Coach Nowlin Posted October 30, 2025 Posted October 30, 2025 17 hours ago, PHJIrish said: Thanks for the offer, I truly appreciate it! Transportation is not my major problem. Getting healthy is. I'm better today, even got out of the house for lunch today. I live on the west side of Marion County, near Covenant Christian, but I will either drive to the game or go with my sidekick of many years. GREAT TO HEAR !!! 1 Quote
RegionFBFan Posted October 30, 2025 Posted October 30, 2025 52 minutes ago, 23andCounting said: I'd never put competition over coaching. Geesman and Isaacs routinely put together the best teams in the state, even after playing a soft schedule. However, I do agree with your second sentence. A northern super conference would be Ideal. I want to say it was DT who first suggested it. First thought for most coaches would be too much travel, but if you dig deep, you'll probably only have two or three long road trips during the regular season. What’s the old adage…””Iron sharpens Iron”. Believe me, I’m not say coaching is not important. It is extremely important. I’m just saying that when you are constantly playing good competition it not only makes the players better but also the coaches as well and just not HC but the position coaches and coordinators. A super conference will never happen. Yes these 6A schools throughout the rest of Indiana can schedule bigger and better comp in the first 2-3 weeks. Many are trying to some success but it has its limits due to budgets and local relationships within their conference community. Quote
23andCounting Posted October 30, 2025 Posted October 30, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, RegionFBFan said: What’s the old adage…””Iron sharpens Iron”. Believe me, I’m not say coaching is not important. It is extremely important. I’m just saying that when you are constantly playing good competition it not only makes the players better but also the coaches as well and just not HC but the position coaches and coordinators. A super conference will never happen. Yes these 6A schools throughout the rest of Indiana can schedule bigger and better comp in the first 2-3 weeks. Many are trying to some success but it has its limits due to budgets and local relationships within their conference community. I get what you're saying, but why is Noblesville annually in the HCC basement? How come they're players aren't getting better? Could say the same for FW South Side. I've gotta give coaching the upper hand in this one. Edited October 30, 2025 by 23andCounting Quote
SMAUG Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 On 10/29/2025 at 5:39 PM, PHJIrish said: Thanks for the offer, I truly appreciate it! Transportation is not my major problem. Getting healthy is. I'm better today, even got out of the house for lunch today. I live on the west side of Marion County, near Covenant Christian, but I will either drive to the game or go with my sidekick of many years. Got it, hope you have a reason to be in Southern Hancock County next Friday Night! Quote
RegionFBFan Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 38 minutes ago, 23andCounting said: I get what you're saying, but why is Noblesville annually in the HCC basement? How come they're players aren't getting better? Could say the same for FW South Side. I've gotta give coaching the upper hand in this one. I know nothing about Noblesville but it does appear John Herbert is a very successful coach and they were 1-8 this year. Are you saying he is not a good coach? Quote
temptation Posted October 31, 2025 Author Posted October 31, 2025 40 minutes ago, 23andCounting said: I get what you're saying, but why is Noblesville annually in the HCC basement? How come they're players aren't getting better? Could say the same for FW South Side. I've gotta give coaching the upper hand in this one. Can’t speak to Hebert as I think his resume at Noblesville is far from complete but the prior coaches’ offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane for the level of competition faced. 1 Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 2 hours ago, temptation said: Can’t speak to Hebert as I think his resume at Noblesville is far from complete but the prior coaches’ offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane for the level of competition faced. What did he do his last 3 years at Carmel? Don't know, never watched them. Did he call all the O plays or was an OC? Again, do not know these answers to these questions. Does any HHC/MIC coaches full time call respected O or D? Again, not sure, honest question: Quote
