Covenent Christian - Why Privates Never Belong in 1A Football

[DE]

39 minutes ago, Grandpa B said:

 Did not come from an upbringing of having people pay my debt.  Does not seem "fair" to me that people that worked two jobs in college and had debt coming out, paid off their debt, but people who had no job in college and not paid their debt get it paid off.   Seems wrong on so many levels.  Like a 2.0 multiplier.  Punish those that work hard.   Yea, that is a great plan for society today.  

AMEN!

[FastpacedO]

47 minutes ago, DT said:

No  I meant South Newton, his high school.  They are 1-48 over past 5 seasons.  But Gipp feels CC has no competitive advantage over his beloved Rebels   To each his own

That is like asking if Center Grove has a competitive advantage over Lake Central. I mean they are both 6A Public Schools right.

[Muda69]

1 hour ago, Grandpa B said:

 Did not come from an upbringing of having people pay my debt.  Does not seem "fair" to me that people that worked two jobs in college and had debt coming out, paid off their debt, but people who had no job in college and not paid their debt get it paid off.   Seems wrong on so many levels.  Like a 2.0 multiplier.  Punish those that work hard.   Yea, that is a great plan for society today.  

Rack this Post. 

TheStatGuy is an unabashed Biden-bot that supports anything put forward by 11-trillion Joe and his plans to further bankrupt the country.   He belives "taxing the rich" will pay for all this new socialism.   Can't wait to see him whine when the IRS comes for his modest bank account.......................

 

[Coach Nowlin]

I have had to clean up too many posts in this thread.  

Thin ice friends.  

 

[FastpacedO]

21 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I have had to clean up too many posts in this thread.  

Thin ice friends.  

 

[Bobref]

46 minutes ago, FastpacedO said:

That is like asking if Center Grove has a competitive advantage over Lake Central. I mean they are both 6A Public Schools right.

Just so I’m sure I understand your point, does your concept of “competitive advantage” imply that the advantage is somehow unearned. The illustration I come up with is the well-demonstrated correlation between socioeconomics and athletic participation rates. That’s “unearned,” outside the school or program’s control. But something like a great weight room is not.

[FastpacedO]

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Just so I’m sure I understand your point, does your concept of “competitive advantage” imply that the advantage is somehow unearned. The illustration I come up with is the well-demonstrated correlation between socioeconomics and athletic participation rates. That’s “unearned,” outside the school or program’s control. But something like a great weight room is not.

Were you meaning to quote my post?

[Bobref]

Just now, FastpacedO said:

Were you meaning to quote my post?

Yes.

[Guest DT]

2 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

That is like asking if Center Grove has a competitive advantage over Lake Central. I mean they are both 6A Public Schools right.

There is no comparison betrween the two

[FastpacedO]

5 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Yes.

I'm simply stating to ask if Covenant Christion who is 56-10 over the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over South Newton 1-48 over the last 5 seasons like asking if Center Grove who is 48-18 the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over Lake Central who is 12-38 over the last 5 seasons. It's not an accurate comparison between South Newton and Covington Christian. Yes CC is having a successful season. They also happen to have players that are Seniors that have been starting since Freshman and Sophomore years and took some lumps. I don't know much about the Warriors. What I do know is I can go look at their stats and the players with numbers have been on their roster the last few years playing those positions. I would guess after those guys graduate it will be a big drop off and young players that will have to fill in and take a 3-4 year starters place without having played on a Freshman or JV team. They have a very small roster. Maybe they will have enough returning, but maybe they have some players that garnered enough experience to put them in this position. 

1 minute ago, DT said:

There is no comparison betrween the two

And why do you say that?

[TheStatGuy]

2 hours ago, Obi-Wan said:

It is hard to think of a time where Pioneer wasn't good at football. I believe that this is year 25 of having a winning record.

It is. 

But I can remember years where they lost multiple games in conference (96,98,99,00,01)  

I think eventually theyll have a down year and have a losing season and a .500 season. 

[Gipper]

1 minute ago, TheStatGuy said:

It is. 

But I can remember years where they lost multiple games in conference (96,98,99,00,01)  

I think eventually theyll have a down year and have a losing season and a .500 season. 

Me, too.  I don’t just make thus crap up.

[TheStatGuy]

1 minute ago, Gipper said:

Me, too.  I don’t just make thus crap up.

Never said you did?

[gonzoron]

4 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Me, too.  I don’t just make thus crap up.

Are you Obi-Wan?

[Gipper]

37 minutes ago, TheStatGuy said:

Never said you did?

Lol.

34 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Are you Obi-Wan?

The tag inside my underwear says Gipper.

[Obi-Wan]

1 minute ago, Gipper said:

Lol.

The tag inside my underwear says Gipper.

Would be cool to talk to yourself if I were you are you were me

[Gipper]

2 minutes ago, Obi-Wan said:

Would be cool to talk to yourself if I were you are you were me

Have a great day, my man!

