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It is well documented that ND tried to join the Big Ten in the past and were rejected because of, you guessed it, Michigan. 1899 they tried to join with IU and Iowa and weren't invited to the meeting. Then they tried in 1926 and a Michigan Man Fieding Yost didn't want them to join due to anti-catholicism. They tried for 2003 but I think it was for other sports and not football. This is the main reason I think Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten. The ACC is the best bet at this point due to the other sport tie ins

So about Illinois (see above) Their multiplier is pretty much what I would say is pretty inconsistent. No playoff wins in two years and the multiplier is waived. And classes aren’t set until the playoff qualifiers are selected. What it boils down to: 7/8 of their state championships were won by P/P schools. Public school fans weren’t happy. Indiana - success factor. 5/6 titles won by public schools… and public school fans still aren’t happy. As @foxbat said. There will still be complaints regardless of the system due to perceived advantages.

Is this a joke?

5 minutes more than I want to put into it. I’ll pass. You know, the best part of Navy vs. Notre Dame was when Navy beat Notre Dame 3-4 years in a row with zero scholarship players while the Irish had top 5 recruiting classes each year and were still cheating. There you go, you got 2 minutes out of me

Didn't figure I'd get much argument. And Michigan taught the game of football to Notre Dame, you can forever hold that over us if you'd like.

Ok, ok. Twist my arm. This is the authority/gospel.

Brand? Sure. Football program? Eh…

Haters gonna’ hate. They hate us … because they ain’t us. 😂🤣😅

This sorta makes your point I guess… (This was coming into this season.)

Love this bashing on IU’s schedule, but turn back the clock one year. Michigan and Washington played for the Natty, who knew that the following year both would tumble and be mediocre? Yet, people bash IU’s soft schedule in the Big 10. They play who they are scheduled against in the conference. Now, I can get on board with bashing their non conference schedule. They just followed the blueprint of almost the entire SEC when doing non conference schedule.

1. I think I agree but ND would be a close second. Franklin has a Michigan/OSU problem…he is the opposite of Freeman, in that he usually beats who he is supposed to whereas Freeman is good for 1-2 head scratchers annually. 2. I expected the Michigan game to be that close…because Michigan was by far the best defense they had played up to that point in the season and that still remains a fact. Michigan’s JV QB was their Achilles heel. But help is on the way.

On this, we are in agreement.

But Weiss, Willingham, and Davie all notched wins against Michigan, too. Reference to these three, Hoke, and Rich Rod really doesn’t make much of a point at all outside of demonstrating both programs have been laid low by making some serious errors in the not too distant past.

IU at home, followed by a UGA team likely starting their backup QB, James Franklin and then a shot at whomever survives the blood bath that is the top of the bracket. ND’s path is very negotiable…

Is there any data published that breaks down how much ND loses/gains by dropping their lucrative NBC Deal to join the B1G?

You’ve demonstrated with this that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Well this is the most rational and logical thing I've read today... Happy Friday the 13th everybody!

It was interesting to see how many teams in the state games ran a version of flexbone/wing T. Way more than I would have guessed. Also noticed more teams ran a 3-4 than anything else.

He was, I think he was more deserving to be all conference but I'm not gonna go down that road and say which kid cause that's not fair nor right.

Heard some rumblings on who it will be. If true, bye bye to the flexbone.

Here is my problem with a multiplier and why I prefer a success factor: Western H.S. has 791 students and Gibson Southern has 771 students. Gibson Southern is 99-21 over the last 10 years (7-3 this year) and Western 49-54 over the last 10 years (0-10 this year). Both are public schools so is Gibson Southern's 771 students times 1.65 (or whatever multiplier you have chosen) better than Western's 791? Heritage Hills has 635 students and Owen Valley has 650 students. Heritage Hills is 91-29 over the last 10 years (14-1 this year)and Owen Valley is 44-62 over the last 10 years (0-10 this year). Both are Public Schools so is Heritage Hills 635 students times 1.65 (or whatever multiplier you have chosen) better than Owen Valley's 650. Bishop Chatard has 730 students and is 104-32 over the last 10 years (9-3 this year). You feel Bishop Chatard's 730 students are 1.65 times better than Gibson Southern's 771 and Heritage Hills 635 because of the type of students they don't have to count. However what you don't look at is with a 1.65 (or whatever multiplier you have chosen) this will also be applied to Hammond Bishop Noll's 617 Students. Because you also feel Hammond Noll 617 students should be counted as 1.65 (or whatever multiplier you have chosen) because of the students they don't have to count like Heritage Hills and Gibson Southern do. Hammond Bishop Noll is 8-80 over the last 10 years (this year one of their most successful years at 3-7). This is why I don't like the multiplier, the multiplier will be applied to ALL Private/Parochial schools equally and they are not ALL equally as successful just like not ALL Public schools are equally successful or not successful. At least the success factor looks towards the success of every school and bumps up the successful schools. No the success factor is not perfect and needs tweaks to make it better. You can't convince me in any way that a multiplier is needed when you have Private Parochial schools like Hammond Noll. You only look at the successful Private / Parochial schools because it fits your narrative.

Day got the dreaded vote of confidence from Bjork today… His advice? ”We have to approach things a little differently on our path to the goal of winning a championship.” Translation: “We have to realize that winning the Michigan game is just one small part of the process and not the end all be all.” Soft.

Wayne added Lowell Added and this gem, I LOVE IT

That's your opinion. Notre Dame is independent because they wish to be independent. There may come a time when they need to join a conference, but that time hasn't come yet. In fact, the Irish do have some conference ties, basketball in the ACC and hockey in the Big 18.

Another data point: Mike Kirschner coached at both places (BD from 2007-2017) and Warren from 2021-2024. Between 2010-2017 (the decade referenced above), he had a .760 winning percentage at BD. Had a stop at Mount Vernon in the middle (2018-2020) and won at a .789 clip. He won at a .578 clip at Warren. Did the man forget how to coach?

If so, I’d be their 5th choice…first three said “no thanks.”

Congrats to all that made All-Conference. Little surprised they named CJ as the Defensive MVP (just cuz he's a junior) but like i said earlier in the year I think he's the best player in the conference next year.