6A Tournament Discussion

[Boilernation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Crown Point goes does no worse than 7-2 with an all Indy schedule this year, maybe 9-0. Keep the receipt. It's a shame we won't get to see Elkhart vs, let's say, a Noblesville or Zionsville. 

I chuckle at the 5-4 and 6-3 guarantees as someone who has lived in the HCC blue print for the past 25 years. Does Komet look at the schedule and assume that’s the case or has he actually watched Crown Point this year? They have a solid offensive scheme and multiple 6’2-6’4 LB/TE who will be playing D1 football. And a 4 year starter at QB who is also going D1. They are a tier 1 HCC team with a very good offense that can control clock.
 

Their weakness is the same as last year: no elite speed in the secondary or at WR, which will kill you against BD or LN’s of the world. Brownsburg, Fishers or Westfield could probably exploit the CP secondary, but I don’t think any one of them are stopping CP’s offense. 
 

I’ve seen enough of Carrol that I’ll take CP by about 7-10. CP vs Westfield or Fishers is a close game just like last year. 

Edited November 9, 2024 by Boilernation

[BTF]

15 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

I chuckle at the 5-4 and 6-3 guarantees as someone who has lived in the HCC blue print for the past 25 years. Does Komet look at the schedule and assume that’s the case or has he actually watched Crown Point this year? They have a solid offensive scheme and multiple 6’2-6’4 LB/TE who will be playing D1 football. And a 4 year starter at QB who is also going D1. They are a tier 1 HCC team with a very good offense that can control clock.
 

Their weakness is the same as last year: no elite speed in the secondary or at WR, which will kill you against BD or LN’s of the world. Brownsburg, Fishers or Westfield could probably exploit the CP secondary, but I don’t think any one of them are stopping CP’s offense. 
 

I’ve seen enough of Carrol that I’ll take CP by about 7-10. CP vs Westfield or Fishers is a close game just like last year. 

To Komet's defense, he's not the only one predicting 6-3 or 5-4 with an Indy schedule. A lot of that has come from Central Indiana themselves. I agree with you on this, Crown Point is solid, well, more than solid. They proved that when they played Westfield last season. Yet, here they are, still being doubted. 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Got to call you out on this my friend. Westfield is the real deal. For you to dismiss them against Crown Point is fools gold, especially having to go to Westfield. I am not sold one bit on CP being a great team. Good team, yes. Playing an Indy schedule, 5-4, maybe 6-3. Speed kills when only one team has it, like CP does against the opponents they play currently. Beating a down Penn team 35-0, ho hum. Hell, when Snider best Elkhart last week it told me all I needed to know about the strength of all the teams in the upper North. Concord getting beat by Warsaw only reinforces that. Having watched a bit of the HSE/Fishers game, I got Fishers ahead of CP

Not sure you’ll convince me Crown Point has more speed than Merrillville, or even Valpo for that matter.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Crown Point goes does no worse than 7-2 with an all Indy schedule this year, maybe 9-0. Keep the receipt. It's a shame we won't get to see Elkhart vs, let's say, a Noblesville or Zionsville. 

You’re wrong every November about this it seems.

[temptation]

13 minutes ago, BTF said:

To Komet's defense, he's not the only one predicting 6-3 or 5-4 with an Indy schedule. A lot of that has come from Central Indiana themselves. I agree with you on this, Crown Point is solid, well, more than solid. They proved that when they played Westfield last season. Yet, here they are, still being doubted. 

This is a fun exercise, but the problem lies in the fact that it’s the week to week grind of the HCC schedule that lends itself to 6-3.

I mean, look at Fishers and Hamilton Southeastern. They got up for games against Brownsburg and then were beaten by Franklin Central.

If you view each contest in a vacuum, I can get to 7-2 on Crown Point but there are no Portage, Lake Central or LaPorte teams in the HCC.

If you haven’t learned this by now, I’m not sure what else I can tell you.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

Crown Point goes does no worse than 7-2 with an all Indy schedule this year, maybe 9-0. Keep the receipt. It's a shame we won't get to see Elkhart vs, let's say, a Noblesville or Zionsville. 

Who has CP beaten? Penn? Mishawaka? Elkhart? None of those teams are legit this year and you know it. Elkhart was bad, joke of a schedule. Concord was beaten by an average Warsaw team, at home. Penn, well, I will let our Penn friends tell you about their team. 

[danomyte]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Not sure you’ll convince me Crown Point has more speed than Merrillville, or even Valpo for that matter.

The end results were the same..

 

CP has a couple stats that are pretty incredible this year even for playing a north schedule... 11 games, 11 running clocks... A team usually had an off game somewhere even if they didn't lose it would be a closer score but it hasn't happened. When was the last time Penn had a running clock against them? Most of the games this season the running clocks were the entire second half. Their defense is smothering opponents and they have the offense to roll along. They have still only allowed 3 TD's by the first team defense all season. It's been incredible to watch and can't wait to see how they handle Carroll's pass attack. 