And, the Force will be with you always...

[gonzoron]

20 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Lol.

The tag inside my underwear says Gipper.

Hi Gipper, I'm 5XL. Nice to meet you.

[foxbat]

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

I'm simply stating to ask if Covenant Christion who is 56-10 over the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over South Newton 1-48 over the last 5 seasons like asking if Center Grove who is 48-18 the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over Lake Central who is 12-38 over the last 5 seasons. It's not an accurate comparison between South Newton and Covington Christian. Yes CC is having a successful season. They also happen to have players that are Seniors that have been starting since Freshman and Sophomore years and took some lumps. I don't know much about the Warriors. What I do know is I can go look at their stats and the players with numbers have been on their roster the last few years playing those positions. I would guess after those guys graduate it will be a big drop off and young players that will have to fill in and take a 3-4 year starters place without having played on a Freshman or JV team. They have a very small roster. Maybe they will have enough returning, but maybe they have some players that garnered enough experience to put them in this position. 

And why do you say that?

It's kind of like last year with TPCS.  Folks talked about how quickly they got to a sectional championship with LCC and had been in the sectional title the year before ... and they probably would have again this season too, except that folks also didn't look at the details which seemed to indicate more about classes than the program as a whole.  They started out their first two seasons 0-8 and 0-9, then went 3-6, 4-5, 5-4.  Then they went 10-2 and 9-2 and people took notice talking about their advantage with their two sectional championship appearances in two years.  This year they went 4-4 with losses to Frontier, Park Tudor, and Lutheran in 1A and Lapel in 2A.  This season you could see the drop off from the last two seasons as they graduated a fairly decent chunk of talent ... which didn't need to be a lot since they really didn't have big numbers last season.

[Guest DT]

1 hour ago, FastpacedO said:

I'm simply stating to ask if Covenant Christion who is 56-10 over the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over South Newton 1-48 over the last 5 seasons like asking if Center Grove who is 48-18 the last 5 seasons has a competitive advantage over Lake Central who is 12-38 over the last 5 seasons. It's not an accurate comparison between South Newton and Covington Christian. Yes CC is having a successful season. They also happen to have players that are Seniors that have been starting since Freshman and Sophomore years and took some lumps. I don't know much about the Warriors. What I do know is I can go look at their stats and the players with numbers have been on their roster the last few years playing those positions. I would guess after those guys graduate it will be a big drop off and young players that will have to fill in and take a 3-4 year starters place without having played on a Freshman or JV team. They have a very small roster. Maybe they will have enough returning, but maybe they have some players that garnered enough experience to put them in this position. 

And why do you say that?

LC and CG are very similar.  Both highly regarded schools in wealthy suburbs.  Similar demographis and socio economic make up  Both have top notch facilities and good community support.  Difference is CG has total football buy in, LC does not.  

CC is in th middle of Indy and surrounded by communities loaded with talent.  SN sits out in a cornfield as a rural school and has limited enrollment potential

[Gipper]

17 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Hi Gipper, I'm 5XL. Nice to meet you.

You as well.

[TheStatGuy]

9 minutes ago, foxbat said:

It's kind of like last year with TPCS.  Folks talked about how quickly they got to a sectional championship with LCC and had been in the sectional title the year before ... and they probably would have again this season too, except that folks also didn't look at the details which seemed to indicate more about classes than the program as a whole.  They started out their first two seasons 0-8 and 0-9, then went 3-6, 4-5, 5-4.  Then they went 10-2 and 9-2 and people took notice talking about their advantage with their two sectional championship appearances in two years.  This year they went 4-4 with losses to Frontier, Park Tudor, and Lutheran in 1A and Lapel in 2A.  This season you could see the drop off from the last two seasons as they graduated a fairly decent chunk of talent ... which didn't need to be a lot since they really didn't have big numbers last season.

Seems with Covenant that

They return over 300 rushing yards and 5 tds. They return 73 receiving yards and 2 tds. 

Their 3rd leading rusher is their 2nd leading tackler.  They also return their leading tackler and 3 other guys that had 30+ tackles... From what said on here they got a talented sophomore class so atleast 2 more good years coming. 

 

[PHJIrish]

5 hours ago, Obi-Wan said:

It is hard to think of a time where Pioneer wasn't good at football. I believe that this is year 25 of having a winning record.

Sheridan had a run of a lot of 1A championships, but that was before football message boards.  DT would have had a fit in those days!

6 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Another AMEN!

I am agreeing with you!

[Guest DT]

4 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

Sheridan had a run of a lot of 1A championships, but that was before football message boards.  DT would have had a fit in those days!

I am agreeing with you!

Sheridan was a 1A public school that won championships within its enrollment based classification.  No issues there.

[PHJIrish]

Just now, DT said:

Sheridan was a 1A public school that won championships within its enrollment based classification.  No issues there.

Oh, so it's only the small private schools that you dislike winning state championships.  Now you've admitted it.