6A Tournament Discussion

[Yuccaguy]

8 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

No way the "oldest" continuous rivalry game doesn't get played week 1, ESPECIALLY the Financial implications, you know it's called 9 mile road for a reason my ex region friend !!!  🙂 

week 2

Brownsburg vs cathedral 

Westfield Vs Carmel 

Noblesville vs Homestead 

Zionsville vs Lawerence Central 

Avon vs Ben Davis 

Fishers vs Pike 

North Central vs Hamilton SE 

Warren Central vs Warsaw 

Lawrence North vs Ft Wayne North 

Carrol FW vs Center Grove 

Columbus North vs Columbus East 

Elkhart vs Northridge 

FW Snider vs East Noble 

Penn vs Mishawaka 

Athletic Director @temptation

here is the week 2 in 2024.   Play AD, for CP.   What are you doing and why would the other side do it as well, remember it's not so easy to just say, CROWN POINT, GO PLAY CARMEL..... etc. etc.  

See above.   Where does CP go and who is willing to play? 

Plead with LN to take away FW North and play them.  There are other options for the Legends to play honestly.  

[Boilernation]

14 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

No way the "oldest" continuous rivalry game doesn't get played week 1, ESPECIALLY the Financial implications, you know it's called 9 mile road for a reason my ex region friend !!!  🙂 

 

Haha! I know that's an unpopular opinion. All of the population growth in south Lake County is in Crown Point and Hanover Central's district. RDP is falling behind if the past 2 seasons are any indication of the future. 

You live in Crown Point. Do you see any reason to believe the talent is going to dry up? 

 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Boilernation

[Yuccaguy]

2 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Haha! I know that's an unpopular opinion. All of the population growth in south Lake County is in Crown Point and Hanover Central's district. RDP is falling behind if the past 2 seasons are any indication of the future. 

You live in Crown Point. Do you see any reason to believe the talent is going to dry up? 

Haha! I know that's an unpopular opinion. All of the population growth in south Lake County is in Crown Point and Hanover Central's district. RDP is falling behind if the past 2 seasons are any indication of the future. 

You live in Crown Point. Do you see any reason to believe the talent is going to dry up? 

If you live NORTH of US24, and are in 6A...Do you honestly believe that you have ANY shot of winning at LOS in 6A?  

Participation is a "wonderful thing" I guess.....

[temptation]

Just now, Yuccaguy said:

If you live NORTH of US24, and are in 6A...Do you honestly believe that you have ANY shot of winning at LOS in 6A?  

Participation is a "wonderful thing" I guess.....

Truth serum.

[BTF]

2 hours ago, adambetz said:

LN is in year two with FW Northside, and hopefully this is the last game in their series. Couple of programs going in opposite directions. We could be seeing LN vs CP back to back years.

North Side was as competitive with LN as BD and WC were. I would say the direction North Side is going is up for debate. They're better this year than they were last, and they picked up Jaylon Smith as a coach. 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

I guess I don't understand the pride that Crown Point and a couple other Northern teams could beat Park Tudor, Heritage Christian, Shortridge, Attucks, or another one of the many small schools in Indy Metro.

The entirety of the SAC would roll those programs. Indy Metro is probably home to the worst football in the state. I think what he was trying to say is that a couple of Northern teams would have beaten the majority of the the Indy teams outside of the donut. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

You never disappoint my man.

Whatever, he's drinking.

[Jetackow]

Let’s not forget the talk about Carmel supposedly being on a 'downward trend' and in need of a rebuild. Yet in Week 2, Carmel was still giving top teams a run, even if they’re not the powerhouse they once were. Westfield barely edged them out with a 4-point win, then squeaked past HSE in OT by 7. Westfield’s only loss? A tight 4-point game against Brownsburg. Since then, Westfield has been unstoppable, showing how quickly momentum can shift.

