6A Tournament Discussion

[BTF]

1 minute ago, Boilernation said:

Admittedly, even as a DAC apologist, I'd probably pull for the South in 5A out of spite if the Pirates make it.

 

Wow, all because of Parkhurst. How one guy can wreck an entire community. 

I'd like to see Merrillville get that title. They have a great fan base that travels well. They deserve to see their Pirates play on Thanksgiving weekend. 

[Rodney]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Rodney rarely misses.  I need to know how many points you’d give Crown Point in a potential semi-state matchup at Westfield?

hard to really predict having spent a significant amount of time not in the northwestern area.

 

 

looking at their schedule only two wins really jump off the page, being a thrashing of both merriville and penn

 

merriville then went on to pulverize the rest of the dac leading me to wonder if either merriville is  good and cp is really good, or if the dac is just really bad.

 

and its hard to put to much stock into a win over an 8-3 penn team, though the shut out was a nice touch.

 

 

 

Crown point may be the favorite this week, but they will have to beat a carrol team that is absolutely more tested than they are, and likewise westfield has to drive all the way to fishers to grab their free win. 

 

after that ill give you 12 points at westfield

Edited November 13, 2024 by Rodney

[GOLDRUSH1985]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I'll put $100 on CP. You're paying out $1000?

 

How Would you ever collect ?

[BTF]

21 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

How Would you ever collect ?

Lol, I wouldn't. Probably just ask for my money back. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

merriville then went on to pulverize the rest of the dac leading me to wonder if either merriville is  good and cp is really good

If Merrillville is anything like what I saw of them last year, they'll be a tough out. I said from the beginning of the year it was going to be Merrillville vs DC. It's starting to look more and more that way. I don't think it's way off base to say that the DAC has an opportunity to take both 5A and 6A. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's not far fetched. 

[Komets2727]

If Decatur Central represents the South in 5A again you might as well just engrave the state title to whomever is representing the North right now. Surely, there has to be another team in the South better than that

[FastpacedO]

10 hours ago, BTF said:

If Merrillville is anything like what I saw of them last year, they'll be a tough out. I said from the beginning of the year it was going to be Merrillville vs DC. It's starting to look more and more that way. I don't think it's way off base to say that the DAC has an opportunity to take both 5A and 6A. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying it's not far fetched. 

Lafayette Jefferson might have something to say for Merrillville. Of course the Bronchos have to play disciplined defense so Warsaw won't eat that clock up on them. I haven't watched them play this year but they have been lighting up the scoreboard in many games. They have a common opponent (Laff Jeff and Merrillville) in Michigan City, Laff Jeff won 17-13 and Merrillville won 14-12 so looks like it could be a great game. If both win their regional I think the game will be at Laff Jeff.

On the other side you have Decatur Central hosting East Central, the winner of that game might be at Lucas Oil Stadium for the South. East Central while not quite the same as last season is still a very solid team. Decatur Central always has athletes.

8 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

If Decatur Central represents the South in 5A again you might as well just engrave the state title to whomever is representing the North right now. Surely, there has to be another team in the South better than that

Just curious why the statement about Decatur Central. A lot of the players that played FW Snider in the State Championship last year were Sophomores. This year they are Juniors with the exception of Dodo who will be a SR. They will return pretty much the same squad next year too. They lost in week 1 to Columbus North who was pretty solid, and lost in week 3 to Martinsville (who made a miraculous comeback similar to Brownsburg/Ben Davis game) but even Martinsville is still playing in 4A Regional. The game I really wanted to see was DC vs New Pal, it was tied 21-21 when the game was called and never resumed (not sure why they didn't finish on Saturday it still baffles me). I'm just curious of the disdain for the Hawks because I don't think they are a terrible team. I do think they have a battle coming up with East Central though.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

23 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

Lafayette Jefferson might have something to say for Merrillville. Of course the Bronchos have to play disciplined defense so Warsaw won't eat that clock up on them. I haven't watched them play this year but they have been lighting up the scoreboard in many games. They have a common opponent (Laff Jeff and Merrillville) in Michigan City, Laff Jeff won 17-13 and Merrillville won 14-12 so looks like it could be a great game. If both win their regional I think the game will be at Laff Jeff.

On the other side you have Decatur Central hosting East Central, the winner of that game might be at Lucas Oil Stadium for the South. East Central while not quite the same as last season is still a very solid team. Decatur Central always has athletes.