First_Backer_Inside Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 2 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: What did he do his last 3 years at Carmel? Don't know, never watched them. Did he call all the O plays or was an OC? Again, do not know these answers to these questions. Does any HHC/MIC coaches full time call respected O or D? Again, not sure, honest question: Really interested to hear the answer to this like you are. My experience with high school football has always been with classes 3A and down where the head coach is usually a coordinator of some sorts. Wonder if the same thing is happening at the higher classes, especially 6A. Fun little bit, I had the opportunity to go out to California a few years ago to speak with the coaches at St. John Bosco, one of the top programs nationally year in and year out. We were looking at some different things they were doing defensively. During that time we got to sit in on position meetings, talk with the coaches, and watch practice. If I wouldn't have been told who the head coach was, I would have never known he was the man. Never saw him really coach anything during the practice. The guy was managing the practice, organizing time periods, talking with scouts and college coaches at the practice. Didn't call a play, didn't coach a drill. Moved around talking to players and coaches throughout the whole practice. Just very interesting how head coaches rolls are different for every program throughout the country. Quote
23andCounting Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 10 hours ago, RegionFBFan said: I know nothing about Noblesville but it does appear John Herbert is a very successful coach and they were 1-8 this year. Are you saying he is not a good coach? Just really putting more stock into coaching than I am competition. I don't know what he is, I just know Noblesville seems to be at the bottom of the HCC most years. It's up to the coach to get them out of it. Quote
FastpacedO Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 10 hours ago, temptation said: Can’t speak to Hebert as I think his resume at Noblesville is far from complete but the prior coaches’ offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane for the level of competition faced. This is no dig towards you. In some aspects I would say Noblesville's previous coaches offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane to the parents not fully the competition faced (the results don't lie for sure). Noblesville was very competitive in 2023 except for 1 game against Westfield. When you look at the results they had many one score ball games. They were not getting the wins yet but were competitive, they did struggle if they got behind by more than 1 score because they couldn't control the clock. I will say Coach Sharpe is a stand up guy, and he was pretty much ran off by the parents. It has been a rough start for Coach Herbert and things certainly can change, but right now it looks like a careful what you wish for. I get it in this day and age many want the flashy offense, but ball control was working for the Millers. Noblesville 2025 (1st year Coach Hebert) DATE OPPONENT EASTERN TIME OA 10.6, DA 30.3 Aug. 22 at Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 21 6 Aug. 29 Homestead 6A L 10 13 Sep. 5 Fishers 6A © L 17 42 Sep. 12 at Westfield 6A © L 7 41 Sep. 19 Zionsville 6A © L 7 30 Sep. 26 at Franklin Central 6A © L 10 37 Oct. 3 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A © L 6 31 Oct. 10 Brownsburg 6A © L 7 42 Oct. 17 at Avon 6A © L 10 31 Oct. 31 Fishers 6A 7:00 pm Sectional 4 Noblesville 2024 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 23 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 24 Aug. 31 at Homestead 6A W 49 6 Sep. 6 at Fishers 6A L 14 17 OT Sep. 13 Westfield 6A L 18 38 Sep. 20 at Zionsville 6A L 28 35 Sep. 28 Franklin Central 6A L 28 35 Oct. 4 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 