Sectional updates

[Indiana Fan]

Any word on when the IHSAA will release the updated sectionals with the new rolling 2 year SF? I know there will be some changes for this upcoming season.

[NorthKnox94]

40 minutes ago, Indiana Fan said:

Any word on when the IHSAA will release the updated sectionals with the new rolling 2 year SF? I know there will be some changes for this upcoming season.

so there will be changes every year?

[Coach Nowlin]

hopefully it will be on the agenda this spring board meeting at IFCA

 

[NLCTigerFan07]

2 hours ago, NorthKnox94 said:

so there will be changes every year?

Yes - due to the success factor rolling 2-year accumulation as opposed to a set 2-year cycle. However - note that the changes are still for two years. Meaning, if you move up or down, you are locked in for two years into that class.

https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/Tournament Success Factor.pdf
https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/Football TSF 2024-25.pdf

Moving UP next the next two seasons:
- Decatur Central will move from 5A to 6A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 7 points the last two seasons.
- New Palestine will move from 4A to 5A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 6 points the last two seasons.
- Heritage Hills will move from 3A to 4A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 7 points the last two seasons.

Staying UP next season:
- Cathedral will stay in 6A according to the link I shared... but I don't understand why? The last two seasons in 6A, they only accumulated 1 point. The reason they were in 6A this past season is because they accumulated 3 points in the 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 two year cycle, but now with the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 two year cylce, they are only at 1 point, which should drop them to 5A. Can anyone confirm that I've missed something?
- Fort Wayne Snider will stay in 6A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Semi State Championship to remain in 6A after this season.
- East Central will stay in 5A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Regional Championship to remain in 5A after this season. They have no path to 6A.
- Chatard will stay in 4A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. With their Sectional Championship this year, they will need to win at least a Regional Championship this upcoming season to stay in 4A. They have no path to 5A.
- Fort Wayne Bishop Luers will stay in 3A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. Of note, they are now a 3A school by enrollment anyway, so will likely stay in 3A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons. However, if they win a Semi State Championship this upcoming season, they will bump to 4A for those next two seasons due to accumulating at least 6 points in 3A.
- Adams Central will stay in 2A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. Of note, they are now a 2A school by enrollment anyway, so will likely stay in 2A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons. However, if they win a Regional Championship this upcoming season, they will bump to 3A for those next two seasons due to accumulating at least 6 points in 2A.
- Indianapolis Lutheran will stay in 2A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Sectional Championship to remain in 2A after this season. They could bump to 3A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons if they win a State Championship this upcoming season.
- Lafayette Central Catholic will stay in 2A next season due to accumulating 3 points during the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. They will need to win a Regional Championship this season to stay in 2A for the 2026-2027 season, otherwise they will bump back down to 1A.

Dropping DOWN next season:
- Evansville Memorial will be dropping down from 4A to 3A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons because they only accumulated 1 point the previous two seasons in 4A.

I think that's it - please someone add/correct me if anything is wrong here.

[TigerFan20]

1 hour ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

 Evansville Memorial will be dropping down from 4A to 3A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons because they only accumulated 1 point the previous two seasons in 4A.

Memorial was in 3A last season, since they only had 2 total points in the 2022 and 2023 Cycle. And was dropped down back to 3A last year due to the IHSAA changing the success factor points (2 points to 3 points) in the Summer of 2023. 

[NLCTigerFan07]

@TigerFan20 Thank you for the correction - I was going based off that document the IHSAA provided and was confused myself but then didn't dig in further to check if they already had this past season, like I'd assumed.

Edited January 29, 2025 by NLCTigerFan07

[Indiana Fan]

13 hours ago, NLCTigerFan07 said:

Yes - due to the success factor rolling 2-year accumulation as opposed to a set 2-year cycle. However - note that the changes are still for two years. Meaning, if you move up or down, you are locked in for two years into that class.

https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/Tournament Success Factor.pdf
https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/Football TSF 2024-25.pdf

Moving UP next the next two seasons:
- Decatur Central will move from 5A to 6A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 7 points the last two seasons.
- New Palestine will move from 4A to 5A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 6 points the last two seasons.
- Heritage Hills will move from 3A to 4A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons after accumulating 7 points the last two seasons.

Staying UP next season:
- Cathedral will stay in 6A according to the link I shared... but I don't understand why? The last two seasons in 6A, they only accumulated 1 point. The reason they were in 6A this past season is because they accumulated 3 points in the 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 two year cycle, but now with the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 two year cylce, they are only at 1 point, which should drop them to 5A. Can anyone confirm that I've missed something?
- Fort Wayne Snider will stay in 6A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Semi State Championship to remain in 6A after this season.
- East Central will stay in 5A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Regional Championship to remain in 5A after this season. They have no path to 6A.
- Chatard will stay in 4A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. With their Sectional Championship this year, they will need to win at least a Regional Championship this upcoming season to stay in 4A. They have no path to 5A.
- Fort Wayne Bishop Luers will stay in 3A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. Of note, they are now a 3A school by enrollment anyway, so will likely stay in 3A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons. However, if they win a Semi State Championship this upcoming season, they will bump to 4A for those next two seasons due to accumulating at least 6 points in 3A.
- Adams Central will stay in 2A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. Of note, they are now a 2A school by enrollment anyway, so will likely stay in 2A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons. However, if they win a Regional Championship this upcoming season, they will bump to 3A for those next two seasons due to accumulating at least 6 points in 2A.
- Indianapolis Lutheran will stay in 2A for their second year of the 2-year bump up cycle. They would have to win a Sectional Championship to remain in 2A after this season. They could bump to 3A for the 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 seasons if they win a State Championship this upcoming season.
- Lafayette Central Catholic will stay in 2A next season due to accumulating 3 points during the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. They will need to win a Regional Championship this season to stay in 2A for the 2026-2027 season, otherwise they will bump back down to 1A.

