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So since in a power ranking I don't do head to head strength of schedules (doesn't make sense to do so) but rather head to head match ups and related games here is what I see so far. If you want to argue class schedules against each other then I guess there is nothing to discuss. HSE 26 Westfield 21 - New Pal 42 Westfield 28 - New Pall should be ranked above HSE Louisville Trinity beats CG 29-28 2OT and Carmel 17-7 Louisville Male 23 Louisville Trinity 21 Roncalli 28 Louisville Male 7 - Roncalli should rank above CG, and yes at this point probably New Pal as well, especially if they beat Cincinnati Elder next week who beat St Xaxier (KY) who also beat Trinity. I know it is "7 degrees of separation" argument but Roncalli handle a good Male team (though it was close into the 4th quarter) that beat a good Trinity team that beat both CG and Carmel. Question is could Roncalli beat CG and Carmel. I think so. There is an argument there to put them ahead of CG, especially since Roncalli is undefeated.

I think the DL is doing their normal DL things. And the LBs are doing their LB things, DBs doing their DB things. They've been pretty lights outs, tbh. The satisfying thing for me is that the O looks to be connecting like we've been expecting for a game like this, which also helps out the D. ...which helps the O. ... that stuff. The offense is getting better at settling into that dual-threat thing we all know and love. QB 10 knows when to pull and when to not. 26 is taking the "nots" for big gouges, plus. The ball gets out to 14 and 9 when it should. 2 is all over the place between rushes, passes, and returns. Plus the only two-way player, I think. There are still things to clean up (aren't there always?), but personally I'm happy with how things were executed on both sides of the ball tonight. MV has some athletes, as I've previously said. They can certainly make plays. I just haven't seen anything yet that puts them in a position to get through S30. I know, I know, tonight's score does not mean diddly squat come October. But I've not been sold on the MV snake oil for the past couple of years, and I've not seen anything to change my mind to date. I always wish our PAC brethren the best (until they face GS, of course), and I hope they can get and sustain success. They have the players, it appears they have the community support, so I don't know what is holding them back at this point.

Sorry @Bobrefand @EasyEJayf. I didn't realize/read that this was an OT situation. DUH! Absolutely correct with the killing of the play. DOne once the defense possesses the ball.

Chatard smoked Merrillville two years ago and then you still have to explain #1 Mishawaka vs Northwood.

I think it is something in the minds of all New Pal fans. It is really going to be a testament on the coaches on keeping the starters tuned up and focused each game. It will help because of the rest starters will get and the reps second team will get. It will help on keeping the injuries down. But it is something that I think players are also keeping in the the back of their minds. They know that each game is important, but that most likely Roncalli is on the horizon.

He is a very patient runner. Lets the hole develop and then explodes through it. Roncalli is also a very patient offense. Seems to not panic and trust that they will grind you down. He is a state qualifier wrestler and when I played for Coach Goebel he was always fond of those type of players. He also showed some nice speed last night.

So according to this logic why do people even try to put together a multi-class power ranking? According to this logic the HCC and the MIC and Center Grove and Carmel should be the only teams in spots 1-16 and still yet your logic says that after those conferences and two teams the other 6A teams, because of their schedule, will fill up the remaining spots. Head to head and common match ups between teams and the teams they play is the only other fair way to include teams in lower classes. In some ways I joke about these power rankings, but honestly the "They have to play a similar schedule all year long..." metric in a power ranking like this is moot. You can't compare because even a school like CG lost a majority of their games and someone said that an undefeated Merrillville should be ranked above them, someone would use the argument, "Well Merrillville doesn't play the tough schedule that CG plays. That logic and metric defeats the rankings. The question has to be can Team A defeat Team B on any given day. Not Team A doesn't play the year long tough schedule Team B does so regardless they can't be ranked above them even though it is agreed Team A could or would beat Team B.

I think you can see a direct correlation between the success or lack there of with the Colts to the general state of affairs of Indiana HS Football.

This area just hasn’t been influenced by football. There hasn’t been a pro team or a good college team to steer the kids away from other sports like there has in other areas of the state. Northern Indiana had Notre Dame. Northwest Indiana had the Bears. Central Indiana has the Colts. Southeast Indiana had the Bengals. Southwest Indiana had one of the original NFL franchises in the Evansville Crimson Giants. You also had pro teams in Hammond and Muncie. The influence of football is or has been pretty much everywhere in Indiana except in south-central Indiana. We just had IU basketball and Louisville basketball (or Kentucky basketball if you were annoying).

