jcat69 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Sagarin and Harrell, what would our Indiana football lives be without them? I can't imagine being without them. Much more valuable than than this website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Sagarin is almost accurate in the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Give or take a few hiccups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snrmike Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I like to use the Sagarin system as it was originally designed. Total offense performance and total defense performance. As the season rolls along, those numbers start getting more and more accurate. I rarely look at Jeff's numbers for the first 2 (or even 3) weeks. Data is still being compiled during that period. I also never place a lot of stock in pure computer generated rankings. As Gipper sez "on the field". That's where we play the games. From my perspective, I am just using it as a gauge for how competitive games will be. For rankings - the stats don't mean a lot. For competetive evaluation... it does provide a measuring stick for how head-to-head competitions will be. The post-season toureny is the only true ranking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDGiant93 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Looks like strength of schedule hurts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, snrmike said: I like to use the Sagarin system as it was originally designed. Total offense performance and total defense performance. As the season rolls along, those numbers start getting more and more accurate. I rarely look at Jeff's numbers for the first 2 (or even 3) weeks. Data is still being compiled during that period. I also never place a lot of stock in pure computer generated rankings. As Gipper sez "on the field". That's where we play the games. From my perspective, I am just using it as a gauge for how competitive games will be. For rankings - the stats don't mean a lot. For competetive evaluation... it does provide a measuring stick for how head-to-head competitions will be. The post-season toureny is the only true ranking! Yep! The only meaningful rankings are those from downtown at LOS on Thanksgiving weekend. Edited September 27, 2021 by PHJIrish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I know we've beaten this topic to death, but this one literally made me LOL this morning. # 78 Boonville (0-5) # 99 Jasper (6-0) Even Sagarin knows the PAC really IS that much tougher than the SIAC. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said: I know we've beaten this topic to death, but this one literally made me LOL this morning. # 78 Boonville (0-5) # 99 Jasper (6-0) Even Sagarin knows the PAC really IS that much tougher than the SIAC. 😄 Keep in mind Boonville took MTV to the wire and the C&P laid it out clearly today just how good MTV is (tongue planted firmly in cheek). 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, Titan32 said: Keep in mind Boonville took MTV to the wire and the C&P laid it out clearly today just how good MTV is (tongue planted firmly in cheek). 😂 Honestly, I was this close to tagging you after my last sentence... but I went with the smiley face instead. Some might say it's the same thing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan32 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, oldtimeqb said: Honestly, I was this close to tagging you after my last sentence... but I went with the smiley face instead. Some might say it's the same thing??? You mean a smiley face is like saying Titan32 in a mirror three times? LOL You would think some really smart stats guy could come up with a way to get the closed conferences closer than they are. Jasper should be in the upper 90's or low 100s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 9/27/2021 at 8:10 AM, jcat69 said: Sagarin and Harrell, what would our Indiana football lives be without them? I can't imagine being without them. Much more valuable than than this website. I agree. Luers over Cathedral Carroll over Westfield The SAC boasts four teams in the Top 12 compared to two each for the MIC and HCC. Football is alive and well in The Summit City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakone Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 Luers jumps 81 spots to be #2 overall. What happened to the closed conference Al Gore Rhythm.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, jakone said: Luers jumps 81 spots to be #2 overall. What happened to the closed conference Al Gore Rhythm.😁 I've seen this happen the last couple of years. SAC schools go up and down like a yoyo until playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, jakone said: Luers jumps 81 spots to be #2 overall. What happened to the closed conference Al Gore Rhythm.😁 The opposite happened to all the SIAC schools jasper beat castle and are 7-0 but dropped HEAVY Central has a -10 score……which I haven’t even seen from programs that go winless for 3 years + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 If Sagarin doesn't have the capability to factor in out of state games, then it's nothing more than a fun thing not to be taken seriously. I always thought computers were smart.🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshallCounty Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, PHJIrish said: If Sagarin doesn't have the capability to factor in out of state games, then it's nothing more than a fun thing not to be taken seriously. I always thought computers were smart.🤓 Exactly, it’s nothing to get worked up about. It’s for fun. Same with the other polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 6 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said: The opposite happened to all the SIAC schools jasper beat castle and are 7-0 but dropped HEAVY Central has a -10 score……which I haven’t even seen from programs that go winless for 3 years + In the grand scheme of things this doesn’t matter. But I have a new theory. The Al Gore Rhythm has to be based on some measure of your performance and your SOS. These closed conferences are drastically weighed down by the SOS portion. The worst team drags the whole conference down. Summit - this is FW South who lost a game to COVID. So they are 1-5 which in computer speak would be much better than 1-6. SIAC - Vincennes. They are 1-6. And they have yet to play Memorial (6-1) and Jasper (7-0). So their opponent W/L record has to be awful compared to a ‘normal’ SOS. Again, none of this matters but it beats watching Notre Dame today. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, MarshallCounty said: Exactly, it’s nothing to get worked up about. It’s for fun. Same with the other polls. Yep! (I'm out of likes for the day) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, MarshallCounty said: Exactly, it’s nothing to get worked up about. It’s for fun. Same with the other polls. Fun seeing Luers ranked ahead of Cathedral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHJIrish Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, BTF said: Fun seeing Luers ranked ahead of Cathedral. It doesn't worry this old Irish Alum one bit. Now on Thanksgiving weekend, that's another thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 9 hours ago, PHJIrish said: It doesn't worry this old Irish Alum one bit. Now on Thanksgiving weekend, that's another thing. It shouldn't. Cathedral is safely tucked away in a different class. The two will never meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 11:32 AM, BTF said: I've seen this happen the last couple of years. SAC schools go up and down like a yoyo until playoff time. Yea, I wonder about Carroll being the #2 in 6A. doesn't meet the eye test to me. Will likely change next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLCTigerFan07 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 11:17 AM, jakone said: Luers jumps 81 spots to be #2 overall. What happened to the closed conference Al Gore Rhythm.😁 Just wait until next week and they drop for some unknown reason and you can complain again. On 10/2/2021 at 3:32 PM, MarshallCounty said: Exactly, it’s nothing to get worked up about. It’s for fun. Same with the other polls. Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTF Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 hours ago, psaboy said: Yea, I wonder about Carroll being the #2 in 6A. doesn't meet the eye test to me. Will likely change next week. I think Carroll is a Top 20 team regardless of class. No way they are the second best team in 6a. We'll see how good they are if they get by Homestead again and play Westfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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