crimsonace1 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 A few changes from what we had expected ... Bishop Chatard listed in Class 3A (instead of success bump to 4A). Adjustment in Culver Academies' enrollment pushes them to 4A. River Forest was on the 2A/3A line, they go up to 3A. Class changes New in 6A Zionsville (up) Jeffersonville (up) FW Northrop (up) Cathedral (up-success) New in 5A Chesterton (down) Merrillville (down) FW Snider (down) Hammond Morton (up) New in 4A Kokomo (down) Bedford NL (down) New Palestine (down) Ind. Washington (up) Ev. Bosse (up) Brebeuf (up) Edgewood (up) SB Washington (up) New in 3A Delta (down) SB Clay (down) Madison (down) South Dearborn (down) Ind. Chatard (down) Griffith (down) Purdue Poly - Indy (new) Woodlan (up) Speedway (up) Fairfield (up) Monrovia (up) Boone Grove (up) Western Boone (up) New in 2A Benton Central (down) Brown County (down) Ind. Ritter (down) Brownstown (down) Greencastle (down) Sullivan (down) Churubusco (up) Lake Station (up) Winamac (up) New in 1A North Newton (down) Gary Bowman (down) Dugger Union (new) NOTE: FW Dwenger (5A) and Lafayette Catholic (2A) will be reevaluated and possibly moved back down a class if they do not win a sectional title this upcoming year. Official classes Maps of each classification 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledge Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Can someone explain Bishop Chatard being in 3A instead of 4A? After just one year in 4A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: A few changes from what we had expected ... Bishop Chatard listed in Class 3A (instead of success bump to 4A) Adjustment in Culver Academies' enrollment pushes them to 4A River Forest was on the 2A/3A line, they go up to 3A. Official classes Maps of each classification Brebeuf in for Chatard in 22. New Pal easily slides into 21, pushing Muncie Central North, wouldn't you think? Edgewood and Bedford N-L take Madison and South Dearborn's spots in 23 (dropped to 3A). Evansville Bosse joins 24, probably pushing Northview to 22 (and Frankfort/Western north). Almost too logical, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerFan20 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said: Evansville Bosse joins 24, probably pushing Northview to 22 (and Frankfort/Western north). Eh, it looks like they might be entering S23, since South Dearborn and Madison are exiting out from S23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeqb Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, TigerFan20 said: Eh, it looks like they might be entering S23, since South Dearborn and Madison are exiting out from S23 Edgewood moved from 3A to 4A and Bedford North Lawrence moved from 5A down to 4A. They have to go somewhere. Northview could stay in S24 and make it an 8 Teamer, but there still will be a bye somewhere in South between 21-24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 6A is pretty cut and dried in the south 5: Brownsburg, Avon, Ben Davis, Pike 6: Cathedral, Lawrence North, Lawrence Central, North Central 7: Southport, Perry Meridian, Tech, Warren Central 8: Franklin Central, Center Grove, Columbus North, Jeffersonville The north is a mess because there are nine schools north of US 24 and seven south of it. 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Portage, Lafayette Jeff 2: Penn, Elkhart, Warsaw, Carroll 3: FW Northrop, Homestead, Hamilton Southeastern, Fishers 4: Carmel, Zionsville, Westfield, Noblesville Logic: HSE/Fishers are right off I-69, so they have easier access to Fort Wayne despite being farther south than Westfield/Noblesville. Jeff fits neatly into Sectional 1 as it's off I-65 and pretty much equidistant from the Region and Hamilton County. Another option 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Portage, Penn 2: Elkhart, Warsaw, FW Northrop, Carroll 3: HSE, Fishers, Homestead, Noblesville 4: Westfield, Zionsville, Lafayette Jeff, Carmel Here, eight of the nine northern teams stay in Sectionals 1 & 2, although they are more spread out (Penn/Elkhart get split), Jeff gets a *slightly* shorter drive and only Homestead gets sent south instead of two FW-area schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 5A is interesting because of the "pairs" in the south that are largely interchangeable. 9/10/11 are extremely cut-and-dried and obvious: 9: Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster 10: Chesterton, Valpo, Michigan City, LaPorte 11: SB Adams, Mishawaka, Concord, Goshen Then it gets dicey. You have three Fort Wayne schools, two Lafayette-area schools and Anderson sitting on an island. While it will be ridiculous travel, it makes sense to keep the Tippecanoe County schools together and make Anderson travel. That also makes the rest of the map fit together. 