Mt. Vernon High School administrators appear tired of losing student athletes to Cathredal, so it hides behind asinine IHSAA transfer policies.

[gindie]

I don't read Doyel often, only when he writes something controversial and it makes national news or when someone points him out, as in this situation.  I personally find him entertaining and thought provoking.

The most eye-opening case of "transfer-itis" I remember from my younger days (mid 1970's) was basketball star Bruce Grimm.  Triton, Rochester, and Plymouth High Schools and Providence and Furman Universities.

[PHJIrish]

5 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

After reading both articles, Doyel is right here, in my view.

Like!

[PHJIrish]

2 hours ago, gindie said:

I don't read Doyel often, only when he writes something controversial and it makes national news or when someone points him out, as in this situation.  I personally find him entertaining and thought provoking.

The most eye-opening case of "transfer-itis" I remember from my younger days (mid 1970's) was basketball star Bruce Grimm.  Triton, Rochester, and Plymouth High Schools and Providence and Furman Universities.

A couple of years ago, Indianapolis Tech had four transfer starters on their basketball team.  Not a sound from the IHSAA transfer board there!

And in 2002 Cathedral had a young sophomore, I can't remember his name offhand, but he was a defensive starter, but wanted to be a running back and after he played for the Irish in the early season at Huntington North, transferred to Tech and played against the Irish later that same season!  That's just a couple of examples.  I could go on!

[PHJIrish]

And the sad part is, Cathedral basketball is rated in the top four in the state, and all five starters from last season returned.  This is more about the young men, and their future, than it is helping the Irish basketball succeed.  

[Howe]

9 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

A couple of years ago, Indianapolis Tech had four transfer starters on their basketball team.  Not a sound from the IHSAA transfer board there!

Correct. Trey Lyles was the only starter on the 2014 State Championship Indianapolis Tech team who had been at Tech since his freshman year. He actually resided in Decatur Township. All other starters were IPS transfers into Tech. Justin Baker transferred from Northwest to Tech and received immediate full eligibility. He later transferred to Cathedral and had to sit out a year. There is an appearance of IHSAA double standards regarding transfers into p/p schools and especially Cathedral.

[Footballking16]

3 hours ago, Howe said:

Correct. Trey Lyles was the only starter on the 2014 State Championship Indianapolis Tech team who had been at Tech since his freshman year. He actually resided in Decatur Township. All other starters were IPS transfers into Tech. Justin Baker transferred from Northwest to Tech and received immediate full eligibility. He later transferred to Cathedral and had to sit out a year. There is an appearance of IHSAA double standards regarding transfers into p/p schools and especially Cathedral.

I'll never forget when Jordan Walker and Eron Gordon both transferred from North Central to Cathedral after their sophomore years. Both schools signed off on the transfers and were immediately eligible to play. The IHSAA took one look at the last name Gordon and put their foot down. Didn't give a second thought to Walker who actually ended up being the better player of the two in college. 

[Coach Nowlin]

3 hours ago, Howe said:

Correct. Trey Lyles was the only starter on the 2014 State Championship Indianapolis Tech team who had been at Tech since his freshman year. He actually resided in Decatur Township. All other starters were IPS transfers into Tech. Justin Baker transferred from Northwest to Tech and received immediate full eligibility. He later transferred to Cathedral and had to sit out a year. There is an appearance of IHSAA double standards regarding transfers into p/p schools and especially Cathedral.

HOLY SMOKES!!!     From the Clouds comes @Howe  !!!    Been long time Pal !!   Cheers 

 

[Lemmy]

From the article it appears fairly clear that the Mount Vernon principal did not sign off on the waiver to give them full eligibility.  The article's don't make it clear enough that it is the actual principal of the releasing school that sign-offs on the waiver to allow full eligibility not the AD.  Regardless, what they are now requesting is for the iHSAA to step in and override the releasing school's request which seems unlikely, but maybe with the bad press it could happen.  From my understanding IHSAA almost always follows what the school disctrict's request.  Both schools agree to eligibility, they grant it, one school does not, they deny it. 

[PHJIrish]

3 hours ago, Footballking16 said:

I'll never forget when Jordan Walker and Eron Gordon both transferred from North Central to Cathedral after their sophomore years. Both schools signed off on the transfers and were immediately eligible to play. The IHSAA took one look at the last name Gordon and put their foot down. Didn't give a second thought to Walker who actually ended up being the better player of the two in college. 

Lots of examples of out and out discrimination against Cathedral.  This is a blatant one since they came from the same school and received different outcomes.  I could list 'em until my old fingers fell off, but I'll spare everyone that.  You must get the point by now.

[PHJIrish]

6 hours ago, Howe said:

Correct. Trey Lyles was the only starter on the 2014 State Championship Indianapolis Tech team who had been at Tech since his freshman year. He actually resided in Decatur Township. All other starters were IPS transfers into Tech. Justin Baker transferred from Northwest to Tech and received immediate full eligibility. He later transferred to Cathedral and had to sit out a year. There is an appearance of IHSAA double standards regarding transfers into p/p schools and especially Cathedral.

First of all, it's good to hear from you!  And Tech seems to have the magic potion when it comes to transfers.

[PHJIrish]

It's kinda strange that there's no thread about this on the John Harrells basketball site.  I'm certainly not going to start one.

[PHJIrish]

The DOE affiliated Case Review Panel has overruled the IHSAA ruling today, and the three young men are now eligible to play varsity sports at Cathedral!

