Muda69 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/readers/2024/05/13/steroid-use-is-still-a-major-issue-in-schools-we-need-to-confront-it/73526479007/ Quote In Indiana, our sense of community and shared values are the bedrock of our Hoosier identity. However, a concerning trend threatens our youth — the rise in performance-enhancing drug use. This issue not only jeopardizes individual health but also undermines the fabric of our communities. From classrooms to football fields, the allure of PEDs has seeped into the lives of our youth, posing a significant threat to our collective well-being. Shockingly, one study showed 12% of boys reported using products to enhance appearance, muscle mass or strength. These statistics demand our immediate attention and action. By prioritizing comprehensive education and prevention efforts, we can empower our youth to resist the pressures of PED use. Initiatives such as the Indiana Department of Education's "Healthy Schools" program and community-based organizations provide valuable resources for intervention. Throughout my years in high school and my undergraduate studies as a biology major, I've witnessed peers fall prey to the allure of performance-enhancing drugs. It's imperative that we raise awareness and advocate for further research on this issue. As proud Hoosiers, it's our responsibility to confront this issue head-on and protect the future of our community. Together, let's stand united in our commitment to safeguarding our Hoosier identity and ensuring the wellbeing of generations to come. Elias Kessilyas is from Carmel. Is this really that bad of a problem in Indiana? What can be done to prevent it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a dad Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I’d be willing to bet that most kids are referring to creatine and weight gainers. When asking kids if they use anything to enhance their appearance that leaves a lot to interpretation. “12% of boys reported using products to enhance appearance, muscle mass or strength” vs “12% of boys reported using steroids” would have been more in line with the clickbait headline. The author clearly doesn’t know the difference. And he refers to “one study” for his data set. A quick peek at his LinkedIn says he has “research experience”. This article might be the full extent of that experience. This is the actual cited reference from the article “According to a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the prevalence of PED use among high school athletes in the United States ranged from 2.7% to 4.0%, depending on the specific sport.6 Another study found that 8% of girls and 12% of boys used products to improve appearance, muscle mass, or strength, and 3.3% of high school students admitted to using steroids.7 “3.3% of high school athletes admitted to using steroids” is the actual number. This is the cited study: Dandoy C, Gereige RS. Performance-enhancing drugs. Pediatr Rev. Jun 2012;33(6):265-71; quiz 271-2. doi:10.1542/pir.33-6-265 It’s from 2012. Not sure that it qualifies as “still a major issue”. Why did I waste my time going down this rabbit hole? I must be bored out of my skull this morning. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 25 minutes ago, Just a dad said: I’d be willing to bet that most kids are referring to creatine and weight gainers. When asking kids if they use anything to enhance their appearance that leaves a lot to interpretation. “12% of boys reported using products to enhance appearance, muscle mass or strength” vs “12% of boys reported using steroids” would have been more in line with the clickbait headline. The author clearly doesn’t know the difference. And he refers to “one study” for his data set. A quick peek at his LinkedIn says he has “research experience”. This article might be the full extent of that experience. This is the actual cited reference from the article “According to a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the prevalence of PED use among high school athletes in the United States ranged from 2.7% to 4.0%, depending on the specific sport.6 Another study found that 8% of girls and 12% of boys used products to improve appearance, muscle mass, or strength, and 3.3% of high school students admitted to using steroids.7 “3.3% of high school athletes admitted to using steroids” is the actual number. This is the cited study: Dandoy C, Gereige RS. Performance-enhancing drugs. Pediatr Rev. Jun 2012;33(6):265-71; quiz 271-2. doi:10.1542/pir.33-6-265 It’s from 2012. Not sure that it qualifies as “still a major issue”. Why did I waste my time going down this rabbit hole? I must be bored out of my skull this morning. Thank you for your post. When I read the original article, I thought the exact same. Is the author referencing steroids, or are they grouping in products such as protein supplements, creatine, etc.? Appreciate the data you shared. