6A Tournament Discussion

[RocksFan23]

On 10/29/2024 at 11:30 AM, RocksFan23 said:

Looks like the ONLY scenario in which Westfield would get CP at home would have to be:

Zionsville beats Carmel Round 1

Fishers wins at HSE in Sectional 4 final, which would send Westfield to Fishers for Regional

Zionsville winning seems to be the main factor, any other scenario would have Westfield home to HSE or Fishers through one being home, other away for Sectional final, or the Odd sectional# determining Regional host

 

EDIT: This is assuming Noblesville don't pull 2 stunners lol

Perfect scenario comes true. Unless Carroll upsets Crown Point on the road, Westfield (assuming they get by Fishers) will be hosting CP in Semistate

[WestfieldRocks]

4 minutes ago, RocksFan23 said:

Perfect scenario comes true. Unless Carroll upsets Crown Point on the road, Westfield (assuming they get by Fishers) will be hosting CP in Semistate

I realize that Westfield blew out Fishers at Fishers, but after tonight, putting up 44 on HSE, it will be a challenge for Westfield to win this one.

[BTF]

24 minutes ago, WestfieldRocks said:

I realize that Westfield blew out Fishers at Fishers, but after tonight, putting up 44 on HSE, it will be a challenge for Westfield to win this one.

Won't matter. Crown Point is going to state. 

[WestfieldRocks]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Won't matter. Crown Point is going to state. 

To get thumped again by the southern 6A Semi State winner? :)

[Boilerup]

Get by your next opponent before  u make statements! Injuries suck !

[BTF]

6 hours ago, WestfieldRocks said:

To get thumped again by the southern 6A Semi State winner? 🙂

Doubtful. 

[FastpacedO]

23 minutes ago, BTF said:

Doubtful. 

Interesting

[BTF]

8 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Interesting

Interesting that I don't think Crown Point will get "thumped" by Lawrence North? I'm more intrigued by the "injuries suck" comment. 

[Boilerup]

Just saying anything can  happen to teams before the meet some team down the road . Like injuries.  Hope no teams have any from here  on out , but they happen .  

[temptation]

42 minutes ago, BTF said:

Interesting that I don't think Crown Point will get "thumped" by Lawrence North? I'm more intrigued by the "injuries suck" comment. 

Westfield is banged up.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Ok guys, I am going to say this one last time....stop giving any credence to the results of games against the St. Joe/Elkhart county football teams...Elkhart was not a good team, Penn was awful this year. Concord gets beat in sectionals. Mishawaka is literally the last school standing...and they struggled with a down Northwood team. 

CP is good football team. Who has not played anyone to the caliber of what Carroll has seen this year. If Carroll gets trounced I will carry the CP banner the rest of the way, but they are a good team, they aren't the best team I have ever seen. Carroll can win this game. It will likely be an ugly one. 

@BTF bro I know you see the Ft Wayne schools up close and in person week in and out, but until CP beats a quality team I cannot fathom them beating a quality Carroll and one of the better teams from Fishers or Westfield. 

I am willing to be wrong I have been many times this season, but beating Penn 35-0 is not the accomplishment it used to be, @temptationwould agree with that statement. 

The only thing I can say is that CP right now has the feel of early 6A Penn, the only difference is Penn had a weak Sectional 1 for regionals. CP actually has to play a competent team in regionals. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

On a positive note...Congrats to the young men and coaching staff at Lawrence North on their strong win against Cathedral. Their first sectional championship since 2021 and only their second sectional championship win in decades, last time before 21 was in 1990

 

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Ok guys, I am going to say this one last time....stop giving any credence to the results of games against the St. Joe/Elkhart county football teams...Elkhart was not a good team, Penn was awful this year. Concord gets beat in sectionals. Mishawaka is literally the last school standing...and they struggled with a down Northwood team. 

CP is good football team. Who has not played anyone to the caliber of what Carroll has seen this year. If Carroll gets trounced I will carry the CP banner the rest of the way, but they are a good team, they aren't the best team I have ever seen. Carroll can win this game. It will likely be an ugly one. 

@BTF bro I know you see the Ft Wayne schools up close and in person week in and out, but until CP beats a quality team I cannot fathom them beating a quality Carroll and one of the better teams from Fishers or Westfield. 