Brownsburg also had a strong season, with only one loss to HSE by 9 but they’ve pulled off some close wins along the way – a 1-point victory over Fishers, a 4-point win over Westfield, another 4-point win against Noblesville, and an 8-point sectional win over Avon. In the sectional championship, they even pulled off a comeback to beat BD by 3. Now, they’re up against LN, who has been electric all season. LN's control on both sides of the ball has been next level, and Brownsburg will need every bit of grit to keep up. Interestingly, LN's closest game came in Week 1 against Lawrence Central, who kept the margin to just 7. And for Pike – they were the 2nd closest to beating LN this season, only losing by 10 points. Pike also only lost to BD by 10. So I’m not sure that the sentiment of CP 'handling' Pike is funny. These are teenagers and the level of play they bring deserves respect.

Each of these teams has faced challenges and proven they can rise to the occasion, regardless of who’s on the other side of the ball. This season, more than ever, shows just how close the competition is – no game is a given. These players are battling week in and week out, and they’re earning every win. At the end of the day, a win is a win and a loss is a loss. Look at IU and Notre Dame 😂

 

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, BTF said:

North Side was as competitive with LN as BD and WC were. I would say the direction North Side is going is up for debate. They're better this year than they were last, and they picked up Jaylon Smith as a coach. 

That game was called at halftime, lol.

[BTF]

29 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

If you live NORTH of US24, and are in 6A...Do you honestly believe that you have ANY shot of winning at LOS in 6A?  

Participation is a "wonderful thing" I guess.....

The right coach with the right amount of kids................see Crown Point. Carroll is slowly getting there. 

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

That game was called at halftime, lol.

And if it wasn't, they would have ended up about the same score as LN and BD. 

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

The right coach with the right amount of kids................see Crown Point. Carroll is slowly getting there. 

And if it wasn't, they would have ended up about the same score as LN and BD. 

If you say so…

[BTF]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

If you say so…

58-28 isn't much different than 34-13. Not bad for the smallest program in 5A. Give North Side some credit, when LN punched, the SAC's 6th best team punched back. I watched it. 

[adambetz]

52 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

No way the "oldest" continuous rivalry game doesn't get played week 1, ESPECIALLY the Financial implications, you know it's called 9 mile road for a reason my ex region friend !!!  🙂 

week 2

Brownsburg vs cathedral 

Westfield Vs Carmel 

Noblesville vs Homestead 

Zionsville vs Lawerence Central 

Avon vs Ben Davis 

Fishers vs Pike 

North Central vs Hamilton SE 

Warren Central vs Warsaw 

Lawrence North vs Ft Wayne North 

Carrol FW vs Center Grove 

Columbus North vs Columbus East 

Elkhart vs Northridge 

FW Snider vs East Noble 

Penn vs Mishawaka 

Athletic Director @temptation

here is the week 2 in 2024.   Play AD, for CP.   What are you doing and why would the other side do it as well, remember it's not so easy to just say, CROWN POINT, GO PLAY CARMEL..... etc. etc.  

See above.   Where does CP go and who is willing to play? 

Crown Point vs Lawrence North: LN opts out after home and home with Northside.

FW Northside vs New Haven: Luers opts for better comp and drops New Haven after two years. Marriage of convenience between Northside and New Haven. Northside could certainly court a better opponent.

FW Luers vs SB St Joe: St Joe and FW Southside done after 2 years.

FW Southside vs SB Washington: Panthers fill a hole in week 2 after playing a neutral site game against New Albany this past year.

[adambetz]

2 minutes ago, adambetz said:

Crown Point vs Lawrence North: LN opts out after home and home with Northside.

FW Northside vs New Haven: Luers opts for better comp and drops New Haven after two years. Marriage of convenience between Northside and New Haven. Northside could certainly court a better opponent.

FW Luers vs SB St Joe: St Joe and FW Southside done after 2 years.

FW Southside vs SB Washington: Panthers fill a hole in week 2 after playing a neutral site game against New Albany this past year.

When I say opt out, I of course mean it hypothetically. I'm not sure at all about any of the contracts lengths. I do believe a bunch of the SAC schools signed 2 year contracts when the new scheduling configuration started.

[Boilernation]

58 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

If you live NORTH of US24, and are in 6A...Do you honestly believe that you have ANY shot of winning at LOS in 6A?  

Participation is a "wonderful thing" I guess.....

IF you can beat the HCC two years in a row and draw Brownsburg in LOS, why not? Besides, how is having a defeatest attitude going to help anyone? Should Coach Moore have just said I don't have the raw talent or enrollment that Ben Davis and Warren get so I should just accept my place in line? F*** no. He developed something to change the narrative. 

