6A Tournament Discussion

[Komets2727]

11 minutes ago, BTF said:

So if they represent the north for the second year in a row, are you still thinking 6-3 at best?

Yes, it is the week in, week out grind of that schedule. Right now, CP basically gets a one off in semi-state and a one off in the state title game. You could make the argument that Noblesville would be the 2nd best team on their regular season schedule yet they were winless in their current conference 

[BTF]

12 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Yes, it is the week in, week out grind of that schedule. Right now, CP basically gets a one off in semi-state and a one off in the state title game. You could make the argument that Noblesville would be the 2nd best team on their regular season schedule yet they were winless in their current conference 

Don't forget that Crown Point beat the best team in the HCC last year and some are touting that they are even better this year. I don't think it's out of line to think that CP could get through the HCC with one loss as two other teams have done this year. I think this team is being underestimated.................again. 

[CoachMack219]

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think this team is being underestimated.................again. 

It appears that way, and for the record, they're better than they were a year ago.... Lol 

[temptation]

28 minutes ago, BTF said:

Not a good example. The SAC is loaded with 3A-5A teams and Homestead still isn't the team they were a few years back. However, it is interesting that Noblesville running clocked them, yet they were an onside kick away from having a chance to beat HSE. 

Here comes Temp.

You already know what I am going to reference...

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

You already know what I am going to reference...

Homestead falling asleep on the bus in 2019? Or running yardage being more important than passing yardage against HSE? No, I'm not sure which. 

[adambetz]

6 minutes ago, BTF said:

Don't forget that Crown Point beat the best team in the HCC last year and some are touting that they are even better this year. I don't think it's out of line to think that CP could get through the HCC with one loss as two other teams have done this year. I think this team is being underestimated.................again. 

I believe your opinion is valid. Crown Point is a great team.

Statistically speaking, the number of variables added to the schedule by hypothetically placing CP in the HCC make it far less likely that the Bulldogs would be able to escape the season with 1 or less loss. Not impossible, just less probable.

Like others have said, the HCC schedule introduces way more teams that are able to compete with CP. Going from only having to worry about two teams a year to having to properly prepare each and every week. Hypothetically, the wear and tear of playing tougher games and having to play the full 48 minutes will cause injuries.

Even if its 60/40 odds that CP would beat HSE, that is a significantly tougher task statistically than say the 80/20 chance they had to beat Valpo. Replace the 95/5 chance of beating Portage with the 70/30 chance of beating Noblesville. That's a statistically significant difference.

CP could absolutely go 7-0 in the HCC. Imo its just as likely that they go 4-3.

[RegionFBFan]

7 minutes ago, BTF said:

Don't forget that Crown Point beat the best team in the HCC last year and some are touting that they are even better this year. I don't think it's out of line to think that CP could get through the HCC with one loss as two other teams have done this year. I think this team is being underestimated.................again. 

They have been underestimated on this board all season. They just keep rolling and have gathered a little more respect with a lot of skepticism implied.

4 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:

It appears that way, and for the record, they're better than they were a year ago.... Lol 

Agree. They will roll Carroll, then beat Westfield and will win 6A title. I said it 5-6 weeks ago and nothing has happened to change my opinion.

Yes, LN will present some issues with their speed but they aren’t as physical as CP and definitely not disciplined enough. CP will just wear you down and keep LN offense off field.

Personally believe, Westfield will be the tougher opponent than LN.
 

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

They will roll Carroll, then beat Westfield and will win 6A title. I said it 5-6 weeks ago and nothing has happened to change my opinion.
 

I agree, and I have CP beating Carroll by 14. But........did someone say that pass coverage was CP's weakness? Wondering if Iowa commit Jimmy Sullivan can exploit that. 

[Coach Nowlin]

I haven't read thru any of this thread, but this much I do know, I tuned in after the dust had settled and rewatched LN vs Cathedral Late Friday night.    

WOW, that LN team is FUN and LOADED with dudes.    LOVE that BOX defenders especially the DL and the activity of LB and timing of their blitzes.    Pure Chaos !!!

Also the SOPH RB LN has is ELECTRIC !!!  

[FastpacedO]

3 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I haven't read thru any of this thread, but this much I do know, I tuned in after the dust had settled and rewatched LN vs Cathedral Late Friday night.    

WOW, that LN team is FUN and LOADED with dudes.    LOVE that BOX defenders especially the DL and the activity of LB and timing of their blitzes.    Pure Chaos !!!

Also the SOPH RB LN has is ELECTRIC !!!  

They definitely created pure chaos with their defense! They were very aggressive which helped them tremendously after their offense had turned the ball over. They were relentless very fast on the back end to cover man to man and speed in the box to aggressively get to the QB.

