Notre Dame 2024

[Irishman]

1 minute ago, Footballking16 said:

Ehh on one hand they should be decided underdogs on the road at the Coliseum but on the other hand it speaks volumes as to how weak ND’s schedule is this year. They win out and go 11-1 they should probably be in the top 12. Lose to USC and go 10-2, no chance they should be in with that schedule.

If this team is a playoff team, then the NCAA went too far with expanding the playoffs. I agree though that if they win out they probably are in the top 12. Another loss would seal their fate for sure. 

[PHJIrish]

4 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Who gets fired first: Sherron Moore or Marcus Freeman? The obvious answer should be Marcus Freeman but something tells me Michigan isn’t going to hang on to a bad investment long. Both are in over their head.

Moore didn't lose to a directional school.  Michigan lost to a legitimate top team.

[Footballking16]

12 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

Moore didn't lose to a directional school.  Michigan lost to a legitimate top team.

Will be interesting to see how long Michigan lets Moore go 8-4 in the 12 team playoff era. Guessing they won’t give him as long of a leash as Notre Dame is seemingly going to give Freeman. 
 

Admittedly, it’s probably a slight overreaction on my part, but rarely does promoting a coordinator at a school like Michigan work out in the long run.

Edited September 8, 2024 by Footballking16

[temptation]

16 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Will be interesting to see how long Michigan lets Moore go 8-4 in the 12 team playoff era. Guessing they won’t give him as long of a leash as Notre Dame is seemingly going to give Freeman. 
 

Admittedly, it’s probably a slight overreaction on my part, but rarely does promoting a coordinator at a school like Michigan work out in the long run.

Theoretically, Notre Dame and Michigan should make the 12 team playoff annually but in the new era of NIL I am certain both schools are not willing to play by the same rules as the SEC powers and Ohio State.

I have a feeling the gap between the halves and the have nots is only going to continue to grow.

Glad Michigan got its title in the last year of the four team era.

Edited September 8, 2024 by temptation

[Footballking16]

41 minutes ago, temptation said:

Theoretically, Notre Dame and Michigan should make the 12 team playoff annually but in the new era of NIL I am certain both schools are not willing to play by the same rules as the SEC powers and Ohio State.

I have a feeling the gap between the halves and the have nots is only going to continue to grow.

Glad Michigan got its title in the last year of the four team era.

If elite universities like Michigan and Notre Dame can’t fund top 12 competitive football teams that’s on them. 

[temptation]

41 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

If elite universities like Michigan and Notre Dame can’t fund top 12 competitive football teams that’s on them. 

“Funding” is not the problem…it’s the bidding war for 18 year old kids that concerns me.

Michigan has been outspoken in its NIL approach.  

“Transformational, not transactional.”

Translation:  “Come to Michigan and perform and you will be amongst the best compensated student athletes in the country but not if you are just interested in a quick paycheck before your high school graduation.”

I’d imagine Notre Dame is similar..I know Purdue basketball is (see Kanon Catchings).

[Footballking16]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

“Funding” is not the problem…it’s the bidding war for 18 year old kids that concerns me.

Michigan has been outspoken in its NIL approach.  

“Transformational, not transactional.”

Translation:  “Come to Michigan and perform and you will be amongst the best compensated student athletes in the country but not if you are just interested in a quick paycheck before your high school graduation.”

I’d imagine Notre Dame is similar..I know Purdue basketball is (see Kanon Catchings).

NIL, at least in its current form, is going to be greatly diminished once revenue sharing kicks in starting next season. Schools not only can, but to my understanding are obligated to share revenue with its athletes going forward. 

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

NIL, at least in its current form, is going to be greatly diminished once revenue sharing kicks in starting next season. Schools not only can, but to my understanding are obligated to share revenue with its athletes going forward. 

I know of a guy who has advocated for this and been a leader on this front for nearly a decade…

Now, back to Northern Illinois please.

Edited September 8, 2024 by temptation

[Boilernation]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

I know of a guy who has advocated for this and been a leader on this front for nearly a decade…

Now, back to Northern Illinois please.