[PHJIrish]

Here is the Indy Star article:

Kindness prevails as DOE panel overturns IHSAA on Cathedral transfers

[globemstr3]

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

The DOE affiliated Case Review Panel has overruled the IHSAA ruling today, and the three young men are now eligible to play varsity sports at Cathedral!

OUTSTANDING!!!

[tango]

12 hours ago, Howe said:

There is an appearance of IHSAA double standards regarding transfers into p/p schools and especially Cathedral.

It's not an appearance, it's the reality.

[tango]

6 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

First of all, it's good to hear from you!  And Tech seems to have the magic potion when it comes to transfers.

At one time didn't a former IPS Super have the idea that Tech would be sort of a magnet school for athletics to compete against the townships powers? 

[tango]

4 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Here is the Indy Star article:

Kindness prevails as DOE panel overturns IHSAA on Cathedral transfers

I was fortunate to be local counsel for Mr. Jasaitis in one of the cases down here. He is a tremendous attorney and has a great track record kicking Mr. Neidig and the IHSAA's @$$. 

[Bobref]

54 minutes ago, tango said:

I was fortunate to be local counsel for Mr. Jasaitis in one of the cases down here. He is a tremendous attorney and has a great track record kicking Mr. Neidig and the IHSAA's @$$. 

Mike is currently serving as President of the Indiana State Bar Association. Don’t know to what extent that will cut into his practice. But he has a great track record in eligibility cases.

Edited November 28, 2024 by Bobref

[Howe]

11 hours ago, tango said:

At one time didn't a former IPS Super have the idea that Tech would be sort of a magnet school for athletics to compete against the townships powers? 

Correct.  Howe was closed in 1995 and reopened in 2000 as a middle school. In 2002 IPS implemented an athletic careers magnet at Howe and started adding high school students until the school had a senior class in 2005-06. Dr. Eugene White moved the athletic careers magnet to Tech in 2009 with the intent to compete with the township schools. 

[PHJIrish]

To top off the day, WNDY televised the Cathedral at Warren Central game last night and Julian Smith was their choice for Player of the Game.  It was a big day for both young men as they received a lot of minutes in last night's 75-40 win.

[crimsonace1]

On 11/26/2024 at 1:24 PM, PHJIrish said:

His name is Doyel and he actually reviewed in depth the situation.  Kyle just seems to take the IHSAA and Mount Vernon's interpretation of things.  Your choice how what to believe.  It also proves the point that transfers from Cathedral play immediately, and that's not the case when a student transfers to Cathedral.  I can site many instances to prove that.

Kyle reported both sides of the story because he's a professional reporter. 

Doyel is a pot-stirrer who is notorious for reporting only one side - the one that delivers the most clicks - and not telling the whole truth. It's people like him - and their "ombudsman" - who prevent me from subscribing even though I'd like to support Kyle's work. 

[PHJIrish]

11 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

Kyle reported both sides of the story because he's a professional reporter. 

Doyel is a pot-stirrer who is notorious for reporting only one side - the one that delivers the most clicks - and not telling the whole truth. It's people like him - and their "ombudsman" - who prevent me from subscribing even though I'd like to support Kyle's work. 

You are correct and uncorrect!  Kyle is a beat writer and Doyel is a columnist.  You may not agree with everything that Doyel has to say, but you'd have to admit he's not afraid to take on the hard story and try to find the truth.  His take on the Cathedral situation was a prime example of that.  He actually delved into the situation and made his call.  That's what a columnist does.

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

You are correct and uncorrect!  Kyle is a beat writer and Doyel is a columnist.  You may not agree with everything that Doyel has to say, but you'd have to admit he's not afraid to take on the hard story and try to find the truth.  His take on the Cathedral situation was a prime example of that.  He actually delved into the situation and made his call.  That's what a columnist does.

I struggle with that comment....if you would have stated share an opinion that fits his personal beliefs and narratives, I would agree wholeheartedly.  But with Doyel, it is certainly not always about finding the truth. Its about generating interest...and sometimes the truth be damned. In this case, his position aligned with yours and perhaps it is the correct position....but that is not always the case with Doyel.

[PHJIrish]

7 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

I struggle with that comment....if you would have stated share an opinion that fits his personal beliefs and narratives, I would agree wholeheartedly.  But with Doyel, it is certainly not always about finding the truth. Its about generating interest...and sometimes the truth be damned. In this case, his position aligned with yours and perhaps it is the correct position....but that is not always the case with Doyel.

That's your opinion.  I stand by my post.  Maybe you need to reread it.  In no way did I say that Doyel was infallible.

[slice60]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:29 PM, PHJIrish said:

A couple of years ago, Indianapolis Tech had four transfer starters on their basketball team.  Not a sound from the IHSAA transfer board there!

And in 2002 Cathedral had a young sophomore, I can't remember his name offhand, but he was a defensive starter, but wanted to be a running back and after he played for the Irish in the early season at Huntington North, transferred to Tech and played against the Irish later that same season!  That's just a couple of examples.  I could go on!

You guys kind of proved my point from last week in which I pondered whether the IHSAA looks more closely at schools/coaches who get a lot of transfers in.

Jason Delaney has been the Cathedral hoops coach since 2017 & was the HC at Tech from 2012-16. Tech won state in 2014. Cathedral won state in 2022. Maybe the basketball-brothers initial denial was more about Coach Delaney than Cathedral. It seems like Delaney has (rightly) earned the reputation of being a HC who benefits from (recruits) D1-talent transferring in from surrounding schools to win a whole lot of basketball games.