Indiana annexes Illinois

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, gonzoron said:

More than they already are?

I don't get the question. Maybe you're just stalking me, I dunno. 

[gonzoron]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

I don't get the question. Maybe you're just stalking me, I dunno. 

Might be.

[Alduflux]

Regarding class structure for an expanded state tournament, how many schools would Indiana be willing to absorb and maintain the all-in format?

If 200 Illinois schools joined our tournament (almost all 4a and smaller), would we simply add more classes to absorb them or would a qualification system be implemented?

[Bobref]

10 minutes ago, Alduflux said:

Regarding class structure for an expanded state tournament, how many schools would Indiana be willing to absorb and maintain the all-in format?

If 200 Illinois schools joined our tournament (almost all 4a and smaller), would we simply add more classes to absorb them or would a qualification system be implemented?

More classes would create another problem. How many games can you play on Thanksgiving weekend?

[Irishman]

11 minutes ago, Alduflux said:

Regarding class structure for an expanded state tournament, how many schools would Indiana be willing to absorb and maintain the all-in format?

If 200 Illinois schools joined our tournament (almost all 4a and smaller), would we simply add more classes to absorb them or would a qualification system be implemented?

I saw somewhere that Indiana would see an overall population drop by approximately 1 million people from where it is now. Illinois would see a gain of about 1 million.  So it might not be an issue as far as keeping the all in format. 

[23andCounting]

40 minutes ago, Irishman said:

I saw somewhere that Indiana would see an overall population drop by approximately 1 million people from where it is now. Illinois would see a gain of about 1 million.  So it might not be an issue as far as keeping the all in format. 

Fort Wayne would finally get a much needed interstate moving west out of the city toward Chicago. Wouldn't have to worry about Indianapolis sapping more than their fair share of state funding for a change. Just sayin. 

[US31]

16 hours ago, Irishman said:

I saw somewhere that Indiana would see an overall population drop by approximately 1 million people from where it is now. Illinois would see a gain of about 1 million.  So it might not be an issue as far as keeping the all in format. 

I'm confused by this....if (in our hypothetical, fairy tail secession of counties from IL to IN) counties leave IL for IN how would Indiana lose population?

16 hours ago, Bobref said:

More classes would create another problem. How many games can you play on Thanksgiving weekend?

I had previously been told that this number is already six (3 per day)?...but that wasn't from North Meridian, it was from IFCA.  And it was a few years back.  

[Irishman]

5 minutes ago, US31 said:

I'm confused by this....if (in our hypothetical, fairy tail secession of counties from IL to IN) counties leave IL for IN how would Indiana lose population?

 

I was basing it on the map that was posted with proposed boundaries. 

[Bobref]

42 minutes ago, US31 said:

I'm confused by this....if (in our hypothetical, fairy tail secession of counties from IL to IN) counties leave IL for IN how would Indiana lose population?

I had previously been told that this number is already six (3 per day)?...but that wasn't from North Meridian, it was from IFCA.  And it was a few years back.  

I don’t see how it’s possible to play more than 3 per day if using a single site.

[CoachMack219]

3 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I don’t see how it’s possible to play more than 3 per day if using a single site.

Illinois accomplishes 8 quite nicely. 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, CoachMack219 said:

Illinois accomplishes 8 quite nicely. 

As does Michigan.

[US31]

The interwebs tells me...

• Illinois is 10, 1, 4, 7 kickoff time
• Michigan is 9:30, 12:30, 4, 7

Those morning games are early wake-ups for those teams, even if you traveled the night before.  Do they do awards on the field after the games?

For reference, Indiana is 11, 3, 7...I still feel like that is tight sometimes, with the onfield awards and pregame warm up time.

[Bobref]

4 minutes ago, US31 said:

For reference, Indiana is 11, 3, 7...I still feel like that is tight sometimes, with the onfield awards and pregame warm up time.

This.

[scarab527]

1 hour ago, CoachMack219 said:

Illinois accomplishes 8 quite nicely. 

4 games per day can definitely be done, but Illinois does have the advantage of no time change. Having CT teams play at what would be like 9 AM their time after a long trip would be pretty tough. Also you'd have to cut the medal ceremony, etc., Illinois just presents the trophy to the winning team (personally I'd like that anyway but I'm sure some people would make a stink). The schedule needs to be followed super tightly as well, this year Illinois got pretty behind schedule on Saturday and the 8A game didn't finish until pretty late.