12: FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider, Anderson 13: Harrison, McCutcheon, Decatur Central, Plainfield (Another option would be Dwenger/North/Snider/Harrison and McCutcheon/Anderson/DC/Plainfield, but this makes less sense) The rest of the state is a bunch of pairs. Option 1 (most likely) 14: TH North/TH South, Bloomington North/Bloomington South 15: Franklin, Whiteland, Columbus East, Seymour 16: Ev. North, Castle, Floyd Central, New Albany Logic: SR 46 connects Terre Haute & Bloomington, they're about an hour apart. The Sectional 15 teams are connected via I-65 and are in adjoining counties Sectional 16 - I-64 connects the Evansville & Falls City areas. It's easier/quicker for the EVV teams to get to the Falls City area than it is to make the drive up U.S. 41 to Terre Haute. Option 2 14: Franklin, Whiteland, Bloomington North, Bloomington South 15: Columbus East, Seymour, Floyd Central, New Albany 16: TH North, TH South, Ev. North, Castle Option 3 (highly unlikely) 14: TH North, TH South, Franklin, Whiteland 15: Columbus East, Seymour, Floyd Central, New Albany 16: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Ev. North, Castle (this would've been unthinkable prior to I-69) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Guru 25 Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Looks like there will be some major shifting in sectional alignments!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 4A South is a complete mess because of South Dearborn & Madison leaving East Central on an island ... as well as Northview sitting on an island in western Indiana. 17: East Chicago, Gary West, Highland, Hobart, Lowell, Kankakee Valley, New Prairie, SB Washington 18: SB St. Joseph, SB Riley, Plymouth, Culver Military, NorthWood, Wawasee, Northridge, Columbia City 19: Angola, DeKalb, East Noble, Leo, New Haven, FW South, FW Wayne, Huntington North 17/18: six teams fit together well in 17 and New Prairie makes sense as the seventh. The question is, who is the eighth - do you send Culver, which is a longer trip and keep the SB schools together, or do you send SB Washington? 18/19: You have seven schools in the "north central" area and nine in what I consider the Northeast Corner/Fort Wayne area. One of them has to go west. East Noble would probably be the one that would fit most geographically to go west, but that would cut them off from the other Northeast Corner teams. Columbia City is the westernmost school of the NEC/FW-area schools, so they got moved. 20: Jay County, Muncie Central, Marion, Mississinewa, Kokomo, Western, Logansport, Frankfort. This one is spread-out, but pretty easy. The four southern sectionals are a problem because of the outliers. The questions - which is the 7-team sectional, what to do with East Central and what to do with Northview. Here was my best guess 21: Lebanon, Brebeuf, I. Shortridge, I. Attucks, I. Washington, Beech Grove, Roncalli, Northview (logic of placing Northview here: U.S. 40 connects it with Indy) 22: New Palestine, Greenfield-Central, Mt. Vernon, Pendleton Heights, New Castle, Richmond, Connersville, East Central 23: BNL, Jennings County, Edgewood, Shelbyville, Martinsville, Mooresville, Greenwood (made this the 7-team sectional because of the travel) 24: Jasper, Boonville, Ev. Harrison, Ev. Bosse, Ev. Memorial, Ev. Reitz, Ev. Central, Silver Creek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 3A south gets a major shake up bosse up to 4A with memorial still up Sullivan and brownstown central down to 2A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 45 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: The north is a mess because there are nine schools north of US 24 and seven south of it. 