[BTF]

3 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

IF you can beat the HCC two years in a row and draw Brownsburg in LOS, why not? Besides, how is having a defeatest attitude going to help anyone? Should Coach Moore have just said I don't have the raw talent or enrollment that Ben Davis and Warren get so I should just accept my place in line? F*** no. He developed something to change the narrative. 

Took the words out of my mouth. If you don't think you can win, get the hell out of the kitchen and let someone else take over. I can assure you Buzea is planning on winning the whole thing. Something tells me that Dinan has a goal of winning the whole thing. Snider's goal at the beginning of the year is the same no matter the class..........win state. 

[Rodney]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Whatever, he's drinking.

am not

 

 

[Yuccaguy]

57 minutes ago, BTF said:

Took the words out of my mouth. If you don't think you can win, get the hell out of the kitchen and let someone else take over. I can assure you Buzea is planning on winning the whole thing. Something tells me that Dinan has a goal of winning the whole thing. Snider's goal at the beginning of the year is the same no matter the class..........win state. 

Again, how's about scheduling them in the REGULAR season.  

Yes, Carroll/Snider are doing that as well as a number of other NE Indiana schools (playing up).  But the CP discussion is kinda wild.  Week 2 is a wonderful opportunity to get into BIG BOY competition beyond the DAC.  

This entire tirade is futile until the North (of US 24) actually is competitive at LOS in 6A at this point. 

The 80's and 90's were decades ago! 

Edited November 13, 2024 by Yuccaguy

[Boilernation]

3 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Again, how's about scheduling them in the REGULAR season.  

Yes, Carroll/Snider are doing that as well as a number of other NE Indiana schools (playing up).  But the CP discussion is kinda wild.  Week 2 is a wonderful opportunity to get into BIG BOY competition beyond the DAC.  

This entire tirade is futile until the North (of US 24) actually is competitive at LOS in 6A at this point. 

The 80's and 90's were decades ago! 

Do you ever work any 6A games North of 24? You should and have these comms with coaches of the 6A schools. Start with Crown Point. I’m sure Buzea would you enjoy you telling him that he’s avoiding the BIG BOYS. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

11 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Again, how's about scheduling them in the REGULAR season.  

Yes, Carroll/Snider are doing that as well as a number of other NE Indiana schools (playing up).  But the CP discussion is kinda wild.  Week 2 is a wonderful opportunity to get into BIG BOY competition beyond the DAC.  

This entire tirade is futile until the North (of US 24) actually is competitive at LOS in 6A at this point. 

The 80's and 90's were decades ago! 

The 2015 game between CG and Penn was very competitive . It was like a 5 point game into the 4th Q . CG tacked on a very late score and were the better team that day , but not by much . Looks like CP is the favorite as of now to dethrone an Indy area team in the championship game . Question is when ?

[FastpacedO]

12 hours ago, BTF said:

The entirety of the SAC would roll those programs. Indy Metro is probably home to the worst football in the state. I think what he was trying to say is that a couple of Northern teams would have beaten the majority of the the Indy teams outside of the donut. 

It is still a wide variety. Indy area, Indy metro, indy (whatever the chosen words are). Inside the donut consists of 18 schools 2=1A, 4=2A, 3=3A, 5=4A, 0=5A, 3=6A (your 6A consist of Cathedral, Arsenal Tech, and Pike). Outside the donut (depending on where you draw the line of demarcation) consists of about 39-40 schools 1=1A, 6=2A, 4=3A, 9=4A, 4=5A, 16-6A (your 6A consist of Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Carmel, Center Grove, Fishers, Franklin Central, Hamilton Southeastern, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North, Noblesville, Perry Meridian, Southport, Warren Central, Westfield, Zionsville). There is a huge range from really bad, middle of the road, and really good.