21 28 Oct. 11 at Brownsburg 6A L 18 22 Oct. 18 Avon 6A L 18 24 Nov. 1 Fishers 6A L 21 31 sect Noblesville 2023 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 18 N Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 48 30 Aug. 25 Homestead 6A W 42 0 Sep. 1 Fishers 6A L 22 48 Sep. 8 at Westfield 6A L 21 28 Sep. 15 Zionsville 6A W 24 7 Sep. 22 at Franklin Central 6A L 27 28 OT Sep. 29 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 22 43 Oct. 6 Brownsburg 6A L 22 27 Oct. 13 at Avon 6A L 7 14 Oct. 27 at Zionsville 6A W 31 24 sect Nov. 3 Westfield 6A L 12 24 sect Noblesville 2022 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 19 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 35 Aug. 26 at Benet Academy (Ill.) W 21 13 Sep. 2 at Fishers 6A L 25 49 Sep. 9 Westfield 6A L 33 34 Sep. 16 at Zionsville 6A L 7 39 Sep. 23 Franklin Central 6A L 7 21 Sep. 30 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 14 38 Oct. 7 at Brownsburg 6A L 28 45 Oct. 14 Avon 6A W 43 41 Oct. 28 Zionsville 6A W 35 10 sect Nov. 4 at Westfield 6A L 21 42 sect 2 Quote
23andCounting Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 21 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: This is no dig towards you. In some aspects I would say Noblesville's previous coaches offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane to the parents not fully the competition faced (the results don't lie for sure). Noblesville was very competitive in 2023 except for 1 game against Westfield. When you look at the results they had many one score ball games. They were not getting the wins yet but were competitive, they did struggle if they got behind by more than 1 score because they couldn't control the clock. I will say Coach Sharpe is a stand up guy, and he was pretty much ran off by the parents. It has been a rough start for Coach Herbert and things certainly can change, but right now it looks like a careful what you wish for. I get it in this day and age many want the flashy offense, but ball control was working for the Millers. Noblesville 2025 (1st year Coach Hebert) DATE OPPONENT EASTERN TIME OA 10.6, DA 30.3 Aug. 22 at Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 21 6 Aug. 29 Homestead 6A L 10 13 Sep. 5 Fishers 6A © L 17 42 Sep. 12 at Westfield 6A © L 7 41 Sep. 19 Zionsville 6A © L 7 30 Sep. 26 at Franklin Central 6A © L 10 37 Oct. 3 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A © L 6 31 Oct. 10 Brownsburg 6A © L 7 42 Oct. 17 at Avon 6A © L 10 31 Oct. 31 Fishers 6A 7:00 pm Sectional 4 Noblesville 2024 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 23 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 24 Aug. 31 at Homestead 6A W 49 6 Sep. 6 at Fishers 6A L 14 17 OT Sep. 13 Westfield 6A L 18 38 Sep. 20 at Zionsville 6A L 28 35 Sep. 28 Franklin Central 6A L 28 35 Oct. 4 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 21 28 Oct. 11 at Brownsburg 6A L 18 22 Oct. 18 Avon 6A L 18 24 Nov. 1 Fishers 6A L 21 31 sect Noblesville 2023 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 18 N Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 48 30 Aug. 25 Homestead 6A W 42 0 Sep. 1 Fishers 6A L 22 48 Sep. 8 at Westfield 6A L 21 28 Sep. 15 Zionsville 6A W 24 7 Sep. 22 at Franklin Central 6A L 27 28 OT Sep. 29 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 22 43 Oct. 6 Brownsburg 6A L 22 27 Oct. 13 at Avon 6A L 7 14 Oct. 27 at Zionsville 6A W 31 24 sect Nov. 3 Westfield 6A L 12 24 sect Noblesville 2022 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 19 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 35 Aug. 26 at Benet Academy (Ill.) W 21 13 Sep. 2 at Fishers 6A L 25 49 Sep. 9 Westfield 6A L 33 34 Sep. 16 at Zionsville 6A L 7 39 Sep. 23 Franklin Central 6A L 7 21 Sep. 30 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 14 38 Oct. 7 at Brownsburg 6A L 28 45 Oct. 14 Avon 6A W 43 41 Oct. 28 Zionsville 6A W 35 10 sect Nov. 4 at Westfield 6A L 21 42 sect Why didn't the parents like Sharpe? On the outside looking in, it looks like the guy took over a trainwreck in 2020 and made a competitive program out of them. We know up here in NE Indiana that parents, probably 60% or better, are utterly clueless. Quote
