Warren Central Open.. Kirschner resigns

[gonzoron]

8 minutes ago, Sparty said:

That’s at least 365 days.  ANYWAY to narrow it down?

A history teacher should be able to figure it out.

[BTF]

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

 

how about the early 1000s. what a time to be alive.

Alive? Half those guys are about to be dead.

[BDGiant93]

On 12/19/2024 at 12:33 PM, temptation said:

Not trying to be a dick, but what makes you so sure?

He's a good offensive mind. 

[temptation]

2 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

He's a good offensive mind. 

Got any receipts on Kirschner?  Pretty sure you said he’d be successful at Warren too.

[FastpacedO]

On 12/29/2024 at 12:13 PM, temptation said:

Clown on the guy all you want but he currently has 19k folks following his Facebook group.

The GID is a pinprick of that.

How many of that 19K you think came from when it was spammed with explicit content?

I didn't have many issues with DT he was a pretty good dart thrower! There were a couple of issues through the years I had with him. He definitely was under the impression the GID would be nowhere without him, yet it is still standing.

[BDGiant93]

On 1/3/2025 at 6:12 PM, temptation said:

Got any receipts on Kirschner?  Pretty sure you said he’d be successful at Warren too.

You just pick fights. Have a good day.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

You just pick fights. Have a good day.

Asking for justification for an opinion is picking a fight, lol?

 

Edited January 7, 2025 by temptation

[BDGiant93]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Asking for justification for an opinion is picking a fight, lol?

 

No. You'll just go around and round no matter what I say, so...

Call it a New Year's Resolution. 

[Coach Nowlin]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:33 AM, temptation said:

When the Girl Scouts, Ron in this case, come to my door and try to sell me cookies, their sales pitch determines how many boxes I’ll buy.  Deep down I know it’s for a good cause and that my donation (or lack thereof) will not make or break their finances.

The GID has a leadership problem.  There are some good dudes that moderate, but the pathetic mud slinging, name calling, and gang mentality, combined with the elitism rubs me the wrong way.  Too many wannabe chiefs and not enough Indians.  And the wannabes get a longer leash than the Indians.

Now, I could just pack up and leave (which I’m sure will be many’s suggestion upon reading this post) but I enjoy the friendly banter and talking football with the majority of the posters on here.

My style may come across as abrasive or rub people the wrong way but I’m not particularly worried about people’s feelings, particularly when discussing a non-life or death subject like football.

 

 

 

Ok, literally just saw all of this, never clicked this thread over my Xmas break where I didn't turn on my laptop for about 10 days (glorious btw to unplug).  Now it makes more sense from the NFL/College tone that I did see way before this, now it makes sense on how and why some of those tones were being taken in there based on these back and forth.  Gotcha. 

Believe it or not, the "Leadership Team" does not poke around every thread, now back in my hey day of being on here like many of you known, workin the computer lab, yes, I literally read EVERYTHING on EVERY FORUM we had, you know long 8 hours in credit recovery, but I digress.  

I will take blame on DONATIONS here, this was something that again, when I was in the lab, was really good at doing what @BTF mentioned on a a post in this thread, making a general Topic post/thread, and keeping that alive vs posting links in other threads that are "hot". for donations.  Though I have done that previously, but in different manner.   I did create what @foxbat referred to back in the day on bets being taken but for donations to GID.   

On 12/29/2024 at 11:13 AM, temptation said:

Clown on the guy all you want but he currently has 19k folks following his Facebook group.

The GID is a pinprick of that.

I can speak on this, I joined day 1, 1998/99, computer lab, Purdue, when the threads would just fall off and disappear, not many of us left who remember the 1st tech of GID under the leadership of Coach Tim Adams and his vision of what he wanted this site to be:  #1 place in Indiana to come together to talk and PROMOTE (that was huge for TA) Indiana High School Teams, Players, Coaches.  His pet project he started when he was coaching quickly turned to full time passion, gave up coaching, led this into the mid 00's and its boom if you will.   There was some real real knock down drag out discussion that TA led with many many great posters, some still here today, like @Muda69 and REBEL DAD, now @Rodney, that was POPCORN stuff right there.   

