State Champion vs Class Champions

[Muda69]

34 minutes ago, CoachGallogly said:

Yes and?

And that goes to show not all multi-class tournaments are superior to their single class counterpart.

Happy now?

 

[coachkj]

47 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

The single class Indiana High School Basketball tournament was a superior product to the multi-class tournament we have today.  

Opinion.

[BTF]

40 minutes ago, temptation said:

After what I have witnessed recently in international competitions, I am just sitting over here wondering why we still call our best NBA team “world champions” every June, lol.

Good point. The rest of the world has caught up. True 20-30 years ago. 

[BTF]

59 minutes ago, CoachGallogly said:

I’ve found the people that complain about such things don’t come from the good programs fan bases, they come from big school fans who are annoyed they routinely get knocked out of the tourney early while smaller schools get to make deeper runs. What they really often want is the chance to beat up some schools 1/4 of their size and make the third round of an all in tourney and thump their chests about coming in 124th in the state, rather than 17th in their class. 

Why would anyone from Carmel, Ben Davis, Warren Central, or Center Grove complain? They win all the championships. Three of them happen to be the three largest schools in the state. I mean, the three largest schools owning most of the state championships isn't just coincidence.  I'd say that at least half the teams in 6A have a legitimate gripe. Is what it is.......6A has been and always will be an unlevel playing field. 

[CoachGallogly]

40 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

And that goes to show not all multi-class tournaments are superior to their single class counterpart.

Happy now?

 

But the original posters complaint wasn’t over which system is better, only that it wasn’t somehow accurate to call smaller schools a state champ. 

31 minutes ago, BTF said:

Why would anyone from Carmel, Ben Davis, Warren Central, or Center Grove complain? They win all the championships. Three of them happen to be the three largest schools in the state. I mean, the three largest schools owning most of the state championships isn't just coincidence.  I'd say that at least half the teams in 6A have a legitimate gripe. Is what it is.......6A has been and always will be an unlevel playing field. 

The original poster wasn’t complaining about the disparity in 6A, only their frustration that smaller schools get awarded terms for their victories. 

Edited March 19, 2024 by CoachGallogly

[Muda69]

45 minutes ago, coachkj said:

Opinion.

Truth.

 

7 minutes ago, CoachGallogly said:

But the original posters complaint wasn’t over which system is better, only that it wasn’t somehow accurate to call smaller schools a state champ. 

 

Which is why a single class system can be better. No ambiguity in that system.

 

[CoachGallogly]

Impractical for football so its moot. 

[Cloudy14]

16 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Truth.

 

Which is why a single class system can be better. No ambiguity in that system.

 

Things can be true in your own mind, but are not objectively true.  You are correct that a single class system can be better to crown one individual champion, but as @CoachGallogly has suggested, its not practical for football.

[Muda69]

1 hour ago, Cloudy14 said:

Things can be true in your own mind, but are not objectively true.  You are correct that a single class system can be better to crown one individual champion, but as @CoachGallogly has suggested, its not practical for football.

The success factor has slightly opened that door, now the IHSAA just has to boldly walk through it.

 

[Rodney]

7 hours ago, BTF said:

 "What if" Merrillville had 3500 kids.

merriville doesnt need 3500 kids, they already have 105 future hall of famers on the roster

[BTF]

3 hours ago, Rodney said:

merriville doesnt need 3500 kids, they already have 105 future hall of famers on the roster

How come you left Merrillville for Gibson Southern?

[Impartial_Observer]

I liken this to people wanting a national football tournament, because HS kids need to be playing an NFL length season I guess. The goal of every HS team is to win a state championship. They’ve done that when they won their class, there’s nothing more to play for. The goal has been achieved. Now we’re going to have another six team bracket so a couple of over top idiot dads can have bragging rights? I’m sure you guys will want to seed it as well, so we’d have CG v Tiny School that no one from CG has ever heard of. What the hell would entice Tiny school that no one from CG has ever heard to even want to play this game? It’s stupid. 

[Rodney]

7 hours ago, BTF said:

How come you left Merrillville for Gibson Southern?

greener pastures

 

 

4 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:

I liken this to people wanting a national football tournament, because HS kids need to be playing an NFL length season I guess. The goal of every HS team is to win a state championship. They’ve done that when they won their class, there’s nothing more to play for. The goal has been achieved. Now we’re going to have another six team bracket so a couple of over top idiot dads can have bragging rights? I’m sure you guys will want to seed it as well, so we’d have CG v Tiny School that no one from CG has ever heard of. What the hell would entice Tiny school that no one from CG has ever heard to even want to play this game? It’s stupid. 

not a longer season

 

i just want to cram 10 extra games into the season we already have is that to much to ask for

the hell is this auto merging my responses im trying to farm reputation here

[Goose Liver]

On 3/16/2024 at 11:30 AM, Donnie Baker said:

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ll say it right to your face 

Tell us how you really feel Donnie!

[Goose Liver]

5 hours ago, Rodney said:

greener pastures

 

 

not a longer season

 

i just want to cram 10 extra games into the season we already have is that to much to ask for

the hell is this auto merging my responses im trying to farm reputation here

It's like the mythical State Champions of the 30's and 40's... there are many here who would question the logic of those crowns. There are even some National champions claimed after they played maybe one OOS team. In 1928 Ashland High School of Ashland, KY won the mythical state championship and played Jefferson Senior High School in Roanoke, VA. Ashland steamrolled Jefferson and claimed a National Championship. Some of the oldtimers said it was the East against the West for the championship. Even though both teams were undefeated I'm sure there were other undefeated teams that would argue.

[CoachMack219]

1 hour ago, Goose Liver said:

It's like the mythical State Champions of the 30's and 40's... 

30's and 40's?!?! My Morton Governors were mythical state champions in the year 1965 here in Indiana. 😂 Inaugural IHSAA state tourney/ playoff was in 1973. 

[gonzoron]

55 minutes ago, CoachMack219 said:

 Inaugural IHSAA state tourney/ playoff was in 1973. 

Yes, the fall of 1973, graduating class of '74.

[Titan32]

17 hours ago, BTF said:

How come you left Merrillville for Gibson Southern?

You'll have to explain this one to me.

[BTF]

55 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

You'll have to explain this one to me.

I think Rodney might be better equipped for an answer. 

[tango]

14 hours ago, Rodney said:

greener pastures

It's mostly tillable

[gonzoron]

2 hours ago, tango said:

It's mostly tillable

What isn't tillable is toyotable

[Goose Liver]

Wordsmiths.

[BDGiant93]

The trophy says IHSAA (Year) Football Champions (Class)

Which is accurate. They are the state champion of that class. Are there some years the 6A State Champion might not be the overall State Champion/superior team? It's plausible. I think if you win your class, you earn the right to be called a State Champion.

Edited April 4, 2024 by BDGiant93

[coachkj]

19 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

The trophy says IHSAA (Year) Football Champions (Class)

Which is accurate. They are the state champion of that class. Are there some years the 6A State Champion might not be the overall State Champion/superior team? It's plausible. I think if you win your class, you earn the right to be called a State Champion.

Exactly.  As a BD Giant does it offend you that smaller schools call themselves State Champions in years you've won the 6A championship?  I know it doesn't because no one does.  It would be stupid an petty and stupid.  Who cares?  Such a dumb topic.

[Titan32]

Been here a long time....this thread is top 10 for one of the dumbest conversations ever.