Agreed. Everyones favorite villain. Anyways, Riley Leonard is not a very good QB. Live by the portal, die by the portal if you pick up a bust or just completely made a bad evaluation on talent. It's a shame for ND. They have a legit defense with an elite Secondary. They're cooked though. Zero chance they get in with 2 losses and it's unrealistic to think they'll win out. The schedule if fluff, but there's enough teams good enough to get ND at least once if USC doesn't. 

Moore was a bad hire by Michigan in terms of resume vs. the field, but they had no choice but to hire him. Not saying he can't win at Michigan and exceed expectations, but Michigan should cut ties quickly if they see a string of 4 loss seasons. You're not just competing with Ohio State and Penn State anymore. You can't give an unproven HC a long leash if you end up falling years behind Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon and USC. 

Edited September 9, 2024 by Boilernation

[temptation]

9 minutes ago, Boilernation said:

Agreed. Everyones favorite villain. Anyways, Riley Leonard is not a very good QB. Live by the portal, die by the portal if you pick up a bust or just completely made a bad evaluation on talent. It's a shame for ND. They have a legit defense with an elite Secondary. They're cooked though. Zero chance they get in with 2 losses and it's unrealistic to think they'll win out. The schedule if fluff, but there's enough teams good enough to get ND at least once if USC doesn't. 

Moore was a bad hire by Michigan in terms of resume vs. the field, but they had no choice but to hire him. Not saying he can't win at Michigan and exceed expectations, but Michigan should cut ties quickly if they see a string of 4 loss seasons. You're not just competing with Ohio State and Penn State anymore. You can't give an unproven HC a long leash if you end up falling years behind Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon and USC. 

As long as James Franklin is at PSU and Lincoln Riley is at USC, I’ll sleep well at night.

Also, think Ryan Day is an excuse making whiner.

Four losses annually isn’t realistic.  They won’t even play all four of these teams yearly.

Edited September 9, 2024 by temptation

[Boilernation]

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

As long as James Franklin is at PSU and Lincoln Riley is at USC, I’ll sleep well at night.

Also, think Ryan Day is an excuse making whiner.

Four losses annually isn’t realistic.  They won’t even play all four of these teams yearly.

Ok. if four losses is hyperbolic, what does it take for you to get uncomfortable with Moore? Franklin and Riley are irrelevant. What would it take just to say Moore is meeting your expectations after 3 years?

[temptation]

7 hours ago, Boilernation said:

Ok. if four losses is hyperbolic, what does it take for you to get uncomfortable with Moore? Franklin and Riley are irrelevant. What would it take just to say Moore is meeting your expectations after 3 years?

Two playoff appearances.

[Bash Riprock]

47 minutes ago, temptation said:

Sigh…we really doing this?

”Sherrone chose to ride with…”

As stated, McCarthy made his decision in mid-January last year, a week after Michigan’s last game.  There were zero legit names left in the transfer portal.

Next…

Day took over for Meyer with a talented roster but what’s your point?  They weren’t coming off of a title like Michigan is.  You ask any Michigan fan if they will trade four seasons of 8-4 (the basement of predictions) for a title and they’ll give you a unanimous yes.

Sark/Ewers carved up the Michigan coaching staff yesterday and their third down conversion rate kept Michigan on the field and allowed them to exhaust those two top ten talents.

Look, I’m mildly concerned but nowhere near panic.  Hell, if James Franklin can last as long as he has at Penn State with three top ten wins (Sherrone already has two) Sherrone (an offensive line guru, not a defensive minded coach as you stated) is safe.

Texas will be comfortably in the CFP and possibly a top 4 seed.

Now, back to Northern Illinois…

Temp...the ultimate Walmart Wolverine!!

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Temp...the ultimate Walmart Wolverine!!

So much space in your head…

In a NOTRE DAME thread even…

Edited September 9, 2024 by temptation

[Bash Riprock]

43 minutes ago, temptation said:

So much space in your head…

In a NOTRE DAME thread even…

You're right...it is a ND thread....in which YOU are talking and defending Michigan....here's some advice.....let it go.....

You respond to EVERY comment about Michigan...the great defender.  Hilarious to read honestly.

Start a new conversation for next week.  UM plays Arkansas State at home.  I like their odds.