[RegionFBFan]

The Indy elitist attitude continues…

I love how CP just keeps rolling and getting a typical passive aggressive respect from the Indy elites.

Please keep underestimating them, I’m sure it helps motivate them.

CP rolls Carroll and will beat Westfield. 
 

I do agree that a team like LN will present a challenge to CP defense but LN won’t stop CP offense either.

[temptation]

18 minutes ago, danomyte said:

The end results were the same..

 

CP has a couple stats that are pretty incredible this year even for playing a north schedule... 11 games, 11 running clocks... A team usually had an off game somewhere even if they didn't lose it would be a closer score but it hasn't happened. When was the last time Penn had a running clock against them? Most of the games this season the running clocks were the entire second half. Their defense is smothering opponents and they have the offense to roll along. They have still only allowed 3 TD's by the first team defense all season. It's been incredible to watch and can't wait to see how they handle Carroll's pass attack. 

Not saying they weren’t.  Just not believing that speed was the difference maker in those games.

I’m not penciling in Lawrence North in the state title game just yet because they have a tough road but I’m warning folks that if Crown Point does make it…this edition of Lawrence North is faster than last year’s Ben Davis team…

 

11 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

The Indy elitist attitude continues…

I love how CP just keeps rolling and getting a typical passive aggressive respect from the Indy elites.

Please keep underestimating them, I’m sure it helps motivate them.

CP rolls Carroll and will beat Westfield. 
 

I do agree that a team like LN will present a challenge to CP defense but LN won’t stop CP offense either.

Please stop.

1.  You can’t blame people for having paws because the history of 5A/6A football in this state speaks for itself.  We hear this November.  Crown Point’s schedule strength was in the 50s when the tournament started so please stop with the fake disrespect.

2.  If anyone from Crown Point is surfing this website for some sort of motivation, they’ve already lost.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[RegionFBFan]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Not saying they weren’t.  Just not believing that speed was the difference maker in those games.

I’m not penciling in Lawrence North in the state title game just yet because they have a tough road but I’m warning folks that if Crown Point does make it…this edition of Lawrence North is faster than last year’s Ben Davis team…

 

Please stop.

1.  You can’t blame people for having paws because the history of 5A/6A football in this state speaks for itself.  We hear this November.  Crown Point’s schedule strength was in the 50s when the tournament started so please stop with the fake disrespect.

2.  If anyone from Crown Point is surfing this website for some sort of motivation, they’ve already lost.

I will continue. It is just ridiculous the commentary from the Indy insiders. It’s just unfathomable that a team from the North is actually better the Indy. It’s hilarious to read it all season long. They just continue rolling and the skeptical commentary continues.

 

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

I will continue. It is just ridiculous the commentary from the Indy insiders. It’s just unfathomable that a team from the North is actually better the Indy. It’s hilarious to read it all season long. They just continue rolling and the skeptical commentary continues.

 

 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

This is a fun exercise, but the problem lies in the fact that it’s the week to week grind of the HCC schedule that lends itself to 6-3.

I mean, look at Fishers and Hamilton Southeastern. They got up for games against Brownsburg and then were beaten by Franklin Central.

If you view each contest in a vacuum, I can get to 7-2 on Crown Point but there are no Portage, Lake Central or LaPorte teams in the HCC.

If you haven’t learned this by now, I’m not sure what else I can tell you.

I can kind of get on board with this. But if Brownsburg and Westfield can get through the HCC with one loss, then I don't see why Crown Point can't. So let's say one loss is the ceiling for CP in the everyday grind to grind of the HCC, not two. 

One thing I've learned, is that last year's team doesn't determine how well this year's team does. For better or worse. 

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

I can kind of get on board with this. But if Brownsburg and Westfield can get through the HCC with one loss, then I don't see why Crown Point can't. So let's say one loss is the ceiling for CP in the everyday grind to grind of the HCC, not two. 

One thing I've learned, is that last year's team doesn't determine how well this year's team does. For better or worse. 

Crown Point’s best win (Merrillville) is the equivalent of HSE’s (the 3rd/4th best team in the HCC) worst loss (Franklin Central).

Merrillville and Franklin Central would be a pick em game in my opinion.

Let that sink in.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

55 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Who has CP beaten? Penn? Mishawaka? Elkhart? None of those teams are legit this year and you know it. Elkhart was bad, joke of a schedule. Concord was beaten by an average Warsaw team, at home. Penn, well, I will let our Penn friends tell you about their team. 

Crown Point didn't play Mishawaka or Elkhart this year. So let's roll with Penn, Valparaiso, and Merrillville. What is a legit program? Top 6 in the state? Okay. Can we agree that Penn(29) , Merrillville (10), and Valparaiso (39) are pretty good football teams?