Temp, you have no idea what it was like for Muda and others vs THE HORDE,   you talk about the gain mentality here now, my goodness, that was something quite wild compared to these days, but here was the major differences, folks attacked policies, opinions of the member, not the member, TA was VERY much a non negotiable on that.  

TA was as deep man of Faith as well, him and his wife @Mrs Gridirondigest were very much a proponent of the simple rule of thumb of language that gets you a 15 yard penalty shouldn't be used here, now that has been loosened up quite a bit around these parts these, days, but on this main forum, the main HS led forum, we try to keep it to that original manta by TA.   

Message boards when this place was born was all the rave, this was before MYSPACE even, then social media which this website is a form of communication, but not sure its considered a social media site per se, but now Social Media in 2025 rules the day, Facebook, X, Tok Tik (I do it on purpose, it bothers my teenage daughter and I think its funny) Instagram, these sites are now ingrained into the every day lives of humans WORLD WIDE.   Message boards are not, so having a football Facebook page with 19k, followers isn't not quite the flex I think you think it is, 2 completely separate modes of media information sharing and as stated Facebook for MANY is daily routine (I have not own one of those pages however but do however choose other like X for instance, give me a follow @Eric Nowlin if you want all the OUTRUNNERS and TURBO FLOYD smoke you can handle)  

@temptation you probably are not aware, this site was so big and popular, Coach Adams turned out a real nice chunk of change to sell out the site and its membership to Rivals who wanted to take it and put it under their umbrella, he resisted the urge to get paid for his work to keep his Mission alive, a common place for fans of Indiana high school football to come and discuss, banter, about the greatest sport there is Football.   Instead, TA ended up working for Rivals as a correspondent.   Coach Adams used to have meet up at the State finals with his community members willing to stop by and say hello to him, with his GID hat on !!!   Famous picture out there of @DK_Barons @77Jimmie (the 1st 2 Moderators under the Adams Days) all discussing the big plans for this place with Wings and Beverages flowing.   

@Bobref and Coach Adams would meet many times because Bob was pretty brave at the time to step out, be open about his role within the sport of football with the hope to educate, promote the game from the Officials lens, you got to understand what this was like in 2004-2008 ish, that was not normal, that made many coaches uneasy as Bob took unnecessary heat from coaches who somehow were parnoid on this internet machine thing back 20 plus years ago, and all that.  

On 12/29/2024 at 11:52 AM, foxbat said:

How do you get clowning out of a factual statement?  He always looked at GID as a monetized business, but that's not really its business model.  Anyone who was around back when Tim Adams was running it realized that very quickly.  It's still being run by volunteers in the same vein.  It's a different business model. 

 

BINGO, Thanks my Friend, hope to meet up at Walts again one day........

On 12/29/2024 at 12:08 PM, BTF said:

Lol, might depend on the value of your donation. Just don't curse. They don't like it when Rodney says bad words. 

See above, and the Reasoning behind that standard.  

On 12/29/2024 at 1:24 PM, BTF said:

Well, if I recal, you singled some people out publicly. I'm a believer that nothing good comes from that. You're better off sending private messages to posters. But if you much say something publicly, address everyone, not just a few. For example:

Dear Members, 

If you haven't made a donation in the past 12 months, the GID would greatly appreciate your generosity. To put into perspective, a date night at the movies with your significant other cost's $30 and it's over in two hours. The GID provides entertainment for some of us 365 days a year. A minimum donation of $30 doesn't seem like too much to ask. Thank you for being loyal members of the club and thanks in advance for your donations. 

You know, something like that. But that's just me. 

See above, exactly and I will take blame here, I will be better in the future on this role 

On 12/29/2024 at 1:56 PM, gonzoron said:

I'm not here to be served. Tell your wife to fix you a sandwich if you want to give out directives, you're wasting your time by trying it with me. I'm having a great Sunday enjoying my ad free GID.