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) This is a letter to the editor. Please don't click on the link...it just encourages the Star to do more of this. I agree on all points from Just a Dad. The headline was likely generated by IndyStar and not the letter writer. The cited study does not state 12% use steroids, that 12% includes MANY over the counter, legal supplements and stimulants (would I recommend the use of all these "legal" products to an athlete...No)...and it appears the headline purposely misconstrues this data to generate clicks. Also, the 3.3% of athletes that "USE STEROIDS"????...It comes from this question on the survey: "In relation to steroid use, the survey asks if the teenager “ever took steroid pills or shots without a doctor’s prescription one or more time during their life.” Should kids being doing this....hard No. But taking a single dose of Prednisone off label one time in your life, is NOT what most of us would consider a "user of steroids". This study and the accompanying letter to the editor are perfect examples of how any "scientific study" can be crafted to get the data you want...and then any "news" article can then cite that study and create a headline to influence the minds of suburban moms everywhere (no offense to my wife who is, in fact, a suburban mom).😁 Edited May 14 by US31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Draper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 19 hours ago, Muda69 said: https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/readers/2024/05/13/steroid-use-is-still-a-major-issue-in-schools-we-need-to-confront-it/73526479007/ Is this really that bad of a problem in Indiana? What can be done to prevent it? OMG!!! This is a big problem in College football!!! 😡 My son told me that a lot of the boys on his team last fall were using performance enhancing drugs!!! 💪 Someone told the Athletic Director and he decided to drug test the team! 👏 👏 👏 But then one of the upperclassmen found out about it! He was the best defensive player on my son's team, a big strong linebacker!!! 💪 💪 💪 The night before the drug tests, this upperclassman had the other players on the team do something called an oil change!! My son wouldn't tell me what that means, but he said it helps you pass a drug test even if you've been using drugs!!! 😱 The team must have passed the drug tests because no one got in any trouble!!! 🙈 🙉 🙊 Edited May 14 by Lucy Draper a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Draper Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, Lucy Draper said: OMG!!! This is a big problem in College football!!! 😡 My son told me that a lot of the boys on his team last fall were using performance enhancing drugs!!! 💪 Someone told the Athletic Director and he decided to drug test the team! 👏 👏 👏 But then one of the upperclassmen found out about it! He was the best defensive player on my son's team, a big strong linebacker!!! 💪 💪 💪 The night before the drug tests, this upperclassman had the other players on the team do something called an oil change!! My son wouldn't tell me what that means, but he said it helps you pass a drug test even if you've been using drugs!!! 😱 The team must have passed the drug tests because no one got in any trouble!!! 🙈 🙉 🙊 I should add that my son plays for one of the best college football teams in the USA!!! 🐐 🐐 🐐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 57 minutes ago, US31 said: any "scientific study" can be crafted to get the data you want I get your point, and it’s a valid one. But to truly be a “scientific” study, the outcome cannot predetermined. Conclusions go where the data lead them. Calling this “scientific “ gives it more credence than it deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Just a dad said: I’d be willing to bet that most kids are referring to creatine and weight gainers. When asking kids if they use anything to enhance their appearance that leaves a lot to interpretation. “12% of boys reported using products to enhance appearance, muscle mass or strength” vs “12% of boys reported using steroids” would have been more in line with the clickbait headline. The author clearly doesn’t know the difference. And he refers to “one study” for his data set. A quick peek at his LinkedIn says he has “research experience”. This article might be the full extent of that experience. This is the actual cited reference from the article “According to a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the prevalence of PED use among high school athletes in the United States ranged from 2.7% to 4.0%, depending on the specific sport.6 Another study found that 8% of girls and 12% of boys used products to improve appearance, muscle mass, or strength, and 3.3% of high school students admitted to using steroids.7 “3.3% of high school athletes admitted to using steroids” is the actual number. This is the cited study: Dandoy C, Gereige RS. Performance-enhancing drugs. Pediatr Rev. Jun 2012;33(6):265-71; quiz 271-2. doi:10.1542/pir.33-6-265 It’s from 2012. Not sure that it qualifies as “still a major issue”. Why did I waste my time going down this rabbit hole? I must be bored out of my skull this morning. Zero percent chance there are 12% of kids using steroids lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 what a bs study. here is a small list of things that would qualify for "enhance appearance, muscle mass, or strength". 