ragdoll Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2021 was lost due to the subpar OL IU fielded. Penix, when teamed with DeBoer and staff has been a performer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Nice trick play for an IU TD, and then it went the normal dowhhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 #LEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komets2727 Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 I believe that college football needs to go to a relegation league like soccer in England. These type of mismatches serve no purpose for anyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 IU football can't afford Tom Allen's buyout, but can it afford the program bottoming out? https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2023/10/17/iu-football-cant-afford-fire-tom-allen-buyout-contract-so-the-descent-continues-indiana-hoosiers/71207908007/ (Note: Story is behind a paywall) Quote IU football coach Tom Allen is waffling again about his starting quarterback, and you wonder if anyone is waffling about Tom Allen. No, you don’t wonder about the fan base. The fans have decided — they’re done with Tom Allen — but when it comes to football the IU fan base is not, shall we say, impactful. Without enough alumni making enough noise (like this was IU basketball), the Hoosiers are right where they’ve been for a few years: Not good enough at quarterback, not good enough at offensive coordinator, not good enough at defensive coordinator, not good enough at head coach. Not good enough. The Hoosiers are on the hamster wheel again, where they’ve been for the better part of forever, leaving the IU administration stuck between an overmatched coach, disinterested fan base and increasingly unforgiving Big Ten Conference. Firing Tom Allen after the season will cost IU a buyout of about $20 million, a ludicrous sum that goes down to the more reasonable $8 million neighborhood after the 2024 season. That’s a difference of about $12 million, so let’s look at it that way: Firing Tom Allen after this season will cost the school about $12 million. What will it cost to keep him? .... Good question. How much farther can this program fall under Mr. Allen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Muda69 said: IU football can't afford Tom Allen's buyout, but can it afford the program bottoming out? https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2023/10/17/iu-football-cant-afford-fire-tom-allen-buyout-contract-so-the-descent-continues-indiana-hoosiers/71207908007/ (Note: Story is behind a paywall) Good question. How much farther can this program fall under Mr. Allen? No coach in America benefitted from the fool’s gold that was the Covid season than Tom Allen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komets2727 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, temptation said: No coach in America benefitted from the fool’s gold that was the Covid season than Tom Allen. Absolutely!!! I just can’t get out of my head him and the team celebrating like they won a title when they beat Akron in overtime a few weeks ago. Dumpster fire in Bloomington Edited October 17, 2023 by Komets2727 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 The test drive is over! Tom needs to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 49 minutes ago, PHJIrish said: The test drive is over! Tom needs to go! You have a short list of candidates you’re willing to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 9 hours ago, temptation said: You have a short list of candidates you’re willing to share? Tight ends coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temptation Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, BTF said: Tight ends coach. C’mon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 hours ago, temptation said: You have a short list of candidates you’re willing to share? They won't spend the $$, but they need a name coach to rip the program inside out and rebuild it....also to generate fan interest. Maybe Michigan's DC Jesse Minter or Brian Hartline (OC) from OSU. I also wonder if Washington State or Oregon State's HC's with some cash would be willing to bail and jump to a Power 5 team like Indiana?? It would take some serious cash, but they are running tremendous programs at their schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: They won't spend the $$, but they need a name coach to rip the program inside out and rebuild it....also to generate fan interest. Maybe Michigan's DC Jesse Minter or Brian Hartline (OC) from OSU. I also wonder if Washington State or Oregon State's HC's with some cash would be willing to bail and jump to a Power 5 team like Indiana?? It would take some serious cash, but they are running tremendous programs at their schools. I'd be all-in on Hartline. Kane Wommack is quietly having a great start to his career at South Alabama after a good stint as Indiana's DC a few years back. You could convince me 64 year old Willie Fritz at Tulane as a 4-5 year band aid solution is a better option. The difference in buy-out between the end of this season and the end of next season is $12million. And while that may seem like a lot, especially if they fire him after this year with his $20million buyout, it's paid over the course of his remaining contract shelf life (5 years). Indiana is about to see a major media revenue boost to start next season when these PAC12 teams are set to join. Current deal is around ~$60 million and figures estimate the new deal to be around ~$90mil a year. Indiana can "afford" to fire Tom Allen after this year. The real question is, does Indiana actually want to invest in the program. I'm talking a brand new practice/indoor facility. A weight room that is exclusive to the football team (they share with other sports). And just an overall salary pool increase to not only attract, but keep quality assistants. You can fire Tom Allen and the next guy might be better, but nothing is going to last until the latter happens. And it may never happen. Edited October 18, 2023 by Footballking16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, temptation said: C’mon. It's a better option than Allen. Can we agree that the chances of rebuilding the IU program with the tight ends coach is a better option than Tom Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, BTF said: It's a better option than Allen. Can we agree that the chances of rebuilding the IU program with the tight ends coach is a better option than Tom Allen? Both are high school coaches for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Both are high school