Just curious why the statement about Decatur Central. A lot of the players that played FW Snider in the State Championship last year were Sophomores. This year they are Juniors with the exception of Dodo who will be a SR. They will return pretty much the same squad next year too. They lost in week 1 to Columbus North who was pretty solid, and lost in week 3 to Martinsville (who made a miraculous comeback similar to Brownsburg/Ben Davis game) but even Martinsville is still playing in 4A Regional. The game I really wanted to see was DC vs New Pal, it was tied 21-21 when the game was called and never resumed (not sure why they didn't finish on Saturday it still baffles me). I'm just curious of the disdain for the Hawks because I don't think they are a terrible team. I do think they have a battle coming up with East Central though.

I agree , you can't judge teams from one year till the next , BTF should know this (Penn vs Snider 03-04). Look at LN this year , they were beaten last year by 48 to BD and 20 to CG . And Crown Point is much better this year than last . 

[temptation]

10 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

If Decatur Central represents the South in 5A again you might as well just engrave the state title to whomever is representing the North right now. Surely, there has to be another team in the South better than that

Nah, when they are on, DC can ball.  They are inconsistent, sure but there’s no 2023 Snider in this 5A bracket.

They have as good a shot as anyone.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

Oops , should of said Komets2727 should know teams can change dramatically from year to year.

[BTF]

58 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah, when they are on, DC can ball.  They are inconsistent, sure but there’s no 2023 Snider in this 5A bracket.

They have as good a shot as anyone.

I saw a toughness in both Decatur Central and Merrillville last year in the first half vs Snider. One could conclude that both teams played them almost even for two quarters. At the end of the day, it's a four quarter game, but nonetheless, I saw something in both programs. 

[BTF]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

Lafayette Jefferson might have something to say for Merrillville. Of course the Bronchos have to play disciplined defense so Warsaw won't eat that clock up on them. I haven't watched them play this year but they have been lighting up the scoreboard in many games. They have a common opponent (Laff Jeff and Merrillville) in Michigan City, Laff Jeff won 17-13 and Merrillville won 14-12 so looks like it could be a great game. If both win their regional I think the game will be at Laff Jeff.

On the other side you have Decatur Central hosting East Central, the winner of that game might be at Lucas Oil Stadium for the South. East Central while not quite the same as last season is still a very solid team. Decatur Central always has athletes.

 

Interesting that there's not one word this year about 5A being a week class, where last year that was one of the forum's hottest topics. Give me your take on that. What changed? Personally, I like this class even with Snider gone and Valpo having a down year. I think DC vs EC could go either way. Jeff vs Warsaw will be a war. The Pirates better not be overlooking Valpo. So I think there are five teams that could take this whole thing. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

I think Jeff beats Warsaw and then goes all way to win the title . 

[Boilernation]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

 

Just curious why the statement about Decatur Central. A lot of the players that played FW Snider in the State Championship last year were Sophomores. 

There was no logic in that statement. He saw a very young DC offense get bottled up against a great Snider D and foolishly thinks it correlates to this year. Personally, at this point Bloomington South is about the only team remaining in 5A who would surprise me if they ended up in LOS. 5A is wide open, IMO.

[BTF]

14 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

I think Jeff beats Warsaw and then goes all way to win the title . 

I'm down with that. Hard to believe Jeff has never been beyond regionals in the history of their program (unless I'm missing something). Would be good for their fan base. 

[Coach Nowlin]

17 hours ago, BTF said:

I'll put $100 on CP. You're paying out $1000?

 

 

16 hours ago, temptation said:

Sure.  

 

16 hours ago, BTF said:

 

PM me where to send the check.

 

16 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

 

Send the Check to the GID !  

Or keep being "blowhards"

BEAT ME TO IT

 

[FastpacedO]

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

Interesting that there's not one word this year about 5A being a week class, where last year that was one of the forum's hottest topics. Give me your take on that. What changed? Personally, I like this class even with Snider gone and Valpo having a down year. I think DC vs EC could go either way. Jeff vs Warsaw will be a war. The Pirates better not be overlooking Valpo. So I think there are five teams that could take this whole thing. 

I think there is better competition between the teams left in 5A. East Central bumping from 4A to 5A has helped that. 