[gonzoron]

50 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

You're right...it is a ND thread....in which YOU are talking and defending Michigan....here's some advice.....let it go.....

You respond to EVERY comment about Michigan...the great defender.  Hilarious to read honestly.

Start a new conversation for next week.  UM plays Arkansas State at home.  I like their odds.

GID was down for 2 days, he's gotta get his post count back up. First time he'd seen the sun in 4 weeks is what someone reported on Facebook.

[temptation]

10 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

GID was down for 2 days, he's gotta get his post count back up. First time he'd seen the sun in 4 weeks is what someone reported on Facebook.

Time for your meds grandpa.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said:

You're right...it is a ND thread....in which YOU are talking and defending Michigan....here's some advice.....let it go.....

You respond to EVERY comment about Michigan...the great defender.  Hilarious to read honestly.

Start a new conversation for next week.  UM plays Arkansas State at home.  I like their odds.

I didn’t bring Michigan into the conversation.

Further proof that some just can’t keep the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS off their mind…you included.

Jealousy is such an unattractive trait.

[Bash Riprock]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

I didn’t bring Michigan into the conversation.

Further proof that some just can’t keep the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS off their mind…you included.

Jealousy is such an unattractive trait.

But you did choose to respond to EVERY comment...you could have simply ignored.
 

BTW, my comment had NOTHING to do with UM football....I think you know that....

[temptation]

20 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

But you did choose to respond to EVERY comment...you could have simply ignored.
 

BTW, my comment had NOTHING to do with UM football....I think you know that....

Yeah, you don’t like when things get personal, right?  

(Like that thinly veiled threat you PM’ed me months ago…)

[BTF]

On 9/8/2024 at 10:31 AM, temptation said:

Felt pretty pessimistic around 3:45pm yesterday before remembering my Wolverines don’t have to relinquish the crown until mid January of 2025.

Felt MUCH better last night around 6:45pm.

Honest question…is there a path to the playoff for ND with 10 games to go or was yesterday a death sentence to their season?  (EDIT:  Just saw the post above).

I think Notre Dame is in if they win out. Smart people know that Northern Illinois was a trap game. Or was it? Can we call a 'guaranteed win' a trap game? Or do only mid and low tier Power Five qualify as trap games? Either way, win out and they are in. But right now I don't have confidence in the offense to do that. 

[BTF]

17 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

Will be interesting to see how long Michigan lets Moore go 8-4 in the 12 team playoff era. Guessing they won’t give him as long of a leash as Notre Dame is seemingly going to give Freeman. 
 

Admittedly, it’s probably a slight overreaction on my part, but rarely does promoting a coordinator at a school like Michigan work out in the long run.

Not a bash on Michigan, but from what I saw on Saturday, six wins would be a successful season. If they played IU right now, I'd put my money on the Hoosiers. I like what I'm seeing from Cigneti. X's and 0's beat Jimmies and Joes. Right?

[Footballking16]

5 minutes ago, BTF said:

I think Notre Dame is in if they win out. Smart people know that Northern Illinois was a trap game. Or was it? Can we call a 'guaranteed win' a trap game? Or do only mid and low tier Power Five qualify as trap games? Either way, win out and they are in. But right now I don't have confidence in the offense to do that. 

Trap game for what? Notre Dame doesn't play anybody for another 2 months.

[Footballking16]

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

Not a bash on Michigan, but from what I saw on Saturday, six wins would be a successful season. If they played IU right now, I'd put my money on the Hoosiers. I like what I'm seeing from Cigneti. X's and 0's beat Jimmies and Joes. Right?

I think they'll get 6 but looking at the remaining schedule, 8-4 seems to be the ceiling. They will play a ton of close games and down to competition because their offense is that brutal if I'm putting it bluntly. Not sure I'd ever put money of my Hoosiers to beat Michigan but if there was a year to do it, it might as well be this year. I'll have a better idea about Indiana come Saturday night, they should roll UCLA based on what I've seen but IU has seemingly never done well with expectations placed upon them. 

[Boilernation]

6 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Trap game for what? Notre Dame doesn't play anybody for another 2 months.

ZERO excuse for a coach in Year 3 at ND to allow Northern Ilinois to come into South Bend and walk away with a W after only scoring 16 points.