IN) 34-7]
Speedway (IN) at North Montgomery (Crawfordsville, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Speedway (IN) 21-17]
Tippecanoe Valley (Akron, IN) at Peru (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Tippecanoe Valley (Akron, IN) 42-12]
Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) at Danville (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Tri-West Hendricks (Lizton, IN) 28-14]
Washington (IN) at Pike Central (Petersburg, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Washington (IN) 28-24]
Twin Lakes (Monticello, IN) at West Lafayette (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: West Lafayette (IN) 62-0]
Marian (Mishawaka, IN) at West Noble (Ligonier, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: West Noble (Ligonier, IN) 31-14]
Princeton (IN) at West Vigo (West Terre Haute, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: West Vigo (West Terre Haute, IN) 31-21]
Western Boone (Thorntown, IN) at Crawfordsville (IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Western Boone (Thorntown, IN) 48-6]
Yorktown (IN) at Delta (Muncie, IN), 7:00pm   [projection: Yorktown (IN) 28-21]

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1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I jokingly think back to then and question how God was on your side when the 2015 team had a QB who was committed to going to seminary school in Rome and the team got in trouble for praying on the field after games lol 

Father might not play favorites but Mother Nature sure does 😂😉

 

in all seriousness…I would love to see Chatard and GS schedule each other in the regular season.  It’s been 7 years of wanting to get a rematch with Chatard but no dice.  Maybe if we are lucky both teams can get 5 more wins in a row over the next month. 

Not to mention there are probably more Catholics on GS team (or HH for that matter) than Chatard's.....sorry, couldn't pass on that one, all the Chatard folks don't get too wadded up...

Everybody wants Bama, until they get Bama.  We have had a bunch of close heartbreakers with Chatard over the years and just one win.  Frankly, it doesn't bother me at all when they are in 4A, makes 3A more interesting.  Be careful what you wish for.  Playing Chatard in the regular season and the postseason are 2 different animals.

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2 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

i mean…in 2015 a Chatard team that won 3A state going 12-3 was nearly beat by Gibson Southern.  If not for the ice that caused like 9 turnovers for GS that game, Chatard would have lost to a team who played an SOS that wasn’t even in the top 200 of the state.

Maybe playing a tougher schedule better prepares a team to handle adversity, whether it be the opponent or bad weather. What is that line I see on here sometimes about ifs and buts being my aunt's candies and nuts and my uncle having a wonderful Christmas?  

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