The Sagarin top ten by predictor are as follows after week 7 1 Reitz 2 VL 3 Castle 4 Mater Dei 5 E North 6 Memorial 7 Brownsburg 8 Jasper 9 Evansville Harrison 10 Center Grove Bosse and Central need to start carrying their weight and kick those paperweights Brownsburg and CG out of the top ten. I can't imagine why anyone would think the SIAC is weighted incorrectly. 😁

Just stirring the pot

I know LM was missing a stud, but I think Roncalli passed test 1 pretty well. Will be interesting to see how 2 and 3 go.

There was a sectional game some years back where the defense had a pick six in overtime, and the officials screwed it up, and allowed it to stand for the win.

Years ago (Early 90's I believe, I was at a sectional game between Hamilton SE and Cathedral. It was bitterly cold and the game was low scoring. It went to OT. HSE had the ball, threw a pass and Brian Ford, the kicker for Cathedral intercepts it and runs 97 yards for what many thought was the game winning score....no whistles at any point. The officials met to discuss it. Got the call right, but Cathedral could not yet line up for a FG to win.......the kicker just ran 97 yards, so he was gassed......They had to run a couple plays, then while he was as rested as possible, went out to kick the game winner. I thought of that sequence as I read the OP.

Not to discount Princeton and Washington this week but things are shaping up for a conference championship in Boonville in a couple of weeks.

I only mentioned the score from last night because you keep bringing up some 8th grade game. I don’t think a group of teenagers needs revenge taken out on them by an adult over something that happened before they had pubes. I swear to God I don’t

Winamacs isn’t the same without the Stat Boy, I swear to God they’re not

We need an adjustment on the Reitz line. I don’t see 53. I could see a solid 39 though. Memorial/Lincoln should probably be even.

I genuinely fear for the future of this game. In a world of increasing comfort, non-aggression, caring about feelings, Football is none of those things. I see it happening right in front of my eyes. Numbers dwindling, just trying to find someone with a pulse to fill coaching positions at the youth and MS level. I see some real challenges ahead for this game. The youth of America need this great game.

You mean other than a few windsprints for everyone to see? No...

Basically a five game conference schedule with an extra bye (when NC is on the schedule). Then you have two teams(Pike/Warren) whose offenses hand out gifts every Friday nights and spot the other team 14 points. All done in front of dozens of fans because each administration is terrified those in the stands won’t behave so they lock up each home game like it’s a red carpet VIP only event. Like I said above, CG and Carmel are being proven right and laughing their asses off right now. A far cry from what folks thought a few short months ago…

So…you introduce yourself to coach JB last week and you say you will tone it down on here about blaming coaching. And now you you start blaming the effort of the players? Interesting!! Maybe run more of the playbook instead of the same 5-6 plays. #CE #9 #HMS #NAPA

The MIC is still good even without Carmel aand Center Grove. Every week is a battle even against game NC and Pike. They are likely to win their sectional and have another shot at CG in the Regional Final. Still a lot of talent at WC.

Didn’t think JC played bad at all. I just think with all the two way players they eventually just get worn down. Also I don’t think they play consistently, it’s like they are a new team every week one week they show up and another they don’t. On to Floyd Central and FK if you plan on taking the painfully long haul to North Vernon, goodluck lol

The Irish played well tonight! Final score Irish 37, Lancers 6 The Irish rolled up a 30-0 halftime lead, and scored on their first possession of the 2nd half to bring on the mercy rule. The Lancers scored on a long 76 yard run in the 4th quarter to snap Cathedral's 11 straight shutout quarters. Also Jaron Tibbs is now the all time Irish leader in receiving yards, and becomes the first Irish receiver to go over 2000 yards. He's the real deal! Boilermakers fans will enjoy his receiving talents, I'm sure! Best of luck to the Lancers the rest of the season. They play St. X next week. The Irish play Brebeuf Jesuit back at Arlington Middle School next week for homecoming week. And the Arlington grass field held up quite well tonight. Oh, and it was good to be back in the stands this week. I wasn't a very good keyboard jockey the last two Friday nights.😉

Probably 48 between Tecumseh and Providence. Winner gets sacrificed to Lutheran. Haha

That is not correct. Any time the defense possesses the ball in OT, the play is over. OT rule 5-1-1: “If the defensive team gains possession, the ball becomes dead immediately and the offensive team’s series of downs is ended.”