I am still a proponent that there should be 32 teams in 6A and 32 teams in 1A the 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A can all be 62 teams. I think that will make 5A even stronger. While competition between teams left in 5A is even I still think some 4A teams could compete or beat the 5A teams left (New Pal, Chatard, Martinsville, Mishawaka, East Noble). I think if you went to 62 teams in 5A you would get at least half of the remaining teams playing in 4A in 5A and it would be even more competitive.

Just my opinion.

[CoachMack219]

2 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

I think there is better competition between the teams left in 5A. East Central bumping from 4A to 5A has helped that. 

I am still a proponent that there should be 32 teams in 6A and 32 teams in 1A the 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A can all be 62 teams. I think that will make 5A even stronger. While competition between teams left in 5A is even I still think some 4A teams could compete or beat the 5A teams left (New Pal, Chatard, Martinsville, Mishawaka, East Noble). I think if you went to 62 teams in 5A you would get at least half of the remaining teams playing in 4A in 5A and it would be even more competitive.

Just my opinion.

Agreed on all of the above. 

[temptation]

38 minutes ago, BTF said:

Interesting that there's not one word this year about 5A being a week class, where last year that was one of the forum's hottest topics. Give me your take on that. What changed? Personally, I like this class even with Snider gone and Valpo having a down year. I think DC vs EC could go either way. Jeff vs Warsaw will be a war. The Pirates better not be overlooking Valpo. So I think there are five teams that could take this whole thing. 

Doesn't necessarily apply to last year but I think Cathedral's success has spoiled those who follow 5A football.  Folks have unrealistic expectations as they have really been the only recent 5A champion (other than Snider last year) that you could honestly make a case for at the 6A level.  "Maybe" the New Pal teams of the late 2010's?

[GOLDRUSH1985]

56 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm down with that. Hard to believe Jeff has never been beyond regionals in the history of their program (unless I'm missing something). Would be good for their fan base. 

Jeff dropping 41 on Avon was an eye opener . Maybe we should move this to a 5A thread ?

[Tippy]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I'm down with that. Hard to believe Jeff has never been beyond regionals in the history of their program (unless I'm missing something). Would be good for their fan base. 

You're right, Jeff has never won a regional.  They almost did in 1981.  They were beating Snider 17-0 at the half and Snider came back to win 18-17.  Jeff has always been in the largest class until this year.  They can play with anyone in 5A this year.

[BTF]

2 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Jeff dropping 41 on Avon was an eye opener . Maybe we should move this to a 5A thread ?

Lol, forgot what thread I was in. I imagine 5A could use a thread if one's not already there. 

[BTF]

1 hour ago, Tippy said:

You're right, Jeff has never won a regional.  They almost did in 1981.  They were beating Snider 17-0 at the half and Snider came back to win 18-17.  Jeff has always been in the largest class until this year.  They can play with anyone in 5A this year.

I remember listening to that game on the radio. Jeff has been a pretty stout program for a long time, which why I'm baffled that they've never reached the semi-state level. That's a program worth rooting for. 

[adambetz]

7 minutes ago, BTF said:

That's a program worth rooting for. 

Unless you have to deal with them on a regular basis. I respect Jeff but I'd never go out of my way to cheer for them in anything.

[BTF]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

I think there is better competition between the teams left in 5A. East Central bumping from 4A to 5A has helped that. 

I am still a proponent that there should be 32 teams in 6A and 32 teams in 1A the 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A can all be 62 teams. I think that will make 5A even stronger. While competition between teams left in 5A is even I still think some 4A teams could compete or beat the 5A teams left (New Pal, Chatard, Martinsville, Mishawaka, East Noble). I think if you went to 62 teams in 5A you would get at least half of the remaining teams playing in 4A in 5A and it would be even more competitive.

Just my opinion.

I've been a proponant of that since the inception of 6A. 

2026 will more than likely see Cathedral and Snider (not ruling out a semi-state victory in 2025) back in 5A. Talk of 4A competing with 5A will finally come to an end. Question becomes, which of the following teams will be back in 6A? Could be two, could be none: Decatur Central, Merrillville, East Central, Warsaw, and Jeff. If the answer is none, then that's one hell of a strong class. 

5 minutes ago, adambetz said:

Unless you have to deal with them on a regular basis. I respect Jeff but I'd never go out of my way to cheer for them in anything.

PM me, I'm curious as to why. Don't need to make it public.