coaches for a reason. Can't compare the two. One was successful everywhere he went. The Tulsa catastrophe doesn't count. Whereas the other couldn't win with the most resources in the state. Edited October 18, 2023 by BTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, BTF said: Can't compare the two. One was successful everywhere he went. The Tulsa catastrophe doesn't count. Whereas the other couldn't win with the most resources in the state. Neither should be coaching a B10 program. If they fire Allen just to promote Kevin Wright, well I'm done lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Footballking16 said: I'd be all-in on Hartline. Kane Wommack is quietly having a great start to his career at South Alabama after a good stint as Indiana's DC a few years back. You could convince me 64 year old Willie Fritz at Tulane as a 4-5 year band aid solution is a better option. The difference in buy-out between the end of this season and the end of next season is $12million. And while that may seem like a lot, especially if they fire him after this year with his $20million buyout, it's paid over the course of his remaining contract shelf life (5 years). Indiana is about to see a major media revenue boost to start next season when these PAC12 teams are set to join. Current deal is around ~$60 million and figures estimate the new deal to be around ~$90mil a year. Indiana can "afford" to fire Tom Allen after this year. The real question is, does Indiana actually want to invest in the program. I'm talking a brand new practice/indoor facility. A weight room that is exclusive to the football team (they share with other sports). And just an overall salary pool increase to not only attract, but keep quality assistants. You can fire Tom Allen and the next guy might be better, but nothing is going to last until the latter happens. And it may never happen. No disagreement with the buyout...I was talking more about spending the $$ to bring an outstanding established head coach from a Power 5 school. Jonathan Smith (Oregon State HC) Jake Dikert (Washington St HC) are not going to be cheap to bring in. Smith maybe a pipe dream given he's an Oregon St alum, but Dikert is a Wisconsin guy and IU no reason couldn't get him back to the midwest. But IU would need to spend some $$ on football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Neither should be coaching a B10 program. If they fire Allen just to promote Kevin Wright, well I'm done lol. I'm just wondering why he's still the tight ends coach after four years. Is he just waiting his turn in line? Certainly he has more to offer a program than coaching the tight ends. Maybe he's content with low stress, good pay? I'm not promoting him as the next coach at IU, I just think he's probably smarter than the guy he works for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: Neither should be coaching a B10 program. If they fire Allen just to promote Kevin Wright, well I'm done lol. Agreed 100%. Heck, Wright hasn't been able to get promoted to the OC role at IU under Allen, let along HC. 1 minute ago, BTF said: I'm just wondering why he's still the tight ends coach after four years. Is he just waiting his turn in line? Certainly he has more to offer a program than coaching the tight ends. Maybe he's content with low stress, good pay? I'm not promoting him as the next coach at IU, I just think he's probably smarter than the guy he works for. That's fair...agree with that....but just don't see Wright being considered as HC of a Power 5 program without being a coordinator. But, who knows?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Agreed 100%. Heck, Wright hasn't been able to get promoted to the OC role at IU under Allen, let along HC. That's fair...agree with that....but just don't see Wright being considered as HC of a Power 5 program without being a coordinator. But, who knows?? Agree. It would never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballking16 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BTF said: I'm just wondering why he's still the tight ends coach after four years. Is he just waiting his turn in line? Certainly he has more to offer a program than coaching the tight ends. Maybe he's content with low stress, good pay? I'm not promoting him as the next coach at IU, I just think he's probably smarter than the guy he works for. He's still likely getting a nice $200-300k salary a year coaching TE's. I really don't know what he does at IU. The guy before him recruited both Ian Thomas and Peyton Hendershot (both NFL) and after inheriting Hendershot for his senior year, the TE room has been awful under Wright's direction. 2/3 top TE's this year are walk-ons with one being a lacrosse player from Chicago who came to IU without ever playing a down of football in high school. Edited October 18, 2023 by Footballking16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Sure has a decent sized staff. QC coaches....wonder what is considered as acceptable quality?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial_Observer Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: Sure has a decent sized staff. QC coaches....wonder what is considered as acceptable quality?? Assistant Director of Graphic Design……hey at least they’re keeping the unis fresh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishman Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 Everything changes after this season. While some change has occurred with NIL and the transfer portal, the game changes completely with the expanded playoff and expanded conferences for next season. Competitive programs will have to find ways to pay players. Schools have to be willing to commit to that. Even now, I don’t believe admins in Bloomington have shown a willingness to do so. I agree that Hartline is a guy to consider, but I am certain he goes to any school and starts out by saying, here is what we do in Columbus to have a top tier program; if you are not willing to commit to that, I am not your guy. I would even say the same for a guy like Mike Hart, who would also be a solid prospect. Joel Klatt said it best during the game Saturday; teams in a position where IU is are basically a farm team. Kids that are not highly recruited will go there, play one season and look for opportunities elsewhere. Guys at IU not getting playing time will likely go to a non power 5 conference to get playing time. Unless IU makes a huge push to pay some solid talent, they will be stuck where they are regardless of who the head coach is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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