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Portage, Lafayette Jeff 2: Penn, Elkhart, Warsaw, Carroll 3: FW Northrop, Homestead, Hamilton Southeastern, Fishers 4: Carmel, Zionsville, Westfield, Noblesville Should be eight south of 24 in a couple of years as Harrison's going to grow into 6A even without a 5A SF victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerfan87 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3A in the far south looks pretty straightforward. They are really clustered pretty well together. Corydon North Harrison Salem Scottsburg Charlestown Madison South Dearborn Lawrenceburg Southridge Heritage Hills Mt. Vernon Gibson Southern Princeton Pike Central Washington Vincennes Lincoln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: A few changes from what we had expected ... Bishop Chatard listed in Class 3A (instead of success bump to 4A) Adjustment in Culver Academies' enrollment pushes them to 4A River Forest was on the 2A/3A line, they go up to 3A. Official classes Maps of each classification Culver academy was 4A last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumfriesYMCA Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, boilerfan87 said: 3A in the far south looks pretty straightforward. They are really clustered pretty well together. Corydon North Harrison Salem Scottsburg Charlestown Madison South Dearborn Lawrenceburg Southridge Heritage Hills Mt. Vernon Gibson Southern Princeton Pike Central Washington Vincennes Lincoln You would think that….but for the last few years princeton and Vincennes have been in a sectional that made it possible to have a semi state game with Gibson Southern and other Evansville area schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Rocket said: Culver academy was 4A last year In the initial release of enrollments, Culver was given a 3A enrollment. That was the change - from the original projections, not from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Sledge said: Can someone explain Bishop Chatard being in 3A instead of 4A? After just one year in 4A? "Additionally, with the pandemic delaying reclassification for a year but the Tournament Success Factor still being applied, discussion continued on what to do with schools playing in a higher classification. The IHSAA Executive Committee has determined that the eight schools who earned at least one point this school year (2021-22) to continue playing in a higher classification due to the Tournament Success Factor, will be reevaluated after the 2022-23 school year and adjusted accordingly. Schools who failed to earn a point during the 2021-22 school year while playing in a higher class were returned to the next lower class for the next two years. This was to prevent schools from playing three consecutive years in a higher classification when their tournament results do not merit that placement." Basically, Chatard lost in the sectional last year and thus did not get a Success Factor point, so they went back to 3A. LCC & Dwenger both won their respective sectional titles last year but lost in the regional. Because they did get a Success Factor point (halfway to the two needed to stay up), they were kept up for one year and will be reevaluated next year (which could cause a bit of a mess with regards to 5A as it might leave a 3-team sectional, as I doubt Kokomo will be moved up to replace them). If they win the sectional, they stay up ... if they lose, they go back down for one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 2 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: 5A is interesting because of the "pairs" in the south that are largely interchangeable. 9/10/11 are extremely cut-and-dried and obvious: 9: Hammond Central, Hammond Morton, Merrillville, Munster 10: Chesterton, Valpo, Michigan City, LaPorte 11: SB Adams, Mishawaka, Concord, Goshen Then it gets dicey. You have three Fort Wayne schools, two Lafayette-area schools and Anderson sitting on an island. While it will be ridiculous travel, it makes sense to keep the Tippecanoe County schools together and make Anderson travel. That also makes the rest of the map fit together. 12: FW Dwenger, FW North, FW Snider, Anderson 13: Harrison, McCutcheon, Decatur Central, Plainfield (Another option would be Dwenger/North/Snider/Harrison and McCutcheon/Anderson/DC/Plainfield, but this makes less sense) The rest of the state is a bunch of pairs. Option 1 (most likely) 14: TH North/TH South, Bloomington North/Bloomington South 15: Franklin, Whiteland, Columbus East, Seymour 16: Ev. North, Castle, Floyd Central, New Albany Logic: SR 46 connects Terre Haute & Bloomington, they're about an hour apart. The Sectional 15 teams are connected via I-65 and are in adjoining counties Sectional 16 - I-64 connects the Evansville & Falls City areas. It's easier/quicker for the EVV teams to get to the Falls City area than it is to make the drive up U.S. 41 to Terre Haute. Option 2 14: Franklin, Whiteland, Bloomington North, Bloomington South 15: Columbus East, Seymour, Floyd Central, New Albany 16: TH North, TH South, Ev. North, Castle Option 3 (highly unlikely) 14: TH North, TH South, Franklin, Whiteland 