The Sophomore RB I can almost guarantee gives Defensive Coordinator's and defensive position coaches pucker moments every time he touches the ball. He makes cuts so quick and hits top speed immediately.  

[FastpacedO]

10 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

They definitely created pure chaos with their defense! They were very aggressive which helped them tremendously after their offense had turned the ball over. They were relentless very fast on the back end to cover man to man and speed in the box to aggressively get to the QB.

The Sophomore RB I can almost guarantee gives Defensive Coordinator's and defensive position coaches pucker moments every time he touches the ball. He makes cuts so quick and hits top speed immediately.  

Then you have to worry about IU commit Chandler 6'0" 170 lbs and Sales 6'5" 195 lbs and D. Moore 5'8" 162 (Moore and Sales were on the 4x100 relay team). They have speed to burn.

[temptation]

39 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

They have been underestimated on this board all season. They just keep rolling and have gathered a little more respect with a lot of skepticism implied.

Agree. They will roll Carroll, then beat Westfield and will win 6A title. I said it 5-6 weeks ago and nothing has happened to change my opinion.

Yes, LN will present some issues with their speed but they aren’t as physical as CP and definitely not disciplined enough. CP will just wear you down and keep LN offense off field.

Personally believe, Westfield will be the tougher opponent than LN.
 

As I have stated previously, Crown Point (by no fault of their own) has become the latest 6A non-Indy team to claim the "disrespect card" but can you really blame people with the history of the 5A and now 6A tournament?

Carroll broke through a couple of years ago and CP last year, but both were soundly defeated in Lucas Oil.

(Also, if you want people to take you seriously, don't schedule a game against a mediocre team from Arizona nor print "champions of the north" t-shirts.)

 

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Then you have to worry about IU commit Chandler 6'0" 170 lbs and Sales 6'5" 195 lbs and D. Moore 5'8" 162 (Moore and Sales were on the 4x100 relay team). They have speed to burn.

Last year, BD's speed made Crown Point seem like they were stuck in mud.  

(And LN is faster than BD was...)

 

[Footballking16]

23 hours ago, Boilernation said:

I havne't really watched Center Grove or LN this year. The HCC gets a majority of my attention and then I'll watch a big game from the DAC or SAC. It sounds like LN would be a nightmare for whoever wins the North.

I don't think CG is as good as they have been in the past, but I will say this...there isn't a better big game coach/program in the state than Eric Moore/Center Grove. Despite having a defense that struggles to get off the field, their offense is still very legit. I know the winner of LN/Brownsburg does not want to see CG in semi-state, especially LN who has already played them once. I think CG is still a very legitimate threat to win the state title.

Way too many people counting out the Trojans who are still the standard program in this state. 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Footballking16

[Footballking16]

50 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

They just keep rolling and have gathered a little more respect with a lot of skepticism implied.

Not going to get the kind of respect you're looking for with that schedule. I'm sure Crown Point is very good and they will have their chance to prove themselves here in the next couple of weeks. 

[Footballking16]

37 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I haven't read thru any of this thread, but this much I do know, I tuned in after the dust had settled and rewatched LN vs Cathedral Late Friday night.    

WOW, that LN team is FUN and LOADED with dudes.    LOVE that BOX defenders especially the DL and the activity of LB and timing of their blitzes.    Pure Chaos !!!

Also the SOPH RB LN has is ELECTRIC !!!  

LN outclassed Cathedral Friday and didn't even play particularly well. First time in a long team that I've seen a team head and shoulders better than Cathedral. LN is the best team in the state by a wide margin in my opinion and their toughest opponent is going to be themselves. Turnovers and penalties can wreck a team in the postseason and that is something that needs cleaned up because good to great teams will take advantage.

[Footballking16]

57 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

Yes, LN will present some issues with their speed but they aren’t as physical as CP and definitely not disciplined enough. CP will just wear you down and keep LN offense off field.

I thought Cathedral would do the same thing on the ground but they didn't stand a chance. LN is a finesse team offensively but they are much, much more physical defensively than you are giving them credit for. They fly around, get after you, and hit you in the mouth. 

[CoachMack219]

22 minutes ago, temptation said:

As I have stated previously, Crown Point (by no fault of their own) has become the latest 6A non-Indy team to claim the "disrespect card" but can you really blame people with the history of the 5A and now 6A tournament?

Carroll broke through a couple of years ago and CP last year, but both were soundly defeated in Lucas Oil.

(Also, if you want people to take you seriously, don't schedule a game against a mediocre team from Arizona nor print "champions of the north" t-shirts.)

 

This is why I am undeniably hesitant to pencil CP in as the North representative (and eventual Champion) as my buddy RegionFBFan is eager to do/ has proclaimed throughout the year (his words). Can't blame people for being hesitant given the history of 5 and 6A State tournaments. 