Crown Point 46, Merrillville 13

Crown Point 41, Valparaiso 7

Crown Point 35, Penn 0

I'll concede that Crown Point would finish in the top half of the HCC with no way of knowing if they'd finish 1, 2, 3, or 4. I'll tell you what, I'll keep my opinion on CP's place in the HCC until after they dispose of Westfield for the second season in a row. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Crown Point’s best win (Merrillville) is the equivalent of HSE’s (the 3rd/4th best team in the HCC) worst loss (Franklin Central).

Let that sink in.

That proves nothing to me. Crown Point's blown out every opponent they've faced. 

[temptation]

1 minute ago, BTF said:

Crown Point didn't play Mishawaka or Elkhart this year. So let's roll with Penn, Valparaiso, and Merrillville. What is a legit program? Top 6 in the state? Okay. Can we agree that Penn(29) , Merrillville (10), and Valparaiso (39) are pretty good football teams?

Crown Point 46, Merrillville 13

Crown Point 41, Valparaiso 7

Crown Point 35, Penn 0

I'll concede that Crown Point would finish in the top half of the HCC with no way of knowing if they'd finish 1, 2, 3, or 4. I'll tell you what, I'll keep my opinion on CP's place in the HCC until after they dispose of Westfield for the second season in a row. 

Wait a second…NOW we are citing Sagarin?  You are too much man.

[BTF]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Wait a second…NOW we are citing Sagarin?  You are too much man.

Would you rather I cite your poll? I don't discriminate. I said ALL POLLS are pretend. 

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

Would you rather I cite your poll? I don't discriminate. I said ALL POLLS are pretend. 

You have been adamant all season that Sagarin is severely flawed and then wanna come in and cite it in an argument in which you are accusing me of picking and choosing when to use certain metrics when comparing teams.

I like you man, but that’s rich as hell.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

You have been adamant all season that Sagarin is severely flawed and then wanna come in and cite it in an argument in which you are accusing me of picking and choosing when to use certain metrics when comparing teams.

I like you man, but that’s rich as hell.

Lol, you guys LOVE Sagarin. That's the reason I used it. I'm trying to make a point. 

[BTF]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

You have been adamant all season that Sagarin is severely flawed and then wanna come in and cite it in an argument in which you are accusing me of picking and choosing when to use certain metrics when comparing teams.

I like you man, but that’s rich as hell.

Just simply come on here and apologize to me after Chatard beats New Pal. 

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, BTF said:

Just simply come on here and apologize to me after Chatard beats New Pal. 

LOL, bold prediction considering they are separated by 3 points on Sagarin…basically a pick em game when home field is accounted for.

Have em separated by 3 spots in my poll.

Now, if Chatard blows em out?  Sure.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

LOL, bold prediction considering they are separated by 3 points on Sagarin…basically a pick em game when home field is accounted for.

Have em separated by 3 spots in my poll.

Now, if Chatard blows em out?  Sure.

But you have them higher than Chatard nonetheless. You've overrated them all season just like Sagarin did. 

Anyways. Crown Point's schedule is the greatest, we all get that. But there were some "pretty good" teams and they blew them out. One of us is going to look smarter than the other after semi-state.

[Komets2727]

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

But you have them higher than Chatard nonetheless. You've overrated them all season just like Sagarin did. 

Anyways. Crown Point's schedule is the greatest, we all get that. But there were some "pretty good" teams and they blew them out. One of us is going to look smarter than the other after semi-state.

Man, I can’t agree on Penn and Valpo even being good teams this year. Merrillville, we will see but who have they beaten? 

[Boilernation]

13 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Man, I can’t agree on Penn and Valpo even being good teams this year. Merrillville, we will see but who have they beaten? 

So, what are we saying here? Everyone sucks unless they beat an HCC or MIC team or Cathedral/Center Grove? Yes, Crown Point’s schedule is sub par for a 6A contender. But by no means does that prove they couldn’t finish in the top 2 or 3 of the HCC. Have you actually watched CP play? Throw out the level of comp and just look at the schemes and talent on offense. 

[FastpacedO]

6 hours ago, Justasportsfan said:

No love for Warren Central?

Their defense yes, their offense leaves a lot to be desired.

[Komets2727]

8 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

So, what are we saying here? Everyone sucks unless they beat an HCC or MIC team or Cathedral/Center Grove? Yes, Crown Point’s schedule is sub par for a 6A contender. But by no means does that prove they couldn’t finish in the top 2 or 3 of the HCC. Have you actually watched CP play? Throw out the level of comp and just look at the schemes and talent on offense. 

Yes, I have watched CP play and speed kills, especially when the other team doesn’t have it. CP is a good team, period. The schedule is softer than Charmin, hard to give credit when you are comparing apples to oranges when it should be apples to apples. Subpar schedule for a 6A school, yep

Edited November 9, 2024 by Komets2727

[Boilernation]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Yes, I have watched CP play and speed kills, especially when the other team doesn’t have it. CP is a good team, period. The schedule is softer than Charmin, hard to give credit when you are comparing apples to oranges when it should be apples to apples. Subpar schedule for a 6A school, yep

What's your prediction for Carroll at Crown Point?