1. hair gel 2. anything you can buy at gnc whoever wrote this should be shunned from society for intentionally misleading people 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 SARMS are what is big right now with HS athletes. Like anything else, these kids are in real danger of getting counterfeit products online that could negatively impact their health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachMack219 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 38 minutes ago, US31 said: This study and the accompanying letter to the editor are perfect examples of how any "scientific study" can be crafted to get the data you want...and then any "news" article can then cite that study and create a headline to influence the minds of suburban moms everywhere (no offense to my wife who is, in fact, a suburban mom).😁 I agree TOTALLY that this study is outdated and irrelevant to the headline created by said media outlet (IndyStar). However, I do feel it's dangerous (because of society's insistence that they/ we know more than the experts in *insert any field of study here*) to suggest that "any 'scientific study' can be crafted to get the data you want," due to the fact that ACTUAL researchers (not whatever this guy was/ claims to be) take the time to minimize bias and the skewing of results in their studies. Even this not so great study that this letter to the editor references are not "alarming numbers" and the data (as @Just a dad pointed out kindly) CLEARLY indicates/ explains how their study was conducted, what the results were. The problem there is that people have to read (and know how to) in order to understand WHAT the study says/ studied, and A LOT of folks won't go through that effort and thus, the headline wins... I truly believe the REAL PROBLEM, as you pointed out, is the misleading headline, writing, and publishing of a "letter to the editor" article that references data that is 12 years old (well outside of the appropriate mark for quality research) by a newspaper/ publication that (I assume) many on this forum either read, have read, respect, or have respected previously. 53 minutes ago, Bobref said: I get your point, and it’s a valid one. But to truly be a “scientific” study, the outcome cannot predetermined. Conclusions go where the data lead them. Calling this “scientific “ gives it more credence than it deserves. This is essentially my point above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachMack219 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 45 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said: Zero percent chance there are 12% of kids using steroids lol 12% using various legal supplements, sure... 12% using the illegal juice, NO SHOT. If so, I'd have won A LOT more games (or so I'd like to believe). 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqbcoach1 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said: 12% using various legal supplements, sure... 12% using the illegal juice, NO SHOT. If so, I'd have won A LOT more games (or so I'd like to believe). 😂 I actually think... "12% using various legal supplements" is probably a low number. I know for a fact, it would be for ours. 47 minutes ago, Rodney said: what a bs study. here is a small list of things that would qualify for "enhance appearance, muscle mass, or strength". 1. hair gel 2. anything you can buy at gnc whoever wrote this should be shunned from society for intentionally misleading people Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFran Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 A PLACE AT THE TABLE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US31 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Bobref said: I get your point, and it’s a valid one. But to truly be a “scientific” study, the outcome cannot predetermined. Conclusions go where the data lead them. Calling this “scientific “ gives it more credence than it deserves. note that I put "scientific study" in those quotation thingy's👍🍻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen Tundra Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 10 hours ago, Lucy Draper said: I should add that my son plays for one of the best college football teams in the USA!!! 🐐 🐐 🐐 Bowling Green??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Give me a case of Zimas and some boner pills and I’ll show you performance enhancement. I swear to God I will 1 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Mathers Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I don't believe steroid use is this rampant lol.. there may be some outliers, but there is no way it's more than 1%. Unless mom and dad are buying it for them, or they are getting it from their local gym dealer, I feel it would be too costly/hard to get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 22 hours ago, Donnie Baker said: Give me a case of Zimas and some boner pills and I’ll show you performance enhancement. I swear to God I will legend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Baker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Since Mudas opened another can of worms what schools had a juice reputation back in the days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCFan1996 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 5/14/2024 at 8:13 PM, Frozen Tundra said: Bowling Green??? Blue Mountain State! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 21 hours ago, PCFan1996 said: Blue Mountain State! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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