Now what is REAL REAL FUNNY, a blast from the WAY past machine, maybe about 5 or 6 years ago, maybe longer, we had a very interesting member here, coach, went about attempting to earn HC jobs in a unqiue way, anyways, he wasn't a booster and he was complaining about ADS pulling on on this site and I believe Porn and other type of sedacious ADs, well what he didn't understand was @DK_Barons area of expertise and whatver does to set this palce up, when you don't donate, cool, here some ads, right, the ADS are through your persona algo that the interent tracks you with, so if you spend all your time lets say searching and reading about bicycles, the AD you would see would be BIKE RELATED topics, etc.   you know I think most now in 2025 understand the ALGO and your internet history and what it does, but man was that FUNNY as all get out when DK publiclly told him how it went and why he was getting those type of ads.  

 

 

I know that was VERY LONG messages but just felt like wanted to shed light on things, I enjoy this place, I enjoy its mission, I have tried to be fair and just in situations that come our way with decisions made on "report button" or our own moderations we see.  It saddens me to see this community is 2k short still on the year, like I said, I will take blame, I will be better on that moving forward into next year, I appreciate everyone who chooses to participate in our community, do I wish some of you would just know when to stop the drama, sure, is it annoying babystting adults at times,, you bet it is, but I just hope we all understand the WHY you should be here and live up to some of what Coach Tim Adams wanted this place to be.   

@gonzoron  I appolgize for what I woud assume is multitude of grammer and spellin errers.   

 

[Muda69]

9 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

 There was some real real knock down drag out discussion that TA led with many many great posters, some still here today, like @Muda69 and REBEL DAD, now @Rodney, that was POPCORN stuff right there.   

Temp, you have no idea what it was like for Muda and others vs THE HORDE,   you talk about the gain mentality here now, my goodness, that was something quite wild compared to these days, but here was the major differences, folks attacked policies, opinions of the member, not the member, TA was VERY much a non negotiable on that.  

 

Those were some very intellectually stimulating times on the GID.  Anybody who remembers the Hurricane Scirfes debacle can surely relate.  Wish I could find the picture which was uploaded to the GID that started that argument.

Oh, and 96-0. Never forget.

 

[Coach Nowlin]

Just now, Muda69 said:

Those were some very intellectually stimulating times on the GID.  Anybody who remembers the Hurricane Scirfes debacle can surely relate.  Wish I could find the picture which was uploaded to the GID that started that argument.

Oh, and 96-0. Never forget.

 

Exactly, PASSIONATELY debated, not just for a few days, YEARS of the Roncalli 4 year run followed by the LCC run 

but it didn't derail to was non stop report pushing personal shots flying toward people, challenge the message you bet, challenge the person behind the message rather then the message itself is just the opposite of intelltucally stimulation you referred to 

[Rodney]

3 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Exactly, PASSIONATELY debated, not just for a few days, YEARS of the Roncalli 4 year run followed by the LCC run 

but it didn't derail to was non stop report pushing personal shots flying toward people, challenge the message you bet, challenge the person behind the message rather then the message itself is just the opposite of intelltucally stimulation you referred to 

If I wanted to find a specific post from roughly 2008-9 would that be possible or are they gone

[gonzoron]

11 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

@gonzoron  I appolgize for what I woud assume is multitude of grammer and spellin errers.   

I'm not going to read all that to find out, but you're on my "gets a free pass" list anyway.

I usually only correct those who are a little too full of themselves and/or make a mistake in a fit of keyboard rage.

[Coach Nowlin]

10 hours ago, Rodney said:

If I wanted to find a specific post from roughly 2008-9 would that be possible or are they gone

oh my,  I hear there something called the way back machine on the internet, however, not sure how that works

I will say this, however, this site has crashed and been rebuilt I think 2 or 3 times since Coach Adams passing in 2010, so my guess its all POOF 

[BTF]

38 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

oh my,  I hear there something called the way back machine on the internet, however, not sure how that works

I will say this, however, this site has crashed and been rebuilt I think 2 or 3 times since Coach Adams passing in 2010, so my guess its all POOF 

Please tell me that our information is at least guaranteed for seven years :). 