Box Score This defense is really starting to click and come together. Mt Vernon was held to negative rushing yards through the first half and it wasn’t until after the running clock was put on that they had a minor breakthrough and got off a few good runs to bring it from -17 yards to 63. DL had a big night led by Tye Whitledge who had at least 1 sack and a few TFLs in the 1st half. In other news….Devan Roberts is having one helluva senior year. 4 more TDs tonight bringing his total to 17 TDs through 7 games

Gibson Southern 35 Mt Vernon 7 Final 18 in a row for the Titans.

As you know cousin, Mom was a proud graduate of Memorial and she adopted the Wildcats as all of her children and most of her grandchildren passed through. Over the years of competition across a number of sports, she developed, hmmm, how shall we put it tactfully...strong feelings about our west side brethren... She would come back and HAUNT me if I picked the Panthers over her Tigers. Plus, I have a feeling about this one😎

Here is a very good article from Referee magazine on 3 of the toughest judgment calls on fouls — holding, pass interference, and blocking in the back — from the point of view of the official. Fans, coaches, etc., I bet when you read this, you’ll learn something new. For example, the next time you hear someone drag out that tired cliche that the officials “could call holding every play,” you can explain to them, using the information in the article, why that is not really true. https://www.referee.com/3-miscalled-fouls/ Three of the Toughest Judgment Calls In most seasons, false starts are the most frequently occurring fouls and arguably the foul that requires the second least amount of judgment (calling 12 players in the formation doesn’t require much judgment). But every foul requires some degree of discretion before the flag is thrown. For various reasons there are three fouls that seem to be most often called incorrectly. Holding Judging the legality of blocking is arguably the most difficult aspect of officiating a football game. On any given play there are six to 10 blocks and some of them go unobserved by a crew of five. Consequently, holding and illegal use of hands may be the most problematic of all fouls in football because there are so many forms of hand contact between players during constant personal collisions. Complicating the matter is the rules allow defensive players more freedom (push, pull and grasp to get at the runner) in how they use their hands. For a holding foul to be called, a player must prevent an opponent from possibly making a play by using an illegal technique. In other words, there must be a demonstrated restriction. If an opponent is taken to the ground, that is an obvious restriction. That could occur either through an outright tackle, a takedown or, less frequently, the pull-over in which the blocker pulls the opponent down over himself to make it look like he has been run over. An upright restriction can occur if the opponent is grabbed and prevented from moving to participate in the play (grab and restrict). The opponent can also be grabbed and physically manhandled to a different position (jerk and restrict) or be hooked with an outstretched arm to alter his path to the runner (hook and restrict). None of the preceding restrictions are likely to have an impact on the play unless they occur at or near the point of attack — an area in close proximity to where the play is intended to go. Since that isn’t really a “point,” some prefer to call it the “attack zone.” By examining the logic trail an official must follow, we can begin to understand why that foul is inconsistently called. First is the judgment on the legality of how the hands are used. Often the hands are hidden from the observing official and the decision must be made on the effect of the apparent grip. If the hands are deemed to be used illegally, the official must decide if the technical indiscretion actually restricted the opponent. Did the jersey pluck slow him down? Did an arm bar change his path sufficiently to prevent a tackle? Sometimes opponents will hold onto one another while they are moving — the so-called “dance.” Who is holding who? In actions such as that, it is hard for an official to make an accurate distinction. The next step is to assess the impact of restriction on the play. A block may begin legally and then progress to an illegal restriction. In passing situations, that may happen after the quarterback has released the ball. Or it may happen far enough away from the quarterback that an impact on the play is highly unlikely. Some officials will call that; others won’t. Additionally, because the point of attack is not a precisely defined term and is not addressed in the rulebook, there are officials who do not take that into account when ruling on holding. Whether an act does or does not prevent a play may not be taken into consideration. Takedowns by offensive players who are well away from or behind the play pose a particular problem for officials, especially when they are out in the open for all to see. Some officials believe the takedowns should always be called while others make exceptions especially when a touchdown would be negated. Similarly, there is a school of thought that holding should not be called when a defender is double-teamed. The theory is that if the offense is committing two players to one opponent, any advantage gained by holding is negated because a different defender has gone unblocked. Other variations include calling unnecessary roughness instead of holding and declaring a dead-ball foul when the act began while the ball was live. Without taking all those notions into consideration, a simple grab of a jersey — and a relatively quick release — may look like a foul, but it isn’t necessarily so. Consequently, making judgments on holding requires a thorough knowledge of