crimsonace1 Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 32 minutes ago, 23andCounting said: Why didn't the parents like Sharpe? On the outside looking in, it looks like the guy took over a trainwreck in 2020 and made a competitive program out of them. We know up here in NE Indiana that parents, probably 60% or better, are utterly clueless. From my experience, any coach who doesn't go 4-wide and run spread is despised by parents because they're "hurting my kid's college opportunities" ... unless he wins. And if he doesn't win (even if he gets his team to play above its level), those parents who want an NFL-style or air-raid offense will get the ear of administration. 2 Quote
Lysander Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 1 hour ago, FastpacedO said: This is no dig towards you. In some aspects I would say Noblesville's previous coaches offensive philosophy was outdated and mundane to the parents not fully the competition faced (the results don't lie for sure). Noblesville was very competitive in 2023 except for 1 game against Westfield. When you look at the results they had many one score ball games. They were not getting the wins yet but were competitive, they did struggle if they got behind by more than 1 score because they couldn't control the clock. I will say Coach Sharpe is a stand up guy, and he was pretty much ran off by the parents. It has been a rough start for Coach Herbert and things certainly can change, but right now it looks like a careful what you wish for. I get it in this day and age many want the flashy offense, but ball control was working for the Millers. Noblesville 2025 (1st year Coach Hebert) DATE OPPONENT EASTERN TIME OA 10.6, DA 30.3 Aug. 22 at Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 21 6 Aug. 29 Homestead 6A L 10 13 Sep. 5 Fishers 6A © L 17 42 Sep. 12 at Westfield 6A © L 7 41 Sep. 19 Zionsville 6A © L 7 30 Sep. 26 at Franklin Central 6A © L 10 37 Oct. 3 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A © L 6 31 Oct. 10 Brownsburg 6A © L 7 42 Oct. 17 at Avon 6A © L 10 31 Oct. 31 Fishers 6A 7:00 pm Sectional 4 Noblesville 2024 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 23 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 24 Aug. 31 at Homestead 6A W 49 6 Sep. 6 at Fishers 6A L 14 17 OT Sep. 13 Westfield 6A L 18 38 Sep. 20 at Zionsville 6A L 28 35 Sep. 28 Franklin Central 6A L 28 35 Oct. 4 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 21 28 Oct. 11 at Brownsburg 6A L 18 22 Oct. 18 Avon 6A L 18 24 Nov. 1 Fishers 6A L 21 31 sect Noblesville 2023 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 18 N Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 48 30 Aug. 25 Homestead 6A W 42 0 Sep. 1 Fishers 6A L 22 48 Sep. 8 at Westfield 6A L 21 28 Sep. 15 Zionsville 6A W 24 7 Sep. 22 at Franklin Central 6A L 27 28 OT Sep. 29 at Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 22 43 Oct. 6 Brownsburg 6A L 22 27 Oct. 13 at Avon 6A L 7 14 Oct. 27 at Zionsville 6A W 31 24 sect Nov. 3 Westfield 6A L 12 24 sect Noblesville 2022 (Coach Sharpe) DATE OPPONENT RESULT TNY Aug. 19 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 4A W 43 35 Aug. 26 at Benet Academy (Ill.) W 21 13 Sep. 2 at Fishers 6A L 25 49 Sep. 9 Westfield 6A L 33 34 Sep. 16 at Zionsville 6A L 7 39 Sep. 23 Franklin Central 6A L 7 21 Sep. 30 Hamilton Southeastern 6A L 14 38 Oct. 7 at Brownsburg 6A L 28 45 Oct. 14 Avon 6A W 43 41 Oct. 28 Zionsville 6A W 35 10 sect Nov. 4 at Westfield 6A L 21 42 sect I was thinking exactly the same about Noblesville under Sharpe. I know many seemed to hate it from the day he came on board and I remember some opposing fans making fun of it but Noblesville was legitimately competing more closely in games…despite the final W/L. 33 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: From my experience, any coach who doesn't go 4-wide and run spread is despised by parents because they're "hurting my kid's college opportunities" ... unless he wins. And if he doesn't win (even if he gets his team to play above its level), those parents who want an NFL-style or air-raid offense will get the ear of administration. Couldn’t agree more. 1 Quote