[Coach Nowlin]

Above my pay grade my friend 

When DK starts talking his jibberish I go into the fetal position 

[WCGrad92]

On 1/3/2025 at 6:12 PM, temptation said:

Got any receipts on Kirschner?  Pretty sure you said he’d be successful at Warren too.

i dont get your lack of respect for this man. He out-coaches and to be honest at this point Out- Humans you every day of the week. 

I normally just sit back and let people spout off whatever non sense they see fit, but I cant on this one.

If you would like to discuss this further, feel free to DM me.

[temptation]

6 minutes ago, WCGrad92 said:

i dont get your lack of respect for this man. He out-coaches and to be honest at this point Out- Humans you every day of the week. 

I normally just sit back and let people spout off whatever non sense they see fit, but I cant on this one.

If you would like to discuss this further, feel free to DM me.

Not a lack of respect at all.  I would believe he would also call his tenure at Warren unsuccessful based on the expectations that program has, no?

 

[WCGrad92]

What you believe and what is real are two totally different things.

[Rodney]

1 hour ago, Coach Nowlin said:

oh my,  I hear there something called the way back machine on the internet, however, not sure how that works

I will say this, however, this site has crashed and been rebuilt I think 2 or 3 times since Coach Adams passing in 2010, so my guess its all POOF 

Unfortunate some good history could be dug up of my first 19 accounts I mean some other guy

[temptation]

41 minutes ago, WCGrad92 said:

What you believe and what is real are two totally different things.

REAL:  Warren Central has won 9 state championships in football and the expectation/standard is that they compete for state titles annually.  This is not what I "believe" rather what every person in Warren Township would tell you.

ALSO REAL:  Mike Kirschner never advanced past the regional and was 26-19 in his tenure as Warren Central head coach.

Not sure what we are debating here.

[foxbat]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

Please tell me that our information is at least guaranteed for seven years :). 

Expecting an audit?

[BTF]

13 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Expecting an audit?

All bets are off with the IRS. I'm sure they'll want access to my GID account :(. 

[WCGrad92]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

REAL:  Warren Central has won 9 state championships in football and the expectation/standard is that they compete for state titles annually.  This is not what I "believe" rather what every person in Warren Township would tell you.

ALSO REAL:  Mike Kirschner never advanced past the regional and was 26-19 in his tenure as Warren Central head coach.

Not sure what we are debating here.

Im not debating, just reacting to your exact comment.   

 "I would believe he would also call his tenure at Warren unsuccessful"

 

What you believe to be Coach K's assessment of his coaching tenure at WC and what his actually assessment is are 2 totally different things.

 

You act as if you coach HS Football or have any knowledge of doing so, or what it takes to do so.

Ill do you one better,  I WOULD SAY that he would find his coaching tenure quite the success if the young men he coached moved on to being better human beings in life. Not only was he the HC of WC Football, he is also the AD at WCHS.

Despite what the public thinks, being a football coach is SO MUCH MORE than Wins and Losses.

Been around this block for quite awhile, grew up on the eastside, graduated from WC, I dont need a history lesson.

 

 

[temptation]

39 minutes ago, WCGrad92 said:

Im not debating, just reacting to your exact comment.   

 "I would believe he would also call his tenure at Warren unsuccessful"

 

What you believe to be Coach K's assessment of his coaching tenure at WC and what his actually assessment is are 2 totally different things.

 

You act as if you coach HS Football or have any knowledge of doing so, or what it takes to do so.

Ill do you one better,  I WOULD SAY that he would find his coaching tenure quite the success if the young men he coached moved on to being better human beings in life. Not only was he the HC of WC Football, he is also the AD at WCHS.

Despite what the public thinks, being a football coach is SO MUCH MORE than Wins and Losses.

Been around this block for quite awhile, grew up on the eastside, graduated from WC, I dont need a history lesson.

 

 

You act as if I insulted the man’s character…I am simply referring to the product on the field.  Wins and losses.

Agree or not, high school football (and many other sports) have become cutthroat and are following the college model, particularly at larger schools.

Sure there are stories off of the field that many folks don’t know but my message is regarding the product on the field.

Both winning and developing young men of high character can be accomplished but also can be independent of one another.

Don’t doubt he did the latter but the proof is in the pudding as it relates to the former.