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15 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yeah, let's listen to the guy who threw 6 feet of dirt on top of Brady Allen and Gibson Southern in the 2nd quarter just 7 days ago.

"Gibson Southern won't win.  If they were good, they'd have the lead right now."  Same logic.

 

As I stated above, Franklin Central and Avon.  Bank on it.  Just a matter of WHEN and not IF.

FC...maybe...but what is the driver for Avon to leave the HCC??

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4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Their socioeconomic profile inches closer and closer to the MIC schools daily.

maybe...but when I look at median home list prices for Avon and other suburban areas, seems pretty darn comparable.  Even though they are seeing growth now, you are predicting things to start declining??

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Center Grove and Carmel voted out of the MIC.
 
The principals from the Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference from Ben Davis High School, Lawrence Central High School, Lawrence North High School, North Central High School, Pike High School and Warren Central High School want to share with our communities some decisions we have made regarding the future of the MIC conference.
 
During the 1996-97 school year, 8 schools came together with a clear vision: “The Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference provides a model for interscholastic excellence. Within a framework of appreciation and support of the unique characteristics of member schools, the Conference enhances student opportunities and achievement in all areas of each school’s program.” The 8 schools that formed the MIC were from urban, rural and suburban areas around Indianapolis. Those unique characteristics of the member schools were the bedrock of this conference.
 
The MIC was formed as more than an athletic conference; the founders wanted to enhance student opportunities and achievement in all areas of each school’s programs. Each year the MIC holds an academic banquet where department chairs and administrators from all the schools come together and learn from each other. Many of us who came into administration through our schools learned of the MIC Academic Banquet well before we understood the MIC as an athletic conference. Each year we hold a student leadership conference, a MIC Choir festival, a charitable fundraiser in ceramics entitled Empty Bowls, a MIC brain game, and we were in the process of adding a MIC Jazz festival. The collegiality of the MIC went well beyond athletics. All of our programs, from Performing Arts, to JROTC, from bowling to spell bowl, continue to be competitive statewide and nationally on a yearly basis. The principals have worked together for the past 24 years to create a community of learners.
 
This past fall it came to our attention that for athletic reasons, as well as a desire to “culturally align” (as reported in the media) with surrounding suburban schools, Carmel and Center Grove were seeking placement in a different conference. We value the historical relationships with these two communities, and while this news was sad to those of us who understand the rich history, we also understand that these two schools no longer share the vision that we are more than an athletic conference, that athletics should not drive our decisions, and that our unique characteristics are what make us strong.
 
On Monday, December 13th, the 6 remaining principals made the difficult decision to vote Center Grove and Carmel out of the conference. Article V, section 4 of the MIC Constitution allows for the removal of other schools with a unanimous vote of the remaining schools and just cause. This vote will allow these two schools to seek a conference that aligns with their visions.
 
Over the next few months, we will be in discussions with other school systems who value the diversity our conference offers, who want to engage in a strong community of educators who believe the conference should be more than athletics, but who also, as we have said in the MIC for years, want to “play the best in order to be the best.” The MIC was founded on these beliefs. If we find school districts who want to compete at the highest level, in every sport, and push our students and staff to be the very best in the state, all while helping to create a diverse yet unified community, then they will be considered great candidates.
 
Until we find such candidates, we will remain a powerful 6 and compete against other powerful schools in neighboring states if opportunities should arise. The 6 schools will honor all athletic contracts through the 2022-23 school year; however, during the spring season of 2022, the MIC Conference will comprise solely of the 6 schools listed below.
 
We believe Indianapolis, Indiana and the country needs unification, not separation. The MIC is built on understanding our differences and learning from each other. Our goals, as outlined by the founders of the MIC, are that the conference: 1) provides an environment in which sportsmanship is valued and displayed, 2) recognizes student achievement in a variety of endeavors, 3) raises the level of expectations and competition and 4) provides opportunities for the exchange of ideas, programs and people. Should we find other schools who share our vision and will affirm these goals, we will entertain expansion.
 

Can't wait for folks' thoughts on this one...

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22 minutes ago, temptation said:
Center Grove and Carmel voted out of the MIC.
 