Dropping DOWN next season:
- Evansville Memorial will be dropping down from 4A to 3A for the 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons because they only accumulated 1 point the previous two seasons in 4A.

I think that's it - please someone add/correct me if anything is wrong here.

Indystar reported that cathedral will be moving down to 5A starting this upcoming season.

[tango]

1 hour ago, Indiana Fan said:

Indystar reported that cathedral will be moving down to 5A starting this upcoming season.

I wonder if Cathedral will elect to stay in 6A. That is always an option...

[Julio]

1 hour ago, tango said:

I wonder if Cathedral will elect to stay in 6A. That is always an option...

Is this still possible?  I have not heard of anyone doing this, voluntary moving up a class.

[TigerFan20]

6 minutes ago, Julio said:

Is this still possible?  I have not heard of anyone doing this, voluntary moving up a class.

Pretty sure, I haven’t seen any football teams do it, however, there was a basketball team last year that moved up to 3A voluntarily 

[tango]

9 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said:

Pretty sure, I haven’t seen any football teams do it, however, there was a basketball team last year that moved up to 3A voluntarily 

Indpls. Scecina did it a number of years ago, but I am not aware of anyone doing it recently in football. Mater Dei competes in 4A in team wrestling even though they are a 2A school (or maybe 3A, I'm not entirely sure on that). 

[US31]

57 minutes ago, Julio said:

Is this still possible?  I have not heard of anyone doing this, voluntary moving up a class.

Didn't Mishawaka do this at one point in somewhat recent past?

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

Pretty sure, I haven’t seen any football teams do it, however, there was a basketball team last year that moved up to 3A voluntarily 

Mishawaka did for years

[TigerFan20]

8 minutes ago, Sparty said:

Mishawaka did for years

That was the other school I was thinking about, but wasn’t sure. I was also a couple years off, but 1A North Davies was supposed to be in 2A for the 2022-2023 season, but the basketball team elected to move up to 3A instead. No idea if they are still in 3A.

[WWFan]

North Daviess moved up after winning 1A to 3A. 

1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

That was the other school I was thinking about, but wasn’t sure. I was also a couple years off, but 1A North Davies was supposed to be in 2A for the 2022-2023 season, but the basketball team elected to move up to 3A instead. No idea if they are still in 3A.

Didn't read this far. They dropped back to 1A. 

[Donnie Baker]

1 hour ago, US31 said:

Didn't Mishawaka do this at one point in somewhat recent past?

In the 70’s

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, Donnie Baker said:

In the 70’s

“I swear to God” it was more recent than the 70’s. 

[US31]

1 hour ago, Sparty said:

“I swear to God” it was more recent than the 70’s. 

I'm with you.....I remember it much more recently....I mean I'm old....but I'm not that old!🤣

[foxbat]

8 hours ago, Julio said:

Is this still possible?  I have not heard of anyone doing this, voluntary moving up a class.

 

8 hours ago, TigerFan20 said:

Pretty sure, I haven’t seen any football teams do it, however, there was a basketball team last year that moved up to 3A voluntarily 

 

8 hours ago, tango said:

Indpls. Scecina did it a number of years ago, but I am not aware of anyone doing it recently in football. Mater Dei competes in 4A in team wrestling even though they are a 2A school (or maybe 3A, I'm not entirely sure on that). 

 

7 hours ago, US31 said:

Didn't Mishawaka do this at one point in somewhat recent past?

Mishawaka Marian tried to move from 1A to 3A back in the 70s, but the IHSAA only let them bump up one class on their own in the year they applied for a two-class bump.  Scecina was 2A and remained in 2A despite having 1A enrollment for a while, but eventually moved down to 1A before being SF'd into 2A and then getting enough enrollment to remain in 2A.  I think Mishawaka also did something similar to Scecina [edit: I think it was around 2015/2016] in that they were in 5A, had a chance to move down to 4A by enrollment, and elected to remain in 5A at the time.

Edited January 29, 2025 by foxbat

[NLCTigerFan07]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:27 AM, Indiana Fan said:

Indystar reported that cathedral will be moving down to 5A starting this upcoming season.

Yeah I saw the IndyStar reported it... but interesting the IHSAA hasn't announced it anywhere from what I was able to research. But, I think the information saying "Indianapolis Cathedral will remaing in Class 6A for 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 due to Rule 2-5" that was shared in the link I provided was prior to the change from "set 2-year" cylce to "rolling 2-year" cycle.

[PHJIrish]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:27 AM, Indiana Fan said:

Indystar reported that cathedral will be moving down to 5A starting this upcoming season.

That's what I've been told, and I haven't heard anything different.  Of course, one year the Irish were sent back up to 6A just a few weeks before the season started.  Anything can happen.

[Gipper]

On 1/29/2025 at 1:20 PM, Sparty said:

“I swear to God” it was more recent than the 70’s. 

And I’ll say it up your face!!!

[Sparty]

2 hours ago, Gipper said:

And I’ll say it up your face!!!

Amen

[Donnie Baker]

On 1/29/2025 at 2:20 PM, Sparty said:

“I swear to God” it was more recent than the 70’s. 

Read the post from Fox Bats junior 

[Sparty]

16 hours ago, Donnie Baker said:

Read the post from Fox Bats junior 

I did. What did I miss?