 

I think some folks on here explained the Arizona College Prep scheduling situation pretty well as for the Champions of the North shirts. I'll LOL right here with you Temp. 🤣

[Coach Nowlin]

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

As I have stated previously, Crown Point (by no fault of their own) has become the latest 6A non-Indy team to claim the "disrespect card" but can you really blame people with the history of the 5A and now 6A tournament?

Carroll broke through a couple of years ago and CP last year, but both were soundly defeated in Lucas Oil.

(Also, if you want people to take you seriously, don't schedule a game against a mediocre team from Arizona nor print "champions of the north" t-shirts.)

 

Do you know the back story of the Arizona game?   

Crown Point High School's football team played Arizona College Prep in 2024 because Crown Point needed a replacement game for Week 2 and Arizona College Prep had a schedule gap on the same date. 

 

 

 

Here's some more information about the game:

• Coaches: Crown Point's Craig Buzea contacted coaches in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan to find a replacement game. He discovered that Steve Vaught, a former player and coach of Buzea's, was the new head coach at Arizona College Prep. 
   
   

As far as T-shirt goes.....what was wrong with stating the fact they did represent the NORTH?  

CP has TREMENDOUS buy in and even more awesome operating Budget.   So should they not get "RED" rings that say they won the NORTH as well?  Or do we just throw shade at a $13 T Shirt? 

 

[adambetz]

30 minutes ago, temptation said:

As I have stated previously, Crown Point (by no fault of their own) has become the latest 6A non-Indy team to claim the "disrespect card" but can you really blame people with the history of the 5A and now 6A tournament?

Carroll broke through a couple of years ago and CP last year, but both were soundly defeated in Lucas Oil.

(Also, if you want people to take you seriously, don't schedule a game against a mediocre team from Arizona nor print "champions of the north" t-shirts.)

 

FWIW, Arizona College Prep is 9-1 and ranked 22nd in Arizona according to both Maxpreps and Calpreps. Projected state champ. Ranked nationally around teams like Concord, Warsaw, Roncalli, Avon according to Calpreps. I won't pretend to be an Arizona hs football expert but it seems like they'd be a solid match-up for any not top 5 IHSAA team.

[Coach Nowlin]

And let's not forgot..... Week 2 in Indiana is week 1 in Illinois. 

Considering we have been on the short end of the stick with scheduling games it can be a chore.  It's not like Crown Point could have said, OKAY State of Indiana, stop what you are doing, and just come play us..... doesn't work that way.  

I would say that playing Arizona Prep was better than playing Andrean and or Chicago Taft.   Now if one of the big suburban schools in Illinois want to step on up and play their week 1 if they have an opening Im sure CP would be all for it. 

 

[Boilernation]

3 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

The craziest Box Score I ever posted for @temptation a few weeks back.

 

LOL...that's awesome! 

[Coach Nowlin]

Will Warsaw's look similar this week ( I know 5a, but still ) 

 

[Boilernation]

22 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

And let's not forgot..... Week 2 in Indiana is week 1 in Illinois. 

Considering we have been on the short end of the stick with scheduling games it can be a chore.  It's not like Crown Point could have said, OKAY State of Indiana, stop what you are doing, and just come play us..... doesn't work that way.  

I would say that playing Arizona Prep was better than playing Andrean and or Chicago Taft.   Now if one of the big suburban schools in Illinois want to step on up and play their week 1 if they have an opening Im sure CP would be all for it. 

 

Getting a Week 2 game against a Chicago team will be tough. The Chicago Catholic League teams and the different Suburban Conferences all typically schedule each other in OOC. Very rare for someone to go out of State. 

It's probably an unpopular opinion in south Lake County, but the Crown Point vs. Lowell rivalry needs to come to an end. At this point up and comer Hanover Central is a better option in south Lake County. In a perfect world Crown Point mimics the Fort Wayne 6A's and go all Indy or Chicago in OOC. And stay away from the Chicago Public League.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

As I have stated previously, Crown Point (by no fault of their own) has become the latest 6A non-Indy team to claim the "disrespect card" but can you really blame people with the history of the 5A and now 6A tournament?

Carroll broke through a couple of years ago and CP last year, but both were soundly defeated in Lucas Oil.

(Also, if you want people to take you seriously, don't schedule a game against a mediocre team from Arizona nor print "champions of the north" t-shirts.)

 

Because your only looking at the title game . Last year BD beat Pike 62-0 , Avon 42-14 , LN 62-14 , Carmel 45-16 and North Central 50-3 .  Crown Point  and a couple other Northern teams were better than the Majority of INDY Metro .