The principals from the Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference from Ben Davis High School, Lawrence Central High School, Lawrence North High School, North Central High School, Pike High School and Warren Central High School want to share with our communities some decisions we have made regarding the future of the MIC conference.
 
During the 1996-97 school year, 8 schools came together with a clear vision: “The Metropolitan Interscholastic Conference provides a model for interscholastic excellence. Within a framework of appreciation and support of the unique characteristics of member schools, the Conference enhances student opportunities and achievement in all areas of each school’s program.” The 8 schools that formed the MIC were from urban, rural and suburban areas around Indianapolis. Those unique characteristics of the member schools were the bedrock of this conference.
 
The MIC was formed as more than an athletic conference; the founders wanted to enhance student opportunities and achievement in all areas of each school’s programs. Each year the MIC holds an academic banquet where department chairs and administrators from all the schools come together and learn from each other. Many of us who came into administration through our schools learned of the MIC Academic Banquet well before we understood the MIC as an athletic conference. Each year we hold a student leadership conference, a MIC Choir festival, a charitable fundraiser in ceramics entitled Empty Bowls, a MIC brain game, and we were in the process of adding a MIC Jazz festival. The collegiality of the MIC went well beyond athletics. All of our programs, from Performing Arts, to JROTC, from bowling to spell bowl, continue to be competitive statewide and nationally on a yearly basis. The principals have worked together for the past 24 years to create a community of learners.
 
This past fall it came to our attention that for athletic reasons, as well as a desire to “culturally align” (as reported in the media) with surrounding suburban schools, Carmel and Center Grove were seeking placement in a different conference. We value the historical relationships with these two communities, and while this news was sad to those of us who understand the rich history, we also understand that these two schools no longer share the vision that we are more than an athletic conference, that athletics should not drive our decisions, and that our unique characteristics are what make us strong.
 
On Monday, December 13th, the 6 remaining principals made the difficult decision to vote Center Grove and Carmel out of the conference. Article V, section 4 of the MIC Constitution allows for the removal of other schools with a unanimous vote of the remaining schools and just cause. This vote will allow these two schools to seek a conference that aligns with their visions.
 
Over the next few months, we will be in discussions with other school systems who value the diversity our conference offers, who want to engage in a strong community of educators who believe the conference should be more than athletics, but who also, as we have said in the MIC for years, want to “play the best in order to be the best.” The MIC was founded on these beliefs. If we find school districts who want to compete at the highest level, in every sport, and push our students and staff to be the very best in the state, all while helping to create a diverse yet unified community, then they will be considered great candidates.
 
Until we find such candidates, we will remain a powerful 6 and compete against other powerful schools in neighboring states if opportunities should arise. The 6 schools will honor all athletic contracts through the 2022-23 school year; however, during the spring season of 2022, the MIC Conference will comprise solely of the 6 schools listed below.
 
We believe Indianapolis, Indiana and the country needs unification, not separation. The MIC is built on understanding our differences and learning from each other. Our goals, as outlined by the founders of the MIC, are that the conference: 1) provides an environment in which sportsmanship is valued and displayed, 2) recognizes student achievement in a variety of endeavors, 3) raises the level of expectations and competition and 4) provides opportunities for the exchange of ideas, programs and people. Should we find other schools who share our vision and will affirm these goals, we will entertain expansion.
 

Can't wait for folks' thoughts on this one...

1. Incredibly dumb move by the MIC. Not only are they going to lose statewide visibility, but also regional visibility. Many considered MIC to be one of the premier athletic conferences in the Midwest, voting out your two bread winners makes ZERO sense.

2. While this obviously paves the way for CG and Carmel to the HCC, let it be known this is not CG and Carmel leaving on their own accord for greener pastures. The HCC will soon become the premier conference in Indiana due to the MIC's own demise. 

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1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

1. Incredibly dumb move by the MIC. Not only are they going to lose statewide visibility, but also regional visibility. Many considered MIC to be one of the premier athletic conferences in the Midwest, voting out your two bread winners makes ZERO sense.

2. While this obviously paves the way for CG and Carmel to the HCC, let it be known this is not CG and Carmel leaving on their own accord for greener pastures. The HCC will soon become the premier conference in Indiana due to the MIC's own demise. 