Ben Davis while 5-6 this year I bet not many Northern teams would want to play them with their speed and size. Carmel is definitely down but is a hot bed with talent something is going on with coaching (they are 5 years from a State Championship), Not many have seen Brownsburg because of their failures in tournament time to Ben Davis and Cathedral. Fishers and HSE have played tag your it with Carmel and Westfield. Westfield is the hottest growing right now. I know a lot has been mentioned about Buzea and what he is doing at Crown Point the same could be said about Westfield from the time Jake Gilbert took over (he has left and gone to Wabash College but his top assitant is in charge now) and continued with Josh Miracle. Westfield was in a Double OT game with Crown Point last year, this year they look really solid but the last 4 season were: Double OT loss to Crown Point in Semi-State, a regional loss to HSE, back to back State Championship runner up losing to Center Grove 38-14 and 27-21 not too shabby for a team that moved from 5A to 6a in 2018.

12 hours ago, BTF said:

58-28 isn't much different than 34-13. Not bad for the smallest program in 5A. Give North Side some credit, when LN punched, the SAC's 6th best team punched back. I watched it. 

Not disagreeing with you but one question. Do you think Lawrence North vs Fort Wayne North in November would be the same score as it was in week 2 in August? Week 1 (August) of the season Lawrence North 33 Lawrence Central 26 and week 10 (November) Lawrence North 40 Lawrence Central 9 (granted LN vs LC is a big rivalry since they all played together in Middle school and Junior league). Just curious.

12 hours ago, Boilernation said:

IF you can beat the HCC two years in a row and draw Brownsburg in LOS, why not? Besides, how is having a defeatest attitude going to help anyone? Should Coach Moore have just said I don't have the raw talent or enrollment that Ben Davis and Warren get so I should just accept my place in line? F*** no. He developed something to change the narrative. 

I can jive with this and have no problem with it. I will say what Coach Moore has done at Center Grove is astounding. His first season they were 5-5 and he lost tight or respectable games to Carmel 26-23, Ben Davis 28-14, Warren Central 21-7 (Ben Davis was eventual State Champion in 1999). In year 2 they were 13-2 lost in regular season (week 5) to Ben Davis which they avenged in Semi-State in shocking fashion eventually losing to Coach Geesman's Penn 21-0 in State Championship. Coach Buzea is on the same path maybe a little slower start, but lets be honest the turnaround at CG was abnormally quick. Center Grove was in year 2 of the MIC when Coach Moore was hired.

[Yuccaguy]

8 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Do you ever work any 6A games North of 24? You should and have these comms with coaches of the 6A schools. Start with Crown Point. I’m sure Buzea would you enjoy you telling him that he’s avoiding the BIG BOYS. 

Always....  and as an educator and coach.  I'm sure he'd say the dearth of success at the 6A level is obvious at areas beyond US24 

AND that includes a number of schools...not specifically CP.

[Boilernation]

44 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

Always....  and as an educator and coach.  I'm sure he'd say the dearth of success at the 6A level is obvious at areas beyond US24 

AND that includes a number of schools...not specifically CP.

Of course it’s obvious the success has always been in Indy at the 6A level. So you would tell him or any other 6A true Northern coach they’re just playing for a participation trophy? 

[temptation]

People seem to get easily offended but the facts don't lie.  Outside of the moral victory claimed above by Penn, the numbers are what they are.

Not saying its impossible but giving folks a hard time because they have to see it to believe it is outrageous.

I'll be the first on here to congratulate Crown Point if they pull if off by the way.

[CoachMack219]

21 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

As far as T-shirt goes.....what was wrong with stating the fact they did represent the NORTH?  

CP has TREMENDOUS buy in and even more awesome operating Budget.   So should they not get "RED" rings that say they won the NORTH as well?  Or do we just throw shade at a $13 T Shirt? 

 

Coach, I feel the rings represent the hard work that the players and coaches put into the season and earned by making it to Lucas Oil and being the North representative. I guess the T-shirts just don't get my competitive juices flowing. I appreciate the community support and partnership that Crown Point has and truly believe it is the recipe for sustained football success even if the rest of the Region (with the exception of a few) fail to understand and develop that.

To me personally, it's like watching Lebron James walk around in his 2007, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2018 Eastern Conference Champions T-shirt or an NBA Finals Runner-Up T-shirt. Is getting there an accomplishment to be proud of? ABSOLUTELY! But for me, I think the Red Rings symbolize that better than a North Champ T-shirt (worn by a player, coach, or community member) ever could.