Lysander Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 9 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said: What did he do his last 3 years at Carmel? Don't know, never watched them. Did he call all the O plays or was an OC? Again, do not know these answers to these questions. Does any HHC/MIC coaches full time call respected O or D? Again, not sure, honest question: Well…..he managed to lose to Brebeuf. That’s quite an accomplishment. 1 Quote
23andCounting Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 40 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: From my experience, any coach who doesn't go 4-wide and run spread is despised by parents because they're "hurting my kid's college opportunities" ... unless he wins. And if he doesn't win (even if he gets his team to play above its level), those parents who want an NFL-style or air-raid offense will get the ear of administration. Lmao. Obsessed parents. Quote
SMAUG Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 Let’s be honest, HS wins and losses do not matter to college coaches. Metrics - which are KPI’s by another name dictate recruiting. Remember, we are prepping these kids to thrive in the “real World”. Quote
RegionFBFan Posted October 31, 2025 Posted October 31, 2025 24 minutes ago, SMAUG said: Let’s be honest, HS wins and losses do not matter to college coaches. Metrics - which are KPI’s by another name dictate recruiting. Remember, we are prepping these kids to thrive in the “real World”. Metrics - code for height, weight and speed. Agree. Tape/Film - metrics get you the look but then it comes down to your play Live Eye test - Summer Camps Quote
PHJIrish Posted November 1, 2025 Posted November 1, 2025 Cathedral and New Pal advance to the annual "game of the century" next week at New Pal. Quote
temptation Posted November 1, 2025 Author Posted November 1, 2025 1 hour ago, PHJIrish said: Cathedral and New Pal advance to the annual "game of the century" next week at New Pal. Plainfield was a pretty good team too. Good luck Cathedral. Quote
Footballking16 Posted November 1, 2025 Posted November 1, 2025 Tough opponent next week for Cathedral, but feeling better about their chances. Quote
23andCounting Posted November 1, 2025 Posted November 1, 2025 5 hours ago, temptation said: Plainfield was a pretty good team too. Good luck Cathedral. Brick wall. Quote
PHJIrish Posted November 1, 2025 Posted November 1, 2025 The latest Sagarin ratings has Cathedral's SOS at #14, down after last night's Anderson game, and New Palestine's SOS is #72. Quote
FastpacedO Posted November 3, 2025 Posted November 3, 2025 On 10/31/2025 at 10:37 PM, temptation said: Plainfield was a pretty good team too. Good luck Cathedral. Plainfield was solid not great. The game went about how I thought it would go just basing off Plainfield's performance against Decatur Central and Whiteland. I just really felt like New Palestine was going to control and dominate that game. As for Cathedral at New Palestine. If Cathedral is as healthy as they can get they can make a game of it, but it will be an uphill battle and they need to play pretty well especially at Kelso Stadium. Both defenses are pretty good and equal, I will give New Pal the advantage Offensively, and Cathedral the advantage in Special Teams. Should make for a great Sectional Championship (although I would prefer to see it at a Semi-State or State game. 1 Quote
23andCounting Posted November 3, 2025 Posted November 3, 2025 6 minutes ago, FastpacedO said: Should make for a great Sectional Championship (although I would prefer to see it at a Semi-State or State game. South Side almost beating East Noble concerns me a bit. Not sure at this point how much of a game the north will give the south. Maybe the Knights were looking ahead to Dwenger. Mishawaka barely beating Plymouth. I'm feeling Dwenger right now to represent the North. Defense is legit. Only allowed double digits three times this season with the highest point total at 21 against Northrop. Fourteen of those points came in the 4th quarter on short drives off turnovers. Gave up 22 total against Carroll, Homestead, Snider, & Leo. Just an early observation, but maybe it's going to be Dwenger's defense as the best hope for the north. Quote
BLACKGOLD2007 Posted November 3, 2025 Posted November 3, 2025 Is this the 5A state title game, New Pal v Cathedral? Quote
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