“Hey boss, rumor has it that the two guys who work in the front of the store are quitting soon.”

”Not on my watch they aren’t.  They are fired.”

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18 minutes ago, temptation said:

“Hey boss, rumor has it that the two guys who work in the front of the store are quitting soon.”

”Not on my watch they aren’t.  They are fired.”

Yes rumor has it. Let Center Grove and Carmel take their ball and leave if they're really about it.

Petty move by the MIC. 

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5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Yes rumor has it. Let Center Grove and Carmel take their ball and leave if they're really about it.

Petty move by the MIC. 

I’m not sure the move itself is petty but the reasoning given is hysterical.

”Their desire to culturally align.”

”Athletics should not drive our decisions.”

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FTA:

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This past fall it came to our attention that for athletic reasons, as well as a desire to “culturally align” (as reported in the media) with surrounding suburban schools, Carmel and Center Grove were seeking placement in a different conference. 

How true is this statement?  If it is valid then I say the rest of the MIC voting them out is justified.

 

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18 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

FTA:

How true is this statement?  If it is valid then I say the rest of the MIC voting them out is justified.

 

Justified sure, still equally as petty. If Alabama openly talked about becoming an independent on the premise of receiving their own TV deal with 100% revenue share you think the SEC is going to vote them out? Of course not. 

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6 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

FTA:

How true is this statement?  If it is valid then I say the rest of the MIC voting them out is justified.

 

I guess it depends upon your definition of “seeking.”  I know they put out feelers but am not sure how serious talks became.

2 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Apparently “conferences” have egos.  Just why they couldn’t let them leave on their own but rather wanted to “one up” them before they left makes me realize that there are damn few grown ups running organizations these days.

“Hey man, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but I saw your wife out with another guy last week.”

”You better divorce her before she files for divorce.”

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So what does "culturally align" mean?  I'm hoping it's not a dog-whistle issue.

So the questions, from a purely football perspective, is "Where do Carmel and/or Center Grove land?" and "Who does the MIC court for replacement?"

So could the NCC go smaller-school and have Jeff and Harrison and perhaps Kokomo and maybe McCutcheon join with Carmel and Center Grove in a new league?  That would open up things in the NCC for the remaining schools and provide better competition for Jeff/Harrison.  Perhaps not so much for Carmel and Center Grove.  Guess it depends if HCC opens up for Carmel / Center Grove.

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1 minute ago, foxbat said:

So what does "culturally align" mean?  I'm hoping it's not a dog-whistle issue.

So the questions, from a purely football perspective, is "Where do Carmel and/or Center Grove land?" and "Who does the MIC court for replacement?"

So could the NCC go smaller-school and have Jeff and Harrison and perhaps Kokomo and maybe McCutcheon join with Carmel and Center Grove in a new league?  That would open up things in the NCC for the remaining schools and provide better competition for Jeff/Harrison.  Perhaps not so much for Carmel and Center Grove.  Guess it depends if HCC opens up for Carmel / Center Grove.

The HCC will take them.

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1 minute ago, foxbat said:

So what does "culturally align" mean?  I'm hoping it's not a dog-whistle issue.

So the questions, from a purely football perspective, is "Where do Carmel and/or Center Grove land?" and "Who does the MIC court for replacement?"

So could the NCC go smaller-school and have Jeff and Harrison and perhaps Kokomo and maybe McCutcheon join with Carmel and Center Grove in a new league?  That would open up things in the NCC for the remaining schools and provide better competition for Jeff/Harrison.  Perhaps not so much for Carmel and Center Grove.  Guess it depends if HCC opens up for Carmel / Center Grove.

I’ve heard the HCC principals and ADs are on opposite sides when it comes to bringing in Carmel and CG.

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9 minutes ago, Lysander said:

Apparently “conferences” have egos.  Just why they couldn’t let them leave on their own but rather wanted to “one up” them before they left makes me realize that there are damn few grown ups running organizations these days.

Would lead me to believe the MIC is going hunting for others and needs to control the narrative in that case.  Assuming folks believe the first release, it sells better to say "We booted them," than "They found our conference wanting, but we'd like to have you." 😀

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