I am willing to be wrong I have been many times this season, but beating Penn 35-0 is not the accomplishment it used to be, @temptationwould agree with that statement. 

The only thing I can say is that CP right now has the feel of early 6A Penn, the only difference is Penn had a weak Sectional 1 for regionals. CP actually has to play a competent team in regionals. 

Great post, but let's not pretend that Elkhart isn't good. They might not be a Top 10 team in 6A, but that doesn't necessarily make you "not good."

With regard to Crown Point, I'm more of a believer in Craig Buzea than anything else. He is to Crown Point what Eric Moore is to Center Grove. I'm struggling to think that Carroll's going to make the three hour trip and come out victorious. Snider moved the ball pretty well against Carroll all night long with a young, small offensive line. What's Crown Point going to do with an experienced, big offensive line? Carroll's only prayer is that Crown Point doesn't have a strong pass defense as some have stated, but something tells me they'll put the necessary pressure on Sullivan to help the pass coverage. 

Crown Point apparently didn't open anyone's eyes last year when they beat the HCC's best team. Apparently they didn't impress anyone last night with their drubbing of Penn. They'll open some eyes next week against Carroll. CP by 14+. 

[temptation]

21 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Ok guys, I am going to say this one last time....stop giving any credence to the results of games against the St. Joe/Elkhart county football teams...Elkhart was not a good team, Penn was awful this year. Concord gets beat in sectionals. Mishawaka is literally the last school standing...and they struggled with a down Northwood team. 

CP is good football team. Who has not played anyone to the caliber of what Carroll has seen this year. If Carroll gets trounced I will carry the CP banner the rest of the way, but they are a good team, they aren't the best team I have ever seen. Carroll can win this game. It will likely be an ugly one. 

@BTF bro I know you see the Ft Wayne schools up close and in person week in and out, but until CP beats a quality team I cannot fathom them beating a quality Carroll and one of the better teams from Fishers or Westfield. 

I am willing to be wrong I have been many times this season, but beating Penn 35-0 is not the accomplishment it used to be, @temptationwould agree with that statement. 

The only thing I can say is that CP right now has the feel of early 6A Penn, the only difference is Penn had a weak Sectional 1 for regionals. CP actually has to play a competent team in regionals. 

I mean, beating anyone by 35 points in a sectional title game is an accomplishment but I see your point.

I often get labeled as a hater of the non-Indy teams on here when in reality it could not be any farther from the truth.  If you go back and see my posting history from over the years, I have been BEGGING for parity in 6A.

I still have a bit of pause on Crown Point but it is no fault of their own.  Last year, their state finals run was a surprise…that won’t be the case this year.  
 

I still have em losing to Westfield by double figures but could see a scenario where they get by em.

I’ve been bullish on LN since the summer but even I didn’t see this coming.  I have prematurely labeled 2024 LN as “2023 BD lite” and we saw how that state finals game turned out. 
 

I think it was @BTF who went on last year about the advantage that speed provides indoors and he received quite a bit of pushback.  I have one foot on board but with nearly all schools going to field turf in this day and age, I think the indoor element is negligible.

LN has a lot of flaws but their speed is ridiculous and will be a nightmare for anyone they face.

Edited November 9, 2024 by temptation

[BLACKGOLD2007]

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

Great post, but let's not pretend that Elkhart isn't good. They might not be a Top 10 team in 6A, but that doesn't necessarily make you "not good."

With regard to Crown Point, I'm more of a believer in Craig Buzea than anything else. He is to Crown Point what Eric Moore is to Center Grove. I'm struggling to think that Carroll's going to make the three hour trip and come out victorious. Snider moved the ball pretty well against Carroll all night long with a young, small offensive line. What's Crown Point going to do with an experienced, big offensive line? Carroll's only prayer is that Crown Point doesn't have a strong pass defense as some have stated, but something tells me they'll put the necessary pressure on Sullivan to help the pass coverage. 

Crown Point apparently didn't open anyone's eyes last year when they beat the HCC's best team. Apparently they didn't impress anyone last night with their drubbing of Penn. They'll open some eyes next week against Carroll. CP by 14+. 

I am sorry, Elkhart was good on one side of the ball. That was it, Elkhart gets beat by CP as bad as Penn does...why Because the Elkhart Penn game was a 0-0 tie in the second half. It would have ended if Penn doesn't suck and muff the punt. 

The quality of teams in this area are not what they used to be. 

When Penn was in the early 6A, the biggest complaint from the people in the North was Penn had it easy in sectionals 1 and 2. They had an open Door to Semi-State. CP has an open door to regionals. 

We sit here on this thread and argue strength of schedule for the teams in the South and the HCC, but when Carroll players two quality opponents outside of their conference, it means nothing all of the sudden. Carroll has seen the level of competition of CP already...twice. I don't expect Carroll to be overwhelmed in the moment. This is the program you were saying could take the North mantle and run with it...now because CP drubs a bad Portage and Penn team they are the anointed Kings?

Again, if CP beats Carroll I will carry the flag, but God please every stop acting like this game is over before it even happens. You might as well be South Bend LaSalle. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

I mean, beating anyone by 35 points in a sectional title game is an accomplishment but I see your point.

I often get labeled as a hater of the non-Indy teams on here when in reality it could not be any farther from the truth.  If you go back and see my posting history from over the years, I have been BEGGING for parity in 6A.

I still have a bit of pause on Crown Point but it is no fault of their own.  Last year, their state finals run was a surprise…that won’t be the case this year.  
 

I still have em losing to Westfield by double figures but could see a scenario where they get by em.

I’ve been bullish on LN since the summer but even I didn’t see this coming.  I have prematurely labeled 2024 LN as “2023 BD lite” and we saw how that state finals game turned out. 
 

I think it was @BTF who went on last year about the advantage that speed provides indoors and he received quite a bit of pushback.  I have one foot on board but with nearly all schools going to field turf in this day and age, I think the indoor element is negligible.

LN has a lot of flaws but their speed is ridiculous and will be a nightmare for anyone they face.

I think CP's next step to getting more respect is adding an Indy school to their schedule each year. If they start playing a Indy school each year, and win or get beat in a close game, come the playoffs, people will be actually looking at them and say, yeah they have what it takes. 

The players went out an took care of business. I am not trying to take that from them. 

[temptation]

Just now, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I think CP's next step to getting more respect is adding an Indy school to their schedule each year. If they start playing a Indy school each year, and win or get beat in a close game, come the playoffs, people will be actually looking at them and say, yeah they have what it takes. 

The players went out a took care of business. I am not trying to take that from them. 

Didn’t interpret it that way at all and like I said, it’s by no fault of Crown Point’s either.

We’ve just heard for 2+ decades on that “this is the non-Indy team to break through.”

And we are still waiting…

Carroll and CP “broke through” at the semi state level and then got throttled a week later.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

Didn’t interpret it that way at all and like I said, it’s by no fault of Crown Point’s either.

We’ve just heard for 2+ decades on that “this is the non-Indy team to break through.”

And we are still waiting…

Carroll and CP “broke through” at the semi state level and then got throttled a week later.

I think we are getting closer to a North team getting through the glass ceiling. I think this could be one of those years where Carroll or CP catch the right team on the right night kind of situations....but overall we are still a ways out, Carroll is already going the road of playing Indy schools to help themselves prepare for what is to come. CP can take that next step in scheduling moving forward.

Another thing, as Penn grad and die hard... this game was an awful slap in the face as to where these two programs are going, CP has buy in, Penn right now does not. This is year one, but I think at the very top of PHM there is no care if a sports team actually wins state... I mean our marching band can't even make state now. Like wtf. 

CP is on a rocket ship to the top of 6A north...Penn is fading to obscurity. Die hards and past players left last night at halftime...me being one of them. We all shook our heads and laughed. It is pathetic, this is also not a dig at the kids...it is all frustration towards the program and who runs it. 

[RegionFBFan]

6 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I think we are getting closer to a North team getting through the glass ceiling. I think this could be one of those years where Carroll or CP catch the right team on the right night kind of situations....but overall we are still a ways out, Carroll is already going the road of playing Indy schools to help themselves prepare for what is to come. CP can take that next step in scheduling moving forward.