what is legal, plus long study and experience to detect the actual behavior and to determine if an advantage has been gained. Pass Interference The inequities in the calling of pass interference appear to emanate from two elements. The first of those is an apparent lack of understanding on the part of the officials that both receiver and defender have a right to the ball and that “incidental contact” is a legitimate option if both players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach the ball. Some officials are unconsciously biased in favor of the offensive player. When you think about it, any favoritism should be for the defender; he doesn’t know what’s happening, while the receiver is following a planned route that has been decided in the huddle. The words “not playing the ball” often enter the discussion by officials on pass interference and although the phrase is not mentioned in the rulebook, it is a legitimate factor — to a point. A player who is not playing the ball is responsible for any contact with an opponent, while a player who is playing the ball — making a bona fide attempt to reach the ball and looking back at it — may be absolved from unintentional contact. The second source of inconsistency is “catchability.” Under NCAA rules, a pass must be catchable for there to be defensive pass interference. However, an uncatchable pass does not excuse offensive interference (7-3-8c). In NFHS play, it is not interference if the contact by team B is obviously away from the direction of the pass (7-5-11c). However, if such contact interferes with an eligible opponent’s opportunity to move toward, catch or bat the ball, catchability is not a factor. The spirit of pass interference restrictions is to apply them to intended receivers and their defenders and not to other players who go downfield. Some prep officials will avoid calling an interference foul when the pass is not catchable and they can be very creative in explaining their rationale, such as, “The play was over when the contact occurred.” That discretion is frequently applied when the ball is past both players when the contact occurs or when both players are or nearly are out of bounds and no catch is possible. Other officials will strictly follow the rule and call a foul. Blocks In The Back The challenge in calling blocks in the back is that contact from the side is legal. If the player who is blocked saw or could have seen the blocker, there is probably not a foul. A block from the side, even though violent and even though it results in a player being put on the ground in vigorous fashion, is not a foul unless for some other reason it is also a personal foul. Frequently blocks from the side are erroneously flagged. The placement of the hands or shoulder during the block is a good indicator. If an official can see both jersey numbers, unobstructed, on the back of the player being blocked when the initial contact occurs, it’s difficult to rule such contact a foul. To be called a foul, a block in the back should clearly meet the definition of contact on or near the numbers of the player being hit. Another guideline is to note how the player who is blocked falls. If the blocked player falls forward, he almost certainly was blocked in the back. That is the type of fall that is most prone to cause injury and a player would not go down like that unless it was unavoidable. If he falls to side, it is a sign he was most likely blocked from the opposite side, but it is not an absolute indicator because in some cases players who are blocked in the back are able to turn to their side to lessen the impact. Another aspect of those blocks that is subject to varying philosophies is whether the blocked player is knocked to the ground. Those should be called as a safety foul and they usually are (if observed). Contact that merely puts a player off stride is subject to advantage/disadvantage. Not every bump in the back should be flagged. A slight brush that does not cause the contacted player to tip off-stride is not a foul. Some contact of that sort is incidental, because the player making the contact may himself have been jostled into another individual. However, slight contact that causes a defender to stumble and to perhaps miss an opportunity to make a tackle is deserving of a flag. Additionally, location is a factor. That type of block may take place far from where a play can be made. If an opponent is tipped off balance far from where the ball is in play, such action may be judged incidental, as having no effect on the play. If the contact occurs away from the point of attack and does not affect the outcome of the play, a verbal reminder.

Not quite as big as last couple of seasons but big for a high school team: LT - Trevor Lauck 6'7 290 (Iowa) LG - Brady Neu 6'4 278 (Central Michigan) C - Luke Skartvedt 6'5 317 (Northern Illinois) RG - Luke Billerman 6'2 275 RT - Jackson McNeeley 6'4 283 (St. Francis) "Heavy Formation" TE - Luke Swartz 6'2 280

This ending schedule is exactly why I believe Roncalli, especially after the decisive win last night, should be ranked in the top 2 above CG and Carmel and HSE for sure. I believe that if they beat Elder then they should definitely be moved up. IMO New Pal and Roncalli are the two best teams in the state. But I am being told by some folks on another thread that pointing this out doesn't matter. Roncalli doesn't play in the MIC or HCC schedule, therefore, their place in the rankings will never put them above those top teams. Doesn't make sense to me in a multi-class power ranking.

Lets face it, Lutheran could beat everyone in 2a, including Mater Dei and Linton. I would like to see LCC play Lutheran, but the success factor took care of that. New Palestine is the best team in 4a and 5a. The Ihsaa should have left everything the way it was. I would like the see Harrison play New Palestine this year.