 

Not to get too off topic (but this topic is dumb anyway tbh), all that to say I would actually support at least one more class in Indiana HSFB (not for the big schools, to me Illinois gets it way more accurate by splitting up the smaller schools. 4A having a range of about 800-1500 kids is just ridiculous to me). 

 

EDIT: See some others already brought these concerns up while I was typing. Either way, don't think any of these are legit obstacles. If there's a will, there's a way. 

Edited February 28, 2025 by scarab527

[Irishman]

36 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

Not to get too off topic (but this topic is dumb anyway tbh)

I think most of us agree with you, but HB 1008 passed out of the Indiana House and is in the Senate. 

[crimsonace1]

11 minutes ago, Irishman said:

I think most of us agree with you, but HB 1008 passed out of the Indiana House and is in the Senate. 

Even if it passes, the counties would have to agree to join Indiana (rather than form their own state) AND Congress would have to approve (which it likely wouldn't). 

[Irishman]

2 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

Even if it passes, the counties would have to agree to join Indiana (rather than form their own state) AND Congress would have to approve (which it likely wouldn't). 

Oh I know....it just all adds to the point of just how ridiculous the whole thing is; especially the legislators who voted in favor of it, including those in the committee it passed out of, and even more so that the House Speaker allowed this nonsense to even get an initial hearing. 

[scarab527]

3 minutes ago, Irishman said:

Oh I know....it just all adds to the point of just how ridiculous the whole thing is; especially the legislators who voted in favor of it, including those in the committee it passed out of, and even more so that the House Speaker allowed this nonsense to even get an initial hearing. 

Politicians love stunts for brownie points...especially when they know these stunts will lead to no actual changes or anything meaningful. 

[US31]

2 hours ago, scarab527 said:

The schedule needs to be followed super tightly as well, this year Illinois got pretty behind schedule on Saturday and the 8A game didn't finish until pretty late.

Fact check true!!  Holy cow....that game didn't end until 11:37!  And it wasn't that long of a game

(I find it humerous that a game that kicked off after 9pm in November was described as "sunny")

Edited February 28, 2025 by US31

[Yuccaguy]

3 minutes ago, US31 said:

Fact check true!!  Holy cow....that game didn't end until 11:37!  And it wasn't that long of a game

As an official.  that TEMPERATURE is more of an issue for me.  Damn...22?

Thank goodness for Lucas Oil Stadium.... 

[US31]

1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said:

As an official.  that TEMPERATURE is more of an issue for me.  Damn...22?

Thank goodness for Lucas Oil Stadium.... 

But it was "Sunny"😇

[Goose Liver]

On 2/14/2025 at 6:18 PM, Sparty said:

Who said there was?

I guess I misunderstood your Double Dip comment.

[crimsonace1]

On 2/27/2025 at 5:50 PM, Irishman said:

I saw somewhere that Indiana would see an overall population drop by approximately 1 million people from where it is now. Illinois would see a gain of about 1 million.  So it might not be an issue as far as keeping the all in format. 

Population may drop by that much, but I don't know if that will lead to an overall reduction in schools. A lot of smaller schools are already as consolidated as they're going to get. I could see financial pressures causing a consolidation like Parke Heritage's in some places where you might have two schools in shrinking communities close to each other like you might find in Wayne or Randolph Counties, but I don't see too many of them. What it *may* do, especially without co-ops, is shrink the number of schools playing 11-man football. 

A much bigger issue is if this hypothetical goes through (and it likely won't) is that Illinois allows co-ops - and had a long, long-standing tradition of co-op programs (especially in football). Indiana does not. That could lead to some issues. 

[Muda69]

The big question is what do you do with same-name counties?  For example I know there are both Clay and Greene counties in both states. And I believe the Illinois counties are ones that have voted to secede. 

A fight to the death between county residents to see who gets to keep their county name?

 

[Southside]

49 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

The big question is what do you do with same-name counties?  For example I know there are both Clay and Greene counties in both states. And I believe the Illinois counties are ones that have voted to secede. 

A fight to the death between county residents to see who gets to keep their county name?

 

The losing county will have to change their name to a symbol that will mean "The county formerly know as..."