6A Tournament Discussion

[Justasportsfan]

2 hours ago, psaboy said:

Elkhart Run D was really good from what I saw, didn't see whole game. Snider will need to be able to pass ball to continue past Carroll and beyond. Logan being hurt doesn't help

Passing for the panthers..no bueno..Carroll does not have an offensive identity issue..give the ball to jimmy..let Jimmy run n pass..

[psaboy]

Just now, Justasportsfan said:

Passing for the panthers..no bueno..Carroll does not have an offensive identity issue..give the ball to jimmy..let Jimmy run n pass..

Yea, I know how most feel about Panthers and run, run and run again. My point is for them to compete against these better teams, they have to have the ability to throw, need to get opposing D honest one way or another. I feel the passing plays last night were key to W. 

[Justasportsfan]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

A moral victory of sorts…congrats.

Sparty will take what they can get..no running clock may have saved a few more tears..

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Sure passing counts but based on those in the know isn’t it safe to say once HSE built a solid lead, they went into a shell and kept everything in front of them?

When the clock becomes your friend, you just let the other team run out of time which it sounds like what happened here.

A moral victory of sorts…congrats.

I don't know, I wasn't there. But even if Homestead lost 20-0, I'd say "good job." No one expected this game to be competitive, yet Homestead held HSE to only two touchdowns. 

[Justasportsfan]

Just now, psaboy said:

Yea, I know how most feel about Panthers and run, run and run again. My point is for them to compete against these better teams, they have to have the ability to throw, need to get opposing D honest one way or another. I feel the passing plays last night were key to W. 

He threw a td...n a pick..I'm with u on being able to pass..just don't see them having the accuracy n poise. Maybe if it's rainy..or snowy..

[Komets2727]

6 minutes ago, Justasportsfan said:

He threw a td...n a pick..I'm with u on being able to pass..just don't see them having the accuracy n poise. Maybe if it's rainy..or snowy..

I am all about having a balanced offense, but not this year. Snider is just not capable of throwing the football. Read into that what you want. I am trying to be respectful towards the players, but if you can see you know what I am saying. Only chance Snider has against Carroll is a 10-7 type of game, maybe get a defensive touchdown. 

[temptation]

15 minutes ago, BTF said:

I don't know, I wasn't there. But even if Homestead lost 20-0, I'd say "good job." No one expected this game to be competitive, yet Homestead held HSE to only two touchdowns. 

69 plays, 54 of which were runs (nearly an 80/20 split) just strikes me as HSE never really feeling threatened and taking a business trip up to Fort Wayne.

Arguing semantics at this point I guess.

5 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Interesting indeed. HSE seemed to be in control running the ball well jumping out to a 17-0 lead. Homestead made a 4th qtr comeback scoring 14 points. The Royals held on. Here is the box score 

 

 

Did Homestead ever have the ball in the 4th with a chance to take the lead?

Edited November 2, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

31 minutes ago, temptation said:

69 plays, 54 of which were runs (nearly an 80/20 split) just strikes me as HSE never really feeling threatened and taking a business trip up to Fort Wayne.

Arguing semantics at this point I guess.

Did Homestead ever have the ball in the 4th with a chance to take the lead?

I think one could conclude that they were an onside kick away from really making HSE fans sweat. Maybe you're right about running the ball, taking care of business, and getting on the bus early. If they watched Snider/Homestead film, they probably concluded that they could run the ball and go home. 

[Komets2727]

37 minutes ago, temptation said:

69 plays, 54 of which were runs (nearly an 80/20 split) just strikes me as HSE never really feeling threatened and taking a business trip up to Fort Wayne.

Arguing semantics at this point I guess.

Did Homestead ever have the ball in the 4th with a chance to take the lead?

I just watched the ending of the game, HSE converted a 4th and 2 with 3 minutes to go to hold onto the 20-14 win. A fair statement would be HSE controlled the first 3 quarters to get a 17-0 lead and then held on for dear life  in the 4th quarter as Sparty dominated in the last quarter. Stats do tell a story, but I am betting the coach of HSE was sweating bullets at the end of the game…

[BTF]

4 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I just watched the ending of the game, HSE converted a 4th and 2 with 3 minutes to go to hold onto the 20-14 win. A fair statement would be HSE controlled the first 3 quarters to get a 17-0 lead and then held on for dear life  in the 4th quarter as Sparty dominated in the last quarter. Stats do tell a story, but I am betting the coach of HSE was sweating bullets at the end of the game…

South Adams was down 32-6 at halftime last night. It's important for teams to understand that a game lasts four quarters. South Adams won. 

[Komets2727]

2 minutes ago, BTF said:

South Adams was down 32-6 at halftime last night. It's important for teams to understand that a game lasts four quarters. South Adams won. 

Yeah, when it got to 32-21 I thought South Adams had a chance and they pulled it out. Once Snider took the lead on the first play of the 4th quarter, game was over unless Elkhart scored a defensive touchdown. I was that convinced that they weren’t scoring on the Snider defense.

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Yeah, when it got to 32-21 I thought South Adams had a chance and they pulled it out. Once Snider took the lead on the first play of the 4th quarter, game was over unless Elkhart scored a defensive touchdown. I was that convinced that they weren’t scoring on the Snider defense.

Another Top 5 defense in my opinion.

[Boilernation]

On 11/1/2024 at 3:04 PM, kabookieman2007 said:

DAC for Penn on paper might seem like a good fit, but as mentioned the time change cant be ignored, the kids likely wouldnt be back home before midnight on a gameday; not horrible on a Friday but exhausting if its a Tuesday baseball or basketball game. Not to mention the travel cost and risk, how many winter basketball games would be canceled or have almost no away team attendance because travelling on 80/90 and US 20 or even US 6 is downright dangerous sometimes in the winter. Then you get into the rescheduling or all together lost games; no one wants that. 