15: Columbus East, Seymour, Floyd Central, New Albany 16: Bloomington North, Bloomington South, Ev. North, Castle (this would've been unthinkable prior to I-69) How about a potential of Harrison and Mccutcheon with the terre hautes? If they went true north and south for the most southern schools you would get Bloomington N, Bloomington S, Columbus East, Seymour. And then Evansville N, Castle, Floyd, New Albany. Just curious. Quite a few ways to cut this up in my opinion. I think you are pretty spot on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonace1 Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 Just now, Indiana Fan said: How about a potential of Harrison and Mccutcheon with the terre hautes? If they went true north and south for the most southern schools you would get Bloomington N, Bloomington S, Columbus East, Seymour. And then Evansville N, Castle, Floyd, New Albany. Just curious. Quite a few ways to cut this up in my opinion. I think you are pretty spot on though. That's *possible*, but there's really no great way to get from Lafayette to Terre Haute (231 to 74 to 63/41? 231 an hour south to Cloverdale and then another half-hour west on 70?). In terms of drive time, McCutcheon/Harrison are both closer to Plainfield/DC than they are to Terre Haute (because of I-65), and the Terre Hautes are closer to Bloomington than they are to Lafayette. 2 hours ago, boilerfan87 said: 3A in the far south looks pretty straightforward. They are really clustered pretty well together. Corydon North Harrison Salem Scottsburg Charlestown Madison South Dearborn Lawrenceburg Southridge Heritage Hills Mt. Vernon Gibson Southern Princeton Pike Central Washington Vincennes Lincoln Those two are pretty obvious sectional pairings when you look at the overall map. The rest of the state is a royal pain to figure out in 3A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: That's *possible*, but there's really no great way to get from Lafayette to Terre Haute (231 to 74 to 63/41? 231 an hour south to Cloverdale and then another half-hour west on 70?). In terms of drive time, McCutcheon/Harrison are both closer to Plainfield/DC than they are to Terre Haute (because of I-65), and the Terre Hautes are closer to Bloomington than they are to Lafayette. Those two are pretty obvious sectional pairings when you look at the overall map. The rest of the state is a royal pain to figure out in 3A. Last two seasons, THS and Harrison have kicked off their respective seasons against each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Fan Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said: That's *possible*, but there's really no great way to get from Lafayette to Terre Haute (231 to 74 to 63/41? 231 an hour south to Cloverdale and then another half-hour west on 70?). In terms of drive time, McCutcheon/Harrison are both closer to Plainfield/DC than they are to Terre Haute (because of I-65), and the Terre Hautes are closer to Bloomington than they are to Lafayette. Those two are pretty obvious sectional pairings when you look at the overall map. The rest of the state is a royal pain to figure out in 3A. I’m with ya. Just find it hard to believe and see that you could have a potential Whiteland sectional winner driving south to Evansville for regional. And a potential Bloomington sectional winner driving north up to Decatur or even up to Lafayette for regional. I know there are multiple routes but you could have the Whiteland bus driving south on I-69 passing a Bloomington bus coming north on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slice60 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Sledge said: Can someone explain Bishop Chatard being in 3A instead of 4A? After just one year in 4A? Yes, I can explain it. The IHSAA crapped the bed. Here is how Chatard has fared in the last 25 years (22 of 25 years in 3A, except where noted). Chatard has won the 3A state title in 13 of 22 tournaments over the past 25 years. If that doesn't scream MOVED UP DUE TO SUCCESS FACTOR, I do not know what does. 97-State Champ 98-State Champ 99-Lost in Sect (Roncalli-State Champ) 00-Lost in Sect (Heritage Hills-State Champ) 01-State Champ 02-State Champ 03-State Champ 04-Reg Champ (Andrean-State Champ) 05-Reg Champ (NorthWood-State Champ) 06-State Champ 07-State Champ 08-Reg Champ (Bellmont-State Champ) 09-Reg Champ (West Laf-State Champ) 10-State Champ 11-State Champ 12-State Champ 13-moved up to 4A, won Sect (Andrean-3A State Champ) 14-moved up to 4A, lost in Sect (Tri West-3A State Champ) 15-State Champ 16-Lost in Sect (FW Concordia-State Champ) 17-Sect Champ (Ev Memorial-State Champ) 18-Reg Champ (West Laf-State Champ) 19-State Champ 20-State Champ 21-moved up to 4A, lost in Sect (Gibson So-3A State Champ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slice60 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I guess I didn't finish my thought. For the programs (8 schools across 5 sports) who moved up in 2021-22 & earned 1 point (won Sectional) in the higher class this school year, the IHSAA is going to keep them in that higher class for 2022-23 & then adjust accordingly. I assume that means the IHSAA will bump that program down to their enrollment class for 2023-24 if they do NOT earn 1 or more points in 2022-23. Sooooooooooooooooo, Mr IHSAA, I have to ask.........if you're going to commit to some wait & see mid-cycle downward adjustments, WHY NOT ALSO DO THAT FOR THE OTHER PROGRAMS WHO JUST MOVED UP FOR 1 SEASON BUT DID NOT EARN A POINT IN 2022-23??? I have not looked at the other sports yet but in football, there is ONE SCHOOL who benefits from this questionable decision-- CHATARD & their 15 state titles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XStar Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 5 hours ago, boilerfan87 said: 3A in the far south looks pretty straightforward. They are really clustered pretty well together. Boone Grove, Calumet, Griffith, Hanover Central, Resselaer Central, River Forest, Twin Lakes, West Lafayette Clay, Fairfield, Jimtown, John Glenn, Knox, Lakeland, Marian, West Noble Bellmont, Concordia, Delta, Garrett, Heritage, Norwell, Woodlan, Yorktown Guerin Catholic, Hamilton Heights, Maconaquah, Northwestern, Oak Hill, Peru, Tippecanoe Valley, Western Boone Crawfordsville, Danville, Monrovia, North Montgomery, Owen Valley, Speedway, Tri-West, West Vigo Batesville, Centerville, Chatard, Franklin County, Greensburg, Indian Creek, Purdue Polytechnic, Rushville Charlestown, Corydon, Lawrenceburg, Madison, North Harrison, Salem, Scottsburg, South Dearborn Gibson Southern, Heritage Hills, Mt. Vernon, Pike Central, Princeton, Southridge, Vincennes Lincoln, Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psaboy Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 13 hours ago, crimsonace1 said: A few changes from what we had expected ... Bishop Chatard listed in Class 3A (instead of success bump to 4A). Adjustment in Culver Academies' enrollment pushes them to 4A. River Forest was on the 2A/3A line, they go up to 3A. Class changes New in 6A Zionsville (up) Jeffersonville (up) FW Northrop (up) Cathedral (up-success) New in 5A Chesterton (down) Merrillville (down) FW Snider (down) Hammond Morton (up) New in 4A Kokomo (down) Bedford NL (down) New Palestine (down) Ind. Washington (up) Ev. Bosse (up) Brebeuf (up) Edgewood (up) SB Washington (up) New in 3A Delta (down) SB Clay (down) Madison (down) South Dearborn (down) Ind. Chatard (down) Griffith (down) Purdue Poly - Indy (new) Woodlan (up) Speedway (up) Fairfield (up) Monrovia (up) Boone Grove (up) Western Boone (up) New in 2A Benton Central (down) Brown County (down) Ind. Ritter (down) Brownstown (down) Greencastle (down) Sullivan (down) Churubusco (up) Lake Station (up) Winamac (up) New in 1A North Newton (down) Gary Bowman (down) Dugger Union (new) NOTE: FW Dwenger (5A) and Lafayette Catholic (2A) will be reevaluated and possibly moved back down a class if they do not win a sectional title this upcoming year. Official classes Maps of each classification Snider didn't move down, they were 5A last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Guru 25 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 5 hours ago, XStar said: Boone Grove, Calumet, Griffith, Hanover Central, Resselaer Central, River Forest, Twin Lakes, West Lafayette Clay, Fairfield, Jimtown, John Glenn, Knox, Lakeland, Marian, West Noble Bellmont, Concordia, Delta, Garrett, Heritage, Norwell, Woodlan, Yorktown Guerin Catholic, Hamilton Heights, Maconaquah, Northwestern, Oak Hill, Peru, Tippecanoe Valley, Western Boone Crawfordsville, Danville, Monrovia, North Montgomery, Owen Valley, Speedway, Tri-West, West Vigo Batesville, Centerville, Chatard, Franklin County, Greensburg, Indian Creek, Purdue Polytechnic, Rushville Charlestown, Corydon, Lawrenceburg, Madison, North Harrison, Salem, Scottsburg, South Dearborn Gibson Southern, Heritage Hills, Mt. Vernon, Pike Central, Princeton, Southridge, Vincennes Lincoln, Washington 2a alignment thoughts?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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