Another thing, as Penn grad and die hard... this game was an awful slap in the face as to where these two programs are going, CP has buy in, Penn right now does not. This is year one, but I think at the very top of PHM there is no care if a sports team actually wins state... I mean our marching band can't even make state now. Like wtf. 

CP is on a rocket ship to the top of 6A north...Penn is fading to obscurity. Die hards and past players left last night at halftime...me being one of them. We all shook our heads and laughed. It is pathetic, this is also not a dig at the kids...it is all frustration towards the program and who runs it. 

I can attest to your comments on CP rise and commitment to football and really to all sports. They have upgraded everything starting with;Youth Football Program, incredible facilities, HC and coaching staff, Administrative support, increased salaries for assistant coaches, and growing population that is improving the talent pool. It has been remarkable to watch in the last 3-4 yrs.

 

 

[temptation]

34 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I think we are getting closer to a North team getting through the glass ceiling. I think this could be one of those years where Carroll or CP catch the right team on the right night kind of situations....but overall we are still a ways out, Carroll is already going the road of playing Indy schools to help themselves prepare for what is to come. CP can take that next step in scheduling moving forward.

Another thing, as Penn grad and die hard... this game was an awful slap in the face as to where these two programs are going, CP has buy in, Penn right now does not. This is year one, but I think at the very top of PHM there is no care if a sports team actually wins state... I mean our marching band can't even make state now. Like wtf. 

CP is on a rocket ship to the top of 6A north...Penn is fading to obscurity. Die hards and past players left last night at halftime...me being one of them. We all shook our heads and laughed. It is pathetic, this is also not a dig at the kids...it is all frustration towards the program and who runs it. 

To be fair, Crown Point was 5-5 in year one under Buzea.

[FastpacedO]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

Interesting that I don't think Crown Point will get "thumped" by Lawrence North? I'm more intrigued by the "injuries suck" comment. 

Interesting that you have already crowned Crown Point as the 6A North representative (with Westfield still waiting in the wings). Also interesting that you think they won't get thumped by the 6A South representative (Be that Brownsburg, Lawrence North, or Center Grove). We will see how it plays out.

 

[Bash Riprock]

Center Grove held a slim 17-14 lead over Franklin Central last night at half....and then the flood gates opened 2nd half.

CG vs WC

BB vs LN

couple of what should be outstanding regional games in the 6A south bracket

[Justasportsfan]

11 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Interesting that you have already crowned Crown Point as the 6A North representative (with Westfield still waiting in the wings). Also interesting that you think they won't get thumped by the 6A South representative (Be that Brownsburg, Lawrence North, or Center Grove). We will see how it plays out.

 

No love for Warren Central?

[Komets2727]

11 hours ago, BTF said:

Won't matter. Crown Point is going to state. 

Got to call you out on this my friend. Westfield is the real deal. For you to dismiss them against Crown Point is fools gold, especially having to go to Westfield. I am not sold one bit on CP being a great team. Good team, yes. Playing an Indy schedule, 5-4, maybe 6-3. Speed kills when only one team has it, like CP does against the opponents they play currently. Beating a down Penn team 35-0, ho hum. Hell, when Snider best Elkhart last week it told me all I needed to know about the strength of all the teams in the upper North. Concord getting beat by Warsaw only reinforces that. Having watched a bit of the HSE/Fishers game, I got Fishers ahead of CP

Edited November 9, 2024 by Komets2727

[BTF]

12 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Got to call you out on this my friend. Westfield is the real deal. For you to dismiss them against Crown Point is fools gold, especially having to go to Westfield. I am not sold one bit on CP being a great team. Good team, yes. Playing an Indy schedule, 5-4, maybe 6-3. Speed kills when only one team has it, like CP does against the opponents they play currently. Beating a down Penn team 35-0, ho hum. Hell, when Snider best Elkhart last week it told me all I needed to know about the strength of all the teams in the upper North. Concord getting beat by Warsaw only reinforces that. Having watched a bit of the HSE/Fishers game, I got Fishers ahead of CP

Crown Point goes does no worse than 7-2 with an all Indy schedule this year, maybe 9-0. Keep the receipt. It's a shame we won't get to see Elkhart vs, let's say, a Noblesville or Zionsville.