 

Personally ,I don't think the timezone difference is that big of a game changer. It wasn't a roadblock that couldn't be cleared years ago when Penn was ready to accept an invitation. Worst case scenario they can limit games against Crown Point, Merrillville and Lake Central to Friday / Saturday. 

Looking at Penn's basketball schedule for this year and I see 5 DAC opponents on the schedule. It's fairly common now for DAC foes to be on Penn athletic schedules. 

 

[Boilernation]

5 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

I am all about having a balanced offense, but not this year. Snider is just not capable of throwing the football. Read into that what you want. I am trying to be respectful towards the players, but if you can see you know what I am saying. Only chance Snider has against Carroll is a 10-7 type of game, maybe get a defensive touchdown. 

I get what you're saying. Kind of of impossible to sugar coat it. Neither QB was was capable of throwing the ball last night. I thought Sndier handled the situation better in the 2nd half by dialing up what appeared to be a few simple single read plays that fooled the Elkhart D. To cue Denny Green, Elkhart was who we thought they are. They have a huge, athletic and talented DL and that's about it. A majority of their passing yards came on poorly thrown jump balls. I don't get why they continued to try forcing the ball downfield in the passing game. Especially when the QB kept going Will Levis and not just taking a sack when nothing is there. Elkhart was very lucky the 2nd INT wasn't a pick 6 as well.  That ball can't be thrown. 

[BTF]

26 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

They have a huge, athletic and talented DL and that's about it. 

I'm either blind or have poor judgment in talent, but they seemed to have athletes all over the field. Some of those jump balls were won as a result of pure athleticism. Reminded me of Warren Central with the talented defensive line. Offenses were similar in my opinion. Good athletes on that side of the ball, but had trouble putting it together. It took Warren Central 2.5 quarters to find the scoreboard. I think Snider has one of the best defenses in 6A. But to Elkhart's credit, so do they. The way Concord handled North Side last night makes the one point loss to them look pretty good. 

[Boilernation]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm either blind or have poor judgment in talent, but they seemed to have athletes all over the field. Some of those jump balls were won as a result of pure athleticism. Reminded me of Warren Central with the talented defensive line. Offenses were similar in my opinion. Good athletes on that side of the ball, but had trouble putting it together. It took Warren Central 2.5 quarters to find the scoreboard. I think Snider has one of the best defenses in 6A. But to Elkhart's credit, so do they. The way Concord handled North Side last night makes the one point loss to them look pretty good. 

Oh, I agree that Elkhart had a lot of athletes and the WR's were winning the jump balls like you said. They just didn't have the passing ability to run the offense they tried throwing at Snider, IMO.

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'm either blind or have poor judgment in talent, but they seemed to have athletes all over the field. Some of those jump balls were won as a result of pure athleticism. Reminded me of Warren Central with the talented defensive line. Offenses were similar in my opinion. Good athletes on that side of the ball, but had trouble putting it together. It took Warren Central 2.5 quarters to find the scoreboard. I think Snider has one of the best defenses in 6A. But to Elkhart's credit, so do they. The way Concord handled North Side last night makes the one point loss to them look pretty good. 

Athletes are great if they are in a system where they can thrive, but if they are just out there, they have little significance. North Side is exhibit A of this. To a lesser extent, Wayne is exhibit B. 

[Footballking16]

10 hours ago, temptation said:

Sure passing counts but based on those in the know isn’t it safe to say once HSE built a solid lead, they went into a shell and kept everything in front of them?

When the clock becomes your friend, you just let the other team run out of time which it sounds like what happened here.

A moral victory of sorts…congrats.

A postseason moral victory at that…

[Justasportsfan]

2 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Athletes are great if they are in a system where they can thrive, but if they are just out there, they have little significance. North Side is exhibit A of this. To a lesser extent, Wayne is exhibit B. 

Ig all route trees aren't built the same? Yes need o line to sustain a clean pocket..position coaches really make that much of a difference?

[psaboy]

20 hours ago, BTF said:

Another Top 5 defense in my opinion.

Even without Logan?

[BTF]

9 minutes ago, psaboy said:

Even without Logan?

Possibly. They looked pretty good in the second half against Elkhart without him. Obviously he's not a player you want to lose, but they have depth at the DB position. 

[temptation]

24 minutes ago, BTF said:

Possibly. They looked pretty good in the second half against Elkhart without him. Obviously he's not a player you want to lose, but they have depth at the DB position. 

So talk me though why the Snider/Carroll game was so lopsided the first time around.

My memory is foggy.

Do you expect this week to be any different?

Is the winner just fodder for Crown Point in the regional?

[Yuccaguy]

43 minutes ago, BTF said:

Possibly. They looked pretty good in the second half against Elkhart without him. Obviously he's not a player you want to lose, but they have depth at the DB position. 

I was at Powers Hamburgers other day and some guy named: "Woodson Roderick" was in town...said he went to R. Nelson Snider HS.

Any possibility they could slip him into the secondary this week? 

[WestfieldRocks]

On 11/2/2024 at 9:43 AM, temptation said:

Uh yeah, this tells a different story.

This is an example of how final scores don’t tell the whole story.

Nearly 6 1/2 yards per carry…

301 more rushing yards by HSE. You would think they would have controlled the clock and Homestead would have needed quick strikes to score. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Yuccaguy said:

I was at Powers Hamburgers other day and some guy named: "Woodson Roderick" was in town...said he went to R. Nelson Snider HS.

Any possibility they could slip him into the secondary this week? 

